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Originally posted by CantSay
This thread is in counterargument to this thread:
First off, aliens that can travel from another star system to Sol would require advanced knowledge and technology (precision technology which is most difficult). This advancement maybe thousands of years ahead of us. Now consider what the human race has accomplished in the last 100 years alone. Now consider the potential of these aliens to destroy entire planets, stars and galaxies using their advanced tech if they so desired. The fact that our galaxy exists with many star systems in a relative peace with nature, from what we can see, tells us that our local part of the Universe is peaceful but how so if alien life exists out there traveling the stars? This maybe hard to envision through human goggles because it's hard for humans to imagine any place with intelligent beings not having complex and destructive human behaviour. The relative peace in our sector of the Universe indicates that there is heavy policing happening.
Advanced aliens don't really want anything the Earth may have to offer. All resources, including gold, can be artificially manufactured. The only things they may find interesting with Earth are:
1 - a place to live and raise a family
2 - study humans and life forms on Earth
I suspect all these reasons are true for aliens currently on Earth or visiting, but the following is reason is the one that most interests aliens:
3 - Policing the limited, psychologically primal and irresponsible humans from achieving advanced technology and taking to the stars with their destructive nature and infecting the relative peace.
You see, the human race is quickly reaching a convergent point that most are not aware of. This convergent point has a predicted date - by the aliens. The convergent point is when human technology will be advanced enough to take to the stars and be able to cause great destruction before the human race has evolved enough to the point where each and every human is responsible and sufficiently less primal in their psychology and behaviours. The problem is, the majority of the human race has not evolved sufficiently but the technology has. This is a huge problem.
Aliens will "invade" Earth, or intervene, when the human race is just about to take to the stars with advanced technology and knowledge. It is at this point that they will "police" us openly. Depending on their assessment of the threat level posed by humans in space and with advanced technology, they may approach us diplomatically or forcefully. Think of what the US is doing to Iran. They are policing, in their limited way and understanding, a perceived threat because they see Iranian leadership as impulsive and primal. If the aliens decide on a diplomatic moderate intervention, it will give us a chance to continue our advancement and evolution under their supervision by the signing of treaties. In either case, they will show their strength in order to appeal to the human's primal nature in a show dominance. This maybe perceived as an invasion, but really it's an act in policing as we are potential criminals. If the human race is perceived as a very sufficient threat, they will destroy civilization on this planet through a catastrophe diminishing the capacity of the human race by limiting knowledge back to the stone age, or by weeding out the less evolved permitting the most evolved to continue - an act in aiding evolution of the human race. Survivors cannot consider themselves "winners" which is a sign of insufficient evolution. The rich, who consider themselves "winners", will not be excluded from such a judgement as those who easily make and accumulate money do so in primal, unethical, non-empathetic ways (outside the common good). Given this understanding, the aliens watching us are looking for those who show advanced understanding, emotional impulse constraint, humility and empathy. They are looking for traits that support the common good as it's their greatest law - most likely. Those who naturally demonstrate these characteristics could be permitted to continue.
As I see it, the human race is not doing so well as whole (majority). Primal behaviors are still too prevalent.edit on 26-4-2012 by CantSay because: (no reason given)edit on 26-4-2012 by CantSay because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Out of curiosity could it be possible that ET is the same age we are (presence in the galaxy)? Technological advances are never uniform, even on this planet.
Is the technological level of the US thousands of years ahead of say Somalia? Honduras? The Federated States of micronesia?
Researching technologies is hit or miss. Its entirely possilbe that ET is the same age but do to their choices during R and D (hitting the science nail on the head) they reached the answers a lot faster than we did. If R and D does not work out because of a bad / misguided / unforseen result they go back to the drawing board to see what went wrong.
If R and D is advancing based on good / educated / lucky guesses, there is no real need to go back to step 1. They completed step one and moved into the step 2 phase. If ET and Humans are researching the same item, and the ET's find a result faster than Earth, i does not neccisarilly mean they are older.
As far as being more advanced than Humans go is a double edged sword. If we look at inventions / creations across all sectors here on Earth we will find the cause, the effect and a result.
Just because ET has laser weapons or warp drive does not mean they are invincinble. ET's advancedment may have completely skipped over say the discovery and application of gunpowder. If they skipped it then how can they prepare for it? If they can't prepare for it, chances are they wont have any means of protection against it.
Their body armor / space ship shields might work awesome against other laser weapons however it might be completely useless to say a rocket / missile / hand gun etc etc etc.edit on 26-4-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)edit on 26-4-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SantaClaus
If aliens are policing us, they have probably lost themselves within the cosmos.
There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in our universe (in our estimation).
There are hundreds of billions of stars in your average galaxy.
There are planetary systems located around almost all of these stars.
What is the most basic necessity of life? My limited understanding says a planet in the "goldilocks zone."
Not too hot, not too cold.
We have a googolplex of planets that could potentially suit life.
And the aliens are looking at humanity? I think you overestimate our importance. Unless this race of aliens is unbelievably virile and suited for space-travel, I don't think they could possibly "police" the amount of life happening in our verse right now. I have trouble believing, no matter how evolved, that a population would be naturally allowed to grow that large without facing cataclysm at some point.
Originally posted by CitizenNum287119327
they wont invade us.
humans will destroy themselves before they get here.
they will leave the earth empty for 1000's of years
until our toxic left-overs have been disolved by nature.
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
It is chilling to see such religious faith being demonstrated for supposed extraterrestrials. In the past twenty years, an outsider looking in on the subject has observed the following.
1. The theory of evolution being taught as man evolving from apes to a huge push,in all forms of popular media, to an evolution whereby ETs directly intervened in our 'evolutionary' past by genetic modification. CREATION.
2. A huge push in the new age movement and 'ufology' culture stating that ETs will be our SAVIOURS.
3. Now you are fully demonstrating the very next principal, JUDGEMENT. There is no difference to the new age and occult beliefs that state that those 'not yet ready to evolve or ascend' must be expunged from society for the benefit of those ready to 'evolve'.
CREATION, SAVIOUR, JUDGEMENT.
I submit to you that you have been given a very deceptive new form of 'religion' which DENIES GOD, yet in it all, you cannot fathom that those responsible for the indoctrination simply changed your natural thirst for the living waters of Jesus to bitter waters of demons. Look at the above - they most likely represent your belief system. You could not so willingly accept 'judgements' from supposed aliens if you didnt intrinsically believe the first two points. What is the whole point of brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda? To change beliefs. Where are beliefs located? In the mind. This is proof positive that the belief in aliens has been made a 'religion' to you. Your words clearly demonstrate the complete effectiveness of a powerful and controlled media, and the fact that it has CONVINCED you of all of the above. Why does scripture state that most will perish? Because they loved the lies more than truth. Your words clearly demonstrate that you have accepted a 'Christian' gospel but without God and the true Saviour Christ Jesus. And because of that, you cannot understand the times in which we live.
'Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?"
Originally posted by TheMindWar
There are other reasons why we maybe invaded. For example or complete disregard for other species, or technology and missuse of it. It boils down to the "day the earth stood still" scenario.
In addition to that one would imagine many aliens have to eat and harvest life for food.
If there are multiple species out there it may stand to reason that they have some kind of space council. A group of aliens who protect specific areas of the cosmos. Who knows.
But I do know one thing, I havr had two unbelievably weird experiences in my life where i have met two species. One experience was kinda of really cool and weird the other bloody terrifying where I litterally thought I was going to die.
I swear on my life, these 2 experiences have made me understand that they are definately here 100%.