The Most Effective Lie Ever Told. The Satanic Agenda Revealed. Urgent Message to All.

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From Chapter 3 of the Lamentations of Jeremiah the Prophet:

I AM the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.

He hath led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.

Surely against me is he turned; he turneth his hand against me all the day.

My flesh and my skin hath he made old; he hath broken my bones.

He hath builded against me, and compassed me with gall and travail.

He hath set me in dark places, as they that be dead of old.

He hath hedged me about, that I cannot get out: he hath made my chain heavy.

Also when I cry and shout, he shutteth out my prayer.

He hath inclosed my ways with hewn stone, he hath made my paths crooked.

He was unto me as a bear lying in wait, and as a lion in secret places.

He hath turned aside my ways, and pulled me in pieces: he hath made me desolate.

He hath bent his bow, and set me as a mark for the arrow.

He hath caused the arrows of his quiver to enter into my reins.

I was a derision to all my people; and their song all the day.

He hath filled me with bitterness, he hath made me drunken with wormwood.

He hath also broken my teeth with gravel stones, he hath covered me with ashes.

And thou hast removed my soul far off from peace: I forgat prosperity.

And I said, My strength and my hope is perished from the LORD:

Remembering mine affliction and my misery, the wormwood and the gall.

My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.

This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.

It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.

The LORD is my portion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him.

The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeketh him.

It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

It is good for a man that he bear the yoke in his youth.

He sitteth alone and keepeth silence, because he hath borne it upon him.

He putteth his mouth in the dust; if so be there may be hope.

He giveth his cheek to him that smiteth him: he is filled full with reproach.

For the LORD will not cast off for ever:

But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.

For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.

To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth.

To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High,

To subvert a man in his cause, the LORD approveth not.

Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the LORD.

Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens.

We have transgressed and have rebelled: thou hast not pardoned.

Thou hast covered with anger, and persecuted us: thou hast slain, thou hast not pitied.

Thou hast covered thyself with a cloud, that our prayer should not pass through.

Thou hast made us as the offscouring and refuse in the midst of the people.

All our enemies have opened their mouths against us.

Fear and a snare is come upon us, desolation and destruction.

Mine eye runneth down with rivers of water for the destruction of the daughter of my people.

Mine eye trickleth down, and ceaseth not, without any intermission.

Till the LORD look down, and behold from heaven.

Mine eye affecteth mine heart because of all the daughters of my city.

Mine enemies chased me sore, like a bird, without cause.

They have cut off my life in the dungeon, and cast a stone upon me.

Waters flowed over mine head; then I said, I am cut off.

I called upon thy name, O LORD, out of the low dungeon.

Thou hast heard my voice: hide not thine ear at my breathing, at my cry.

Thou drewest near in the day that I called upon thee: thou saidst, Fear not.

O LORD, thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul; thou hast redeemed my life.

O LORD, thou hast seen my wrong: judge thou my cause.

Thou hast seen all their vengeance and all their imaginations against me.

Thou hast heard their reproach, O LORD, and all their imaginations against me;

The lips of those that rose up against me, and their device against me all the day.

Behold their sitting down, and their rising up; I am their musick.

Render unto them a recompence, O LORD, according to the work of their hands.

Give them sorrow of heart, thy curse unto them.

Persecute and destroy them in anger from under the heavens of the LORD.

Originally posted by Hecate666
Can someone explain how an omnipotent and omniscient being can not have foreseen that one of only two of its creations would fall for the apple trick?
Does your god know or doesn't he?
If he did, he can't blame eve, as he could have foreseen what she would be doing and if he didn't, he is not able to know everything and hence he/she/it is fallible.

I am serious, could a christian elaborate please?

Oh yes and I don't want to hear that it was a test, as explained above it would have been a cruel joke to play on an innocent being with no life experience.

Sorry it's all complete cotswallop.

"Satan" is a mental condition hard-wired into our neurological circuitry. It is the human condition which causes us to doubt ourselves, judge others, among other things. But we can override the circuit with acceptance. We were made the way we were made for a reason, so it is not "bad" that we have this condition. It is just how the universe expresses itself. Who are we to judge that? All things are acceptable. That is all that matters here. That is the topic. That is the solution which alone has the power to usher in lasting peace.

reply to post by smithjustinb


No, and that thought is a dangerous one.

I'm going to paint a picture here, and it's going to be pretty brutal, but I feel the need to do it -

Do you have a wife? Or kids?

Would you idollay stand by while a gang of thieves brutally raped, tortured, and murdered them in front of you?

I am sorry for having to use such an extreme and graphic example, but I think you need to hear this.

Imagine the look of horror as a group of evil thugs violate your closest loved ones, and brutally butcher them

Would you accept them?

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Hecate666

 

He wanted it to happen.

We'd be boring if he didnt allow evil into our world,

This life is mainly just a test to decide what sort of real life (after life) we truly want.

Did he come up with that excuse or his human followers?
I stress again, that if he is all knowing, he would have known the outcome. You are saying that he had planned all along to throw adam and eve out and subject them to the cruelty known on earth today.
Why did he not just chuck them out?
Why did he have to disguise it as a 'test' [the old excuse]?
He must have found pleasure in seeing eve play right into his trap. That worries me as it is not loving, kind or clever in any which way.

Whilst I believe the bible to be full of metaphors, I know why you try and excuse him. I personally think that Satan [the biblical one] is one heck of a decent guy.
He sees these puny humans being patronised and told what to do and what not to do all day long, so he offers them the 'red pill'.
You'll eat that apple and you'll see that all is not as perfect as you have made to believe.
Good on eve to choose the truth and knowledge.
It was Satan who liberated humans and now you followers turn the argument by saying 'god planned it all along'.
It doesn't make sense at all.
You can't believe in stories that do not make sense.
And your god can't get away with a weak excuse to cover up his/its shortcomings.

Did this really teach humans to TRUST in god?
A god that tricks you left right and centre?
I rather choose the freedom fighter who wants us to really stand on our own two feet.

You are listening to the wrong side's propaganda.

Please christians, there are so many more stories about god's hilarious tests and tricks [Abraham, kill your son...nah only joking, 'twas only a test, Cain and Abel, give me the food I like...just kidding, I don't eat just anything, anyway, I was only testing you.
Here humans is the most interesting tree ever in the world ever and I'll leave it standing just here in your reach, can you see this tempting brilliant tree Just don't try anything stupid, even though I know you have never learned consequences and have no bad bone in your body I'll be damned if I can't get you to disobey...as a test of course etc etc etc] that it should really make you think who is the good guy here.
The one that wants you to enjoy life with everything that it brings, wants you to explore your world and ask questions, wants you to be free from big bro...or the 'Testmaster extraordinaire'?

The message should be clear.

reply to post by Hecate666


You've got 666 in your name and you claim satan is a "good guy" yet you also dont believe in him?

Why should anyone listen to anything you're saying unless they're completely deceived and believing in a world of lies?

I can't fathom what goes on in some peoples heads while posting here......

Actually, I can,

They are so deceived it seems normal to say things like this to them,

I can only shake my head in disbelief from the sidelines, and hope and pray I talk some sense into some of you reading this......

reply to post by Iason321


Not sure how that was in support of or against my message in the OP.

What I got out of that was the affliction of man is caused by not revering God. I agree. But, what else has God given us beside the creation? What other evidence do we have that God exists? What other way is their to praise God except by celebrating our own existence? What other way is their to serve God other than serve the creation? What other way do we have to see God except how God expressed itself through the creation? What else has God done except make us? Nothing. So revere God by accepting that which has been made for us. Respect God by resepecting that which is. See God by appreciating the creation. Serve God by serving the Earth. Praise God by thanking God for having made this.

Acceptance is the key to an abundance of life.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

No, and that thought is a dangerous one.

I'm going to paint a picture here, and it's going to be pretty brutal, but I feel the need to do it -

Do you have a wife? Or kids?

Would you idollay stand by while a gang of thieves brutally raped, tortured, and murdered them in front of you?

I am sorry for having to use such an extreme and graphic example, but I think you need to hear this.

Imagine the look of horror as a group of evil thugs violate your closest loved ones, and brutally butcher them

Would you accept them?

I'm going to make myself very clear. The goal of acceptance and the only thing that it is going to bring about and that if allowed, will bring about, is peace. Of course I would accept them. Initially, I would feel pain, but until I forgave them and accepted them, that pain would be mine to bear and mine alone and therefore, my mind would be in turmoil. Peace would not exist for me. This is about peace. Real peace. The kind of peace that is at the right hand of God, so to speak. The kind of peace, when had, your place in creation is known and God is seen shining abundantly through its creation.

Of course I would accept them. Otherwise, I would suffer.

I don't believe in "Satan". I think mankind is capable of every evil imaginable. We need no help from an arbitrary figure to use as a scape goat. No supernatural activity need involve itself. That being said. I do agree with with the OP that evil can originate within us. Look at the news and there is all the proof anyone might need as to how evil we can be. But I would be hard put to assign evil as "mental illness". Let us try not to create more division between people by targeting out a certain group of people. Mental people are not well because they suffer from a disease like schizophrenia, dementia, or Alzheimer.

My Grandfather was Catholic. He told me that the the Adam and Eve story is much, much more esoteric, forbidden way. When he was alive he was one of my sound boards when I started rambling on about God, the meaning of life, etc etc (Poor Man) He told be you cannot always approach the bible at face value. He said the apple is about desire that can become an immoral evil. Some of it is quite beautiful. But I digress...how human of me.

The apple is the symbol of sexual desire. Sexual, carnal desire - and Adam and Eve were compelled to "eat the apple" have sex. Then, with this new-found sexual awareness, they felt the need to clothe themselves. When God found out he was angry as this was not his plan for Eden. So, even though he threatened to kill them earlier, he was lenient and just booted them out on their butts. They wandered off to the "Land of Nod", having sex as often as they can along the way, I'm sure.

Sorry my post doubled up. So I guess I'll ask a couple of clarifying questions.

Could you sum up in two or three sentences what the greatest lie ever told was?

I'm putting doubt aside, if there is a Satanic Agenda, what do you see occurring that indicates it?

reply to post by smithjustinb


Dude you needa lay off whatever you've been taking,

LOL!

I find it pretty awesome though that you have that much restraint and love in you,

Unfortunately the beast still resides in me and I'd unleash it in a second if someone attacked my family......

Sorry for the brutal depiction I used, it was just the most evil thing I could think of.....

I suppose if everyone on earth thought like you, we wouldn't have the killers and the evil in the first place....

it's just wishful thinking though man, the world will never be like that.

At least not this world anyways......

Originally posted by Hecate666

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Hecate666

 

He wanted it to happen.

We'd be boring if he didnt allow evil into our world,

This life is mainly just a test to decide what sort of real life (after life) we truly want.

Did he come up with that excuse or his human followers?
I stress again, that if he is all knowing, he would have known the outcome. You are saying that he had planned all along to throw adam and eve out and subject them to the cruelty known on earth today.
Why did he not just chuck them out?
Why did he have to disguise it as a 'test' [the old excuse]?
He must have found pleasure in seeing eve play right into his trap. That worries me as it is not loving, kind or clever in any which way.

Whilst I believe the bible to be full of metaphors, I know why you try and excuse him. I personally think that Satan [the biblical one] is one heck of a decent guy.
He sees these puny humans being patronised and told what to do and what not to do all day long, so he offers them the 'red pill'.
You'll eat that apple and you'll see that all is not as perfect as you have made to believe.
Good on eve to choose the truth and knowledge.
It was Satan who liberated humans and now you followers turn the argument by saying 'god planned it all along'.
It doesn't make sense at all.
You can't believe in stories that do not make sense.
And your god can't get away with a weak excuse to cover up his/its shortcomings.

Did this really teach humans to TRUST in god?
A god that tricks you left right and centre?
I rather choose the freedom fighter who wants us to really stand on our own two feet.

You are listening to the wrong side's propaganda.

Please christians, there are so many more stories about god's hilarious tests and tricks [Abraham, kill your son...nah only joking, 'twas only a test, Cain and Abel, give me the food I like...just kidding, I don't eat just anything, anyway, I was only testing you.
Here humans is the most interesting tree ever in the world ever and I'll leave it standing just here in your reach, can you see this tempting brilliant tree Just don't try anything stupid, even though I know you have never learned consequences and have no bad bone in your body I'll be damned if I can't get you to disobey...as a test of course etc etc etc] that it should really make you think who is the good guy here.
The one that wants you to enjoy life with everything that it brings, wants you to explore your world and ask questions, wants you to be free from big bro...or the 'Testmaster extraordinaire'?

The message should be clear.

Let's refer to God as "the circumstances which led to the emergence of life". Let's both acknowledge that the Bible is full of metaphors and that things didn't happen exactly like they were portrayed. Satan is a metaphor pointing to that which co-emerged with human beings as the part of the human being that opposes the circumstances and the result of the emergence of life. Satan is the human tendency to question our existence and doubt our worth. Satan is the part of us that argues against truth to satisfy our own egotistical interpretation of what we WANT the truth to be. Thus Satan was dubbed, "the deceiver". Acceptance is the key to end our inner Satan.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Hecate666

 

You've got 666 in your name and you claim satan is a "good guy" yet you also dont believe in him?

Why should anyone listen to anything you're saying unless they're completely deceived and believing in a world of lies?

I can't fathom what goes on in some peoples heads while posting here......

Actually, I can,

They are so deceived it seems normal to say things like this to them,

I can only shake my head in disbelief from the sidelines, and hope and pray I talk some sense into some of you reading this......

Yes I have his name in my title and don't believe in him, so what? I am sympathising with the biblical version of Satan. Is that not a good reason for me to carry his name?
I also couldn't care less if christians want to 'listen' to what I have to say, because you wouldn't listen to me if I was called my own name.
I am happy with what I believe [or not] and as long as religions keep contradicting themselves and churn out unbelievable scenarios, how do you expect me as a fully thinking human to accept them as truths?
I can't.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

Dude you needa lay off whatever you've been taking,

LOL!

I find it pretty awesome though that you have that much restraint and love in you,

Acceptance is hard. Although I know forgiveness and acceptance would be what it would take to overcome my suffering from the event, it would take a lot for me to do it.

Unfortunately the beast still resides in me and I'd unleash it in a second if someone attacked my family......

Shoot, I would too. But I would also find peace after I exacted my revenge by accepting the eventual outcome of the whole situation and my actions therein.

I suppose if everyone on earth thought like you, we wouldn't have the killers and the evil in the first place....

We would have killers, but they wouldn't be seen as "evil". We would not fear them.

it's just wishful thinking though man, the world will never be like that.

At least not this world anyways......

The Bible that you've come here to support says it will, and I agree. Remember how the Bible is written. Satan came first, then evil followed, and cain was jealous and killed his brother. Then there was greed. Then tons of other human afflictions. They all sequentially began with the knowledge of good and evil.

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I am dumbfounded by people who don't believe in religion that come to the religion forums lol. Yeah I know your free to do what you want.

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
Sorry my post doubled up. So I guess I'll ask a couple of clarifying questions.

Could you sum up in two or three sentences what the greatest lie ever told was?

The greatest lie ever told was that good and evil are anything but relative falsehoods. We believed the lie and began living a lie. In living a lie, you can't see the truth and God is the truth. When I say God, I am referring to the circumstances of the universe which led to the emergence of life. You can interpret that however you want. So we judge what is right and wrong and fail to accept what is. By accepting what is, you have peace.

reply to post by smithjustinb


I don't really get what you are saying, God wouldn't punish ignorant people just like he wouldn't punish someone who never knew God. It's said he loves us all, I'm starting to believe there is no heaven or hell that we go to. He loves us all so he just reincarnates us over and over.

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

The apple is the symbol of sexual desire.

There was no apple. There was "the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil". That was a symbol of the human tendency towards differentiation between good and evil. Sexual desire is a good thing. Without it, we wouldn't be here.

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

I don't really get what you are saying, God wouldn't punish ignorant people just like he wouldn't punish someone who never knew God. It's said he loves us all, I'm starting to believe there is no heaven or hell that we go to. He loves us all so he just reincarnates us over and over.

We are not punished. There is nothing wrong with our condition. It is perfectly acceptable. This condition was made for us. Everything that exists was made for us. We have no right to judge. Acceptance is the key to life and to peace.

reply to post by smithjustinb


The message your preaching is like a combination of Jesus' teaching from the NT combined with some zen buddhism,

I like it.

I do believe Jesus and his disciples were involved with buddhists and essenes and they helped shape the message of the Bible ..... though I don't believe he survived crucifixion and lived with them afterward....

All is good, all is perfect, everything is exactly how it should be right now.

Be present, be thankful, enjoy being, Be.

Ahhhh, i feel waves of relaxation from meditating on these thoughts

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

The message your preaching is like a combination of Jesus' teaching from the NT combined with some zen buddhism,

I like it.

The Dalai Lama said, "If science ever discovers something that contradicts Buddhist belief, Buddhism will have to change." That's wisdom right there.

I'm not Buddhist though. I don't think I fall under any religious category. I do believe in God, and I believe that Jesus could have existed, and probably did. The same goes for Muhammad. But I only go as far as acknowledging them. The real work is a road to peace, love, and wisdom. No dogma required. I honestly don't believe that Jesus cares if you believe he existed or not. Your actions and perceptions are what you are accountable for.

All is good, all is perfect, everything is exactly how it should be right now.

Be present, be thankful, enjoy being, Be.

Ahhhh, i feel waves of relaxation from meditating on these thoughts

All is perfect. But what is perfect? Perfection is "this" because there is nothing else. Mistakes are made, but they are part of the perfection. We have no right to judge the meaning of perfect. Its meaning is something we don't understand. But since this is what was made for us, then it can be called perfect.