We may have just got screwed!!!!!!!

reply to post by whyamIhere


Taking any suburb in america, find the same economic groups that you will find in the "overrun" area, crime statistics will be the same.

Crime is a function of economics not race.

Ive lived in a boarder state all my life, near the boarder at times, and I don't speak Spanish either , and no im not seeming to have as big a problem with it as AZ.

But again brown people don't scare me and Ive never had a job at risk of being taken by an illegal...

fear of your fellow humans is how TPTB will initiate all of these gestop tactics, Fear of Muslims, Fear of Mexicans, fear of Blacks, get everyone hating each other.

I just had a vision: I saw old Soviet checkpoints on the roadways, in the airports, bus and train stations. The only words I could make out were... Give Me Your Papers

Stay Tune.... Coming to an American City near you....

Originally posted by whyamIhere
Some of you are blowing this way out of proportion.

We have our troops closing down borders all over the world.

My City is up to our arse in illegal's. I have compassion for these people.

If I was born in Mexico or some other third world country, I would come here to.

Besides, for the most part Cops can do anything they want.

Until your hometown is overrun. I don't expect you to understand.

I do not want "Gestapo Tactics" used. But there has to be some middle ground.

I believe the Supreme's just might uphold the Arizona Law.

Either way, something must be done at least on our Southern Border.

Finally a comment by someone who has direct knowledge and lives with the Arizona situaton firsthand.
This is a state issue. I can't believe you all are agreeing with the federal govt. stepping on any states right to pass their own laws and/or govern themselves.
Every state has the constiutional right to pass their own laws and ordainances.
each state has unique problems and needs.
For all the complaining of the "goverment" infringing on personal freedoms it seems odd that you all agree with that same goverment trying to step on Arizona.

Papers please...meanwhile, let me strip search you while your being detained.

Thanks neocons.

reply to post by ripcontrol


This is the beginning of the end...

A symptom that either everything will come to a head, or we will lose all chances of changing direction...

Step out into the streets and raise your voices, or forever hold your silence.

Originally posted by gunshooter
maybe now I'll have use for my "Proof of American Citizenship Survival Kit" it's got a registered hand gun, a bottle of Budweiser, a Van Halen CD, and a copy of the Constitution.

hope it works?

lol.... you may want to change the CD to Lynyrd Skynyrd.... Alex and Eddie are from the Netherlands.

reply to post by jburg6


Lawsuits against the government? Maybe if you earn a few hundred thousand dollars a year.

The government has an endless supply of tax payer money and armies of lawyers and all the time in the world.

Most Americans cannot afford to sue the government.

So lets hope this does not go any further than where its at...But I do have a question. What will be our papers??
Birth Certificate..We all know this can be forged, license>forged. They might try to push the American ID on all of us and that might be the icing on the cake

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form" - Declaration of Independence

Another question does the TSA Scan private jet passengers????? If not there is our huge security risk not children/elderly

Evil political figures are going to do what they have always done. Two things they should worry about...
1) They are setting up slavery for their own families in the future. They help top build this and they will reap the reward for it's construction the same as all of us. Do they think for a minute that because they sol out for money that they will be the exception when the NWO is set in place? Hardly, they who helped build it will live in it.

2) They had better worry about the U.S. population. So highly out numbered that even with all of their toys and crowd control, they don't have a truck with an RF Plate on top of it that will stop 300+ million people who are pissed.
They are constantly poking a bear who has been in slumber for quite awhile. When the bear awakens from being bothered in his slumber he will not treat those kindly who exploited attacking him while he slept.

The bear is coming out of it's sleep and nothing the government says or does will stop it once it is awake.

Unless two other bears of equal or greater m ight (China and Russia) step in,..then yes, we are screwed. Which is probably why they WILL attack Iran, because the other two will join in and destroy America....their only REAL problem.

We are actually going to get screwed more than you think, because this attack on Iran WILL happen, and the outcome will be RUSSIA/CHINA/IRAN/ other minority muslim countries vs. America/Israel and Canada and Mexico.
Canada and Mexico will be no real help militarily and Canada may even back out of it to save face. Mexico will be slaughtered.

We already have to show our papers on demand.

License, Registration and proof of insurance.

Why is Immigration the only law we seem to ignore?

You and I cannot choose what laws we follow.

Also, there is a huge list of folks trying to enter the Country legally.

Is it fair to these people? What message does it send?

Now all we need is a big phat disaster / emergency / terror attack / dollar crash and Check mate--- Police state made to order. Death by a thousand cuts. All part of the NWO agenda. If this Admin is re elected we wll see an even harder targeting of our gun rights.

It's all going to happen, may as well get your mind wrapped around it and act accordingly. Best thing a person can do right now is call and write your state Reps. over and over again. only a full public outrage on the fax and phone lines in an election year can stop this train.

P:

reply to post by ripcontrol


What about the factual problem that your state cannot have so many immigrants because we are talking about a large number that will only grow higher.
You don't want to pay more taxes because socialism i so BAD. You do want healthcare even though, but just not the Obamacare.
You guys are so divided its beginning to look like the witch trials where anything could be consider as evil.

The crimerate demands more surveilance because again witouth funding you can't have a sufficient police force. But both options are possible to look at as a Big Brother case even though they arent.

They were wrong in 1989 and 1999. Why not wonder how these conspiracy theories has been almost unchanged for every generation but always just as close to the point where it turns.

If your country turns on you. Who the hell is going to do the job. You are americans. Nobody has more patriotism. Even when everything looked bleak common Americans call it the best democracy in the world. (Offcource some say its the best you can buy)

Seriously. Everything you believe is conspiracy can also be the opposite. So ask yourself why you always choose the bad one.

Why?

The Root of the problem is the unsecure borders not Joe the tax paying American. The Gov. has side stepped the real problem for "Votes" and left our Arses hanging in the wind. Now it is an excuse to subject everyone to a stop search. The fact that this Admin is sueing against every state that tries to fix the real problem is the porker TELL here. One bill after another in the last 12 months is being pushed through, all of wich take away a right of some sort.

Charelton Heston comes to mind " It's a mad house"

reply to post by ripcontrol


Interesting thread. I'm curious to see where this will go.

Showing the papers thing doesn't concern me too much, and the only reason it doesn't is because as whyamIhere mentioned, we already have to show license, registration, and proof of insurance...it's the ability to detain someone while they verify our citizenship that bothers me.

With everything going on everywhere (and not just weather) it's amazing to me how little people seem concerned about things going on in the world right now. I've talked to a few people who immediately change the subject, and even spoke to several people at a party about a week ago that actually said "Well, if things go down I just would rather die than deal with anything."

That just shocked me. Where is the will to survive, or to at least the will to learn about things that could effect you and the blue dot you live on?

Irony:

inamerica.blogs.cnn.com...

(CNN) - Net Mexican immigration to the United States has slowed to a standstill, according to a report released Monday.

The number of immigrants coming from Mexico to the United States has steeply declined while the number of Mexicans leaving the United States has increased sharply, the Pew Hispanic Center said.

"These developments represent a notable reversal of the historic pattern of Mexican immigration to the U.S., which has risen dramatically over the past four decades," the center's report says.

Originally posted by Bigfoot12714
I don't usually try to start arguments but I really hope you're wrong about this...

So does it mean they can stop anyone or just people coming into the country?

edit on 25-4-2012 by Bigfoot12714 because: (no reason given)

I am sure they are going to use it to stop anyone.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ripcontrol

 

Has it ever occurred to you that if the federal government had done it's job in the first place, detaining and returning illegal immigrants, then states like Arizona would never had to write these laws that are in question now.

Just food for thought.

Oh I understand, but do you really think it will just stop with illegals? I am almost certain they will use this to pull over anyone they wish and snoop around. They are using illegal immigration to further erode our rights.


reply to post by jacktorrance


The understanding is very simple. People for decades are being programmed to LISTEN AND OBEY any authority figure. Do not resist, do not question - just do what you are told.

reply to post by ripcontrol


I just got off work and have looked around the web but can't seem to find anything, do you or anyone know if this passed or not?

Too bad I don't recognize DHS's authority.

Its gonna hurt if they pull me over.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Papers please...meanwhile, let me strip search you while your being detained.

Thanks neocons.

The Fed never did their job. Now because of Arizona they are lashing back....Thanks liberals.

if the Supreme Court sides with the State of Arizona, I can see many other states (especially those in the South) adopting similar measures.

About the only state left that will be safe for illegals will be California.

Mitt Romney has said that his idea is to make the environment in the USA "so toxic for illegals that they will self deport", looks like he's about to get a major step towards this goal.