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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 08:01 AM
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Christ: A Conscious Energy, the Intuition of God, that every human being can find within himself, unless of course he is a spiritless reptilian.

Jesus: A Jewish guy from 2,000 years ago who appears to have been able to Master that Energy/Consciousness to some debatable degree.

Summary: Substitute "Christ" for "Jesus" and you might be on to something.

Keep looking up in the sky for the Jewish guy, and let me know how that's going in a hundred million years or so.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by BULLETINYOURHEAD
it quite simple at the end of the day the only thing you christians have is hope. religion is bought and sold and up till this day still has not delivered, i wish you patience will you wait


Nope....Sorry.....I have FAITH in the promise of Jesus Christ being my Lord and Savior and that promise came from the very God that created us and everything around us. Denying something is not real does not mean it does not exist.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Please, read the following link concerning the temple of God. it is very important to understand what the word of God says concerning this. It is God's word not mine. If you have an issue with what is in the bible and it is contrary to any tradition you have learned, then pray about it and accept the word of God. Do not be deceived! Please!

castmycrown.blogspot.com...



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 09:06 AM
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you know i was gonna let your last two posts slide, after reading and checking out your blog.
but the more i thought about it, the more it bothered me. i even had a very restless night sleep.
and your posts were the first thing on my mind.

first let me say that you in no way answered my question about Dan 9 27. you instead showed a bunch of math problems, about trying to prove the precision and truth of prophecy. which by the way if you are truly born again
you don't need. remember the spirit leads you, not man, by saying this i mean date setters.

so my question still stands, how can the antichrist stop the priests preforming animal sacrifice or stand in a wing of the temple and declare himself god, if the third temple is not built?

in your answer the temple was already gone for, 1271 years, before the domes were built.
that being the case how could daniel be talking about a rock under some roof.and yes i know daniel was writing about the future, i think you and your web sites are looking at wrong man made ideas.
and here are three more questions.

first i'll post the verse. i like to use three version of the bible. the kjv, the nasb, and the niv. the last two because
they are easier to read without the, thee's and thou's.

this from the nasb



Daniel 9:27 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of [a]abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who [c]makes desolate

Footnotes:
(A) Daniel 9:27 Or detestable things
(B) Daniel 9:27 Or causes horror
( C) Daniel 9:27 Or causes horror


how can a rock stop priests from making animal sacrifices?
how can a rock make a covenant with any one?
how can a rock declare itself to be a god?
answer, it can't.

and i know your probably gonna come back with the symbolism argument. well i know that God used both literal and figurative wording. this is a verse for me and many others that is to be taken literally.

and just one more question, how do you explain why many jewish people believe that a third temple is to be built?

now that is out of the way, to what really bothered me about your posts. this might sting a little bit but here it is.
one of the very first things i see on your blog are these links,

Perry Stone: www.voiceofevangelism.org...
Jack Van Impe: www.jvim.com...
Ellis Skolfield: www.ellisskolfield.com...
www.BeholdTheBeast.com...

the first three are hucksters all.

perry stone, i use to watch perry back in the late ninties, until i realized he was on the kingdom is coming at the turn of the century millennium kick. and when that didn't happen he moved on to something else.
he also has more stuff that's made in china for sale than walmart does.

jack vanimpe, well what can i say, he seems so full of himself and the pride he exhibits at being able to recite memorized scripture at ninety miles a hour. he to has a bountiful collection of things to sell.

ellis skolfield, well they offer some free downloads, but something tells me that some where along the way they also try to get into your back pocket.

and i take the "behold the beast site" as the place where you got your math problems from, as your post seem to echo theirs.

no i have no tolerance, for those who would make money or fame off the word of God. or for those who would put their name on a church, ministries, or even on their own version of the bible before God. these are false preachers, you know the ones paul talked about. they may preach Jesus but their motives are far from him. and i prefer my preachers not to be adulterated by such things, and more humble.

and if you want, you can call me a dispensationalist, maybe i am but i will tell you this, you can not deny that
there is a seven year period, that is written about in both a literal and figurative wording. and i for one think that
Dan 9 27 is literal wording.

and remember Jesus said that no man knows not even the son, only the father.

oh and for those who believe in a pretrib rapture, the only rapture that happens is on the day of Jesus return.
think about it. if all the christians are gone, how can the antichrist persecute them, or all of the other things that are said about what happens to them during the antichrist reign.

well i've said my peace, and will leave at that.

and i'm sorry for the last half of this post being in bold type, i tried to fix it and it would not change back.
i guess i clicked on something and don't know what it is.





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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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and when he returns then what? Hes not going save your helpless, lazy ass anyways, you need to save yourself



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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So, here's my problem with things like this.

Were you present when he said this? You weren't? Were you when the Bible was written many years later? No? How about when this now obsolete language the Bible was written in was translated to something else? How about when the whole thing was re-written many, many times, selectively via heads of Church (who at the time ruled ALL and anybody who said otherwise was killed)? What about accounting for the nature of allegory to protect those under threat of death due to heresy at the time? How about when books of the Bible were removed for whatever reason? And then, how about when it was translated yet again into English (the way you read it I assume) and still managed to get that this is EXACTLY what he said?

If you have never played "telephone" before, I suppose you could be forgiven for believing what you do.

This is not an attack against you or anyone here, it is simply a wake up call that if you are hanging on the words in the Bible as truth, you are missing the point. The POINT is the message, not the words.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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you have 3 items...(a) (b) (c)...listed in that box from an outside source...

but the (b) is in 'brackets' [ Ø ] which inadvertantly is a BB Code for bold type

just go back & edit your post before 4 hrs.


 



What if the tender branches of the fig tree means the Arab Spring movements rather than the May 14th 1948 & legalizing a nation called Israel... the time line would be some 62 years different

Date Setting is always in error...because prophecy is Event driven not Time driven

an Hour in Heaven is 1/24th of 1,000 years (12 hrs. light + 12 hrs. dark...average day)
because a 'day' to the divine is as 1,000 years are to man


that should be One's guideline



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how some one could put so much time and effort into trying to figure out the exact day of the rapture. I believe nothing will come of this so called rapture thingy that will supposebly save us from our own destruction. I don't believe in a god and never will. Any creator who can sit back and watch 20,000 kids die everyday, millions of kids that go hungry, and perverts who defile children, will never get my support. How could a so called creator watch his creations be victimized, belittled, murdered, etc etc. This doesnt even account for the genocide that has happened over the last 4000 years, because of a religion. Why dont all you religious fanatics, go donate food to children, plant a tree, save our mother earth, spread all your love that you waste on religion and instead use it to unite humanity and bring back the love that we all should have for each other and for our home MOTHER EARTH. I don't mean to rant and rave about religion, but it just makes me so upset to see people waste so much time on a subject like this, because that's what this is, a subject on a fairy tale. You don't need god to do some good in this world.

I'm hungry, are you?????



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by MNnativeamer
In my opinion, if anybody walked up to any of you ppl waiting for him to return, even if he had scars in the palm of his hands, you ppl would NOT believe that person 100% of the time. Guaranteed. You would think this person making these claims is crazy and u would laugh in there face so I think it's a big waste of time.
Unless a caucasian man, in a white robe floats down from the sky on a cloud, glowing, maybe the crown of thorns on his head, completely ripped like he's been working out in the gym, then you ppl will not believe that person claiming to be Jesus. Lets be honest, that situation doesn't seem like it will happen.
The Bible or whatever you read is flawed and not accurate.....BIG TIME.
Ive read the bible 4 times in my life and it just confused me a little more each time.
Reading that bible is how I came to the conclusion there is no invisible man in the sky watching out for us either.
All the people that want to quote the bible versus and act like you're a real godly person I doubt have even read that bible from start to finish every single word in it. I read it twice by the time I was in 8th grade, I had half of it memorized too but for ppl to use that book to guide their OWN lives is just crazy.


The Bible was NEVER meant to be taken literally, and until about the 1950's, it wasn't, even by the Catholic Church.

The Bible is MEANT to be taken as a loose moral and ethical guideline, and as a collection of myths and legends.

To use The Bible as a loose moral and ethical guideline for your life is absolutely fine, to use it as a literal meaning to guide your life is insane.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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I believe in god. I believe Jesus was a Messiah. I believe he was a son of god and filled with the holy spirit but I believe god had other sons also because the bible tells me so. I believe a person can get salvation through Jesus if they want to. I believe we can also ask god in person. Jesus says there is no one good but God in the bible. Jesus asks god "why have you forsaken me" on the cross. Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. The mother is of the earth. It appears to me that I could ask the earth to relay my messages to god also. Jesus didn't preach in Church "They have their Church" was his response. The God of Christians is the same god as of the Jews and appears to be the same god of the Muslims. It seems like the main god of all the religions is the same god. Maybe I am wrong about these things but this is what I believe. My church is the woods, I pray to god in the woods. I can't stand all the chemicals that people wear in church, I never have that problem with my allergies out in Nature. If I am destined to go to hell I will know others there.
I do not believe a person can sin all week and go to church and get their sins forgiven and then go back out and sin again and still make it into heaven. I am not supposed to judge these people but it doesn't mean I have to trust them. I see too many people reading what they want to see into the writings of the Bible. It is a good book but it can be interpreted many ways.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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The bible says that no one knows what day or time he will return.This is a silly thread. I guess you can discuss it because on this site everything will get dubunked even the bible LOL.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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I agree, the bible does say that nobody will know. I actually don't want to know when the world or my life will end. I'd rather spend the time with my family and try to teach them how to grow food and try to steer them in the right direction in life.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

The church really pushes this original sin idea.

Calvary’s Judgment

DEATH ENTERED THE WORLD through the fall of man. Reference here is to spiritual death which separates man from God. Through sin it came in the beginning and so has it ever come since then. Death always comes through sin. Note what Romans 5.12 tells us about this matter. First, that “sin came into the world through one man.” Adam sinned and introduced sin into the world. Second, that “death (came into the world) through sin.” Death is sin’s unchanging result. And lastly, that therefore “death spread to all men because all men sinned.” Not merely has death “spread to” or “passed upon” (Darby) all men, but literally “to all men the death did pass through” (Young’s). Death has permeated the spirit, soul and body of all men; there is no part of a human being into which it has not found its way. It is therefore imperative that man receive God’s life. The way of salvation cannot be in human reform, for “death” is irreparable. Sin must be judged before there can be rescue out of death. Exactly this is what has been provided by the salvation of the Lord Jesus.

The man who sins must die. This is announced in the Bible. No animal nor angel can suffer the penalty of sin in man’s stead. It is man’s triune nature which sins, therefore it is man who must die. Only humanity can atone for humanity. But because sin is in his humanity, man’s own death cannot atone for his sin. The Lord Jesus came and took human nature upon himself in order that He might be judged instead of humanity. Untainted by sin, His holy human nature could therefore through death atone for sinful humanity. He died a substitute, suffered all penalty of sin, and offered his life a ransom for many. Consequently, whoever believes on Him shall be judged no more (John 5.24).

When the Word became flesh He included all flesh in Himself. As the action of one man, Adam, represents the action of all mankind, so the work of one man, Christ, represents the work of all. We must see how inclusive Christ is before we can understand what redemption is. Why is it that the sin of one man, Adam, is judged to be the sin of all men both present and past? Because Adam is humanity’s head from whom all other men have come into the world. Similarly the obedience of one man, Christ, becomes the righteousness of many, both of the present and the past, inasmuch as Christ constitutes the head of a new mankind entered into by a new birth.

One incident in Hebrews 7 may illustrate this point. To prove that the priesthood of Melchizedek is greater than the priesthood of Levi, the writer reminds his readers that Abraham once offered a tithe to Melchizedek and received from him a blessing and so concluded that Abraham’s tithe offering and blessing were Levi’s. How? Because “he (Levi) was still in the loins of his ancestor (Abraham) when Melchizedek met him” (v.10). We know that Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac Jacob, and Jacob Levi. Levi was Abraham’s great grandson. When Abraham offered the tithe and received a blessing, Levi was not yet born, nor even were his father and grandfather. Yet the Bible considers Abraham’s tithe and blessing as Levi’s. Inasmuch as Abraham is lesser than Melchizedek, Levi too is of less account than Melchizedek. This incident can help us to understand why Adam’s sin is construed to be the sin of all men and why the judgment upon Christ is counted as judgment for all. It is simply because at the time Adam sinned, all men were presently in his loins. Likewise, when Christ was judged, all who will be regenerated were present in Christ. His judgment is hence taken as their judgment, and all who have believed in Christ shall no longer be judged.

Since humanity must be judged, the Son of God—even the man Jesus Christ—suffered in his spirit, soul and body on the cross for the sins of the world.

Let us first consider his physical sufferings. Man sins through his body and there enjoys the temporary pleasure of sin. The body must accordingly be the recipient of punishment. Who can fathom the physical sufferings of the Lord Jesus on the cross? Are not Christ’s sufferings in the body clearly foretold in the Messianic writings? “They have pierced my hands and feet” (Ps. 22.16). The prophet Zechariah called attention to “him whom they have pierced” (12.10). His hands, His feet, His brow, His side, His heart were all pierced by men, pierced by sinful humanity and pierced for sinful humanity. Many were His wounds and high ran His fever for, with the weight of His whole body hanging unsupported on the cross, His blood could not circulate freely. He was extremely thirsty and therefore cried out, “My tongue cleaves to my jaws”—“for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (Ps. 22.15, 69.21). The hands must be nailed, for they love to sin. The mouth must suffer, for it loves to sin. The feet must be pierced, for they love to sin. The brow must be



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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The brow must be crowned with a thorny crown, for it too loves to sin. All that the human body needed to suffer was executed upon His body. Thus He suffered physically even to death. It was within His power to escape these sufferings, yet He willingly offered His body to endure immeasurable trials and pains, never for a moment shrinking back until He knew that “all was now finished” (John 19.28). Only then did He dismiss his spirit.

Not His body only, His soul as well, suffered. The soul is the organ of self-consciousness. Before being crucified, Christ was administered wine mingled with myrrh as a sedative to alleviate pain, but He refused it as He was not willing to lose His consciousness. Human souls have fully enjoyed the pleasure of sins; accordingly in His soul Jesus would endure the pain of sins. He would rather drink the cup given Him by God than the cup which numbed consciousness.

How shameful is the punishment of the cross! It was used to execute runaway slaves. A slave had neither property nor rights. His body belonged to his master; he could therefore be punished with the most shameful cross. The Lord Jesus took the place of a slave and was crucified. Isaiah called Him “the servant”; Paul said He took the form of a slave. Yes, as a slave He came to rescue us who are subject to the lifelong bondage of sin and Satan. We are slaves to passion, temper, habits and the world. We are sold to sin. Yet He died because of our slavery and bore our entire shame.

The Bible records that the soldiers took the garments of the Lord Jesus (John 19.23). He was nearly naked when crucified. This is one of the shames of the cross. Sin takes our radiant garment away and renders us naked. Our Lord was stripped bare before Pilate and again on Calvary. How would His holy soul react to such abuse? Would it not insult the holiness of His personality and cover Him with shamefulness? Who can enter into His feeling of that tragic moment? Because every man had enjoyed the apparent glory of sin, so the Savior must endure the real shame of sin. Truly “thou (God) hast covered him with shame . . . with which thy enemies taunt, O Lord, with which they mock the footsteps of thy anointed”; He nonetheless “endured the cross, despising the shame” (Ps. 89.45,51; Heb.12.2).

No one can ever ascertain how fully the soul of the Savior suffered on the cross. We often contemplate His physical suffering but overlook the feeling of His soul. A week before the Passover He was heard to mention: “Now is my soul troubled” (John 12.27). This points to the cross. While in the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus was again heard to say: “My soul is very sorrowful, even to death” (Matt. 26.38). Were it not for these words we would hardly think his soul had suffered. Isaiah 53 mentions thrice how His soul was made an offering for sin, how His soul travailed, and how He poured out His soul to death (vv.10-12). Because Jesus bore the curse and shame of the cross, whoever believes in Him shall no more be cursed and put to shame.

His spirit too suffered immensely. The spirit is that part of man which equips him to commune with God. The Son of God was holy, blameless, unstained, separated from sinners. His spirit was united with the Holy Spirit in perfect oneness. Never did there exist a moment of disturbance and doubt, for He always had God’s presence with Him. “It is not I alone,” declared Jesus, “but I and he who sent me ... And he who sent me is with me” (John 8.16,29). For this reason He could pray, “Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. I knew that thou hearest me always” (John 11.41-42). Nevertheless, while He hung on the cross—and if there ever were a day when the Son of God desperately needed the presence of God it must be that day—He cried out, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27.46) His spirit was split asunder from God. How intensely He felt the loneliness, the desertion, the separation. The Son was still yielding, the Son was still obeying the will of the Father-God, yet the Son was forsaken: not for His Own sake, but for the sake of others.

Sin affects most deeply the spirit; consequently, holy as the Son of God was, still He had to be wrenched away from the Father because He bore the sin of others. It is true that in the countless days of eternity past “I and the Father are one” (John 10.30). Even during His days of earthly sojourn this remained true, for His humanity could not be a cause of separation from God. Sin alone could separate: even though that sin be the sin of others. Jesus suffered this spiritual separation for us in order that our spirit could return to God.

When he surveyed the death of Lazarus, Jesus might have been thinking of His Own approaching death, and so “he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled” (John 11.33). Upon announcing that He would be betrayed and die on the cross, He was again “troubled in spirit” (John 13.21). This tells us why, when He received God’s judgment on Calvary, He cried out: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” For “I think of God and I moan; I meditate, and my spirit faints” (Matt. 27.46 echoing Ps. 22.1; Ps. 77.3). He was deprived of the mighty strengthening through the Holy Spirit in His spirit (Eph. 3.16) because His spirit was torn away from the Spirit of God. Therefore He sighed, “I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax, it is melted within my breast; my strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaves to my jaws; thou dost lay me in the dust of death” (Ps. 22.14-15).

On the one side, the Holy Spirit of God deserted Him; on the other, the evil spirit of Satan mocked him. It seems apparent that Psalm 22.11-13 refers to this phase: “Be not far from me . . . there is none to help. Many bulls encompass me, strong bulls of Bashan surround me; they opened wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion.”

His spirit endured God’s desertion on the one side and resisted the evil spirit’s derision on the other. Man’s human spirit has so separated itself from God, exalted itself, and followed the evil spirit that man’s spirit must be totally broken in order that it may no longer resist God and remain allied with the enemy. The Lord Jesus became sin for us on the cross. His inner holy humanity was completely smashed as God passed judgment upon unholy humanity. Forsaken by God, Christ thus suffered sin’s bitterest pain, enduring in darkness the punitive wrath of God on sin without the support of the love of God or the light of His countenance. To be forsaken by God is the consequence of sin.

Now our sinful humanity has been judged completely because it was judged in the sinless humanity of the Lord Jesus. In Him, holy humanity has won its victory. Whatever judgment should come upon the body, soul and spirit of sinners has been poured upon Him. He is our representative. By faith we are joined to Him. His death is reckoned as our death, and His judgment as our judgment. Our spirit, soul and body have altogether been judged and penalized in Him. It would not be any different had we been punished in person. “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 8.1).

This is what He has accomplished for us and such is now our standing before God. “For he who has died is freed from sin” (Rom. 6.7 ). Positionally we already have died in the Lord Jesus; it only awaits the Holy Spirit to translate this fact into our experience. The cross is where the sinner—spirit, soul and body—is altogether judged. It is through the death and resurrection of the Lord that the Holy Spirit of God is able to impart God’s nature to us. The cross bears the sinner’s judgment, proclaims the sinner’s worthlessness, crucifies the sinner, and releases the life of the Lord Jesus. Henceforth anyone who accepts the cross shall be born anew by the Holy Spirit and receive the life of the Lord Jesus.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Looky here!

Another False Prophet.....



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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Why is it helpful for me to know when the first rapture is Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets? Because if I ovecometh by then then I will be raptured beforehand. It spiritually motivates me more than would otherwise be the case. Such should be true for all Christians just as Paul sought after the prize to be included with the overcomers.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Submarines
Looky here! Another False Prophet.....

It's a long and proud tradition. There have been these kinds of people around for over a thousand years, who think they have some special ability to "decode" the meaning of the Bible. It's seems like there are more of them around these days because the Church doesn't actively burn them at the stake anymore, and there are simply more people around in general.

This is one of those things that can only be proven true or false upon the arrival of that "Christ" person or entity or whatever (as if anybody would even agree on that), and if that happened it wouldn't make any difference. So there's no point to it other than to give somebody with mental problems something to do with their time rather than go out and kill young women. Hopefully.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Christians agree on the soon return of Christ once Israel is a nation again. Ezekiel predicted to the month and year when Israel would become a nation again. The opening post shows how Jesus said we can know when He returns. This is how we know through the proof provided in God's word. This is why you can't find anything wrong with it specifically. Praise the Lord!

Just because there are many failed prophecies by souls through the centuries should not reflect badly on God's word since His word is solid (Rev. 6.12): the great earthquake was 2010/11 (first time ever in history together 2nd most deaths and 4th greatest in magnitude), the blacksackcloth is Nov. 3, 2013 (4th since Christ) and the Tetrad 2014/15 (8th since Christ) which occur in that order as required by Rev. 6.12 right before the first trumpet of the Tribulation starts (8.7). It's a solid.

Since all of Daniel's sevens are proven to be 2,520 days each so is it the case for the 70th seven. Since the last 3 feasts pertain to His second coming, we should expect 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets which is the first raptupre (according to readiness, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) and for it finish on a significant holiday. Tisha B'Av is the 2,520th day amazingly enough. It is the day the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11. Rev. 1.7, 2 Thess. 2.4).

There are exactly 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. Tisha B'Av is the 1260th day of the Great Tribulation. The Great Trib runs from Feb. 25, 2019 to Aug. 7, 2022 (Tisha B'Av). Jesus steps down on Tisha B'Av, judges the nations for 30 days to the 1290th day, then 45 days more are needed to the 1335th day to set up Israel as the center of all nations from where Jesus will reign in the 3rd Temple for 1000 years. We are living in amazing times!

Nothing you can do to stop it from happening! It is God's will.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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For those whom seek to heed dogmatic mainstream religion's interpretation on the Messiah's life, best one do some critical thinking instead of toeing out of touch with reality misinterpretations, as our ancestors had foolishly been misled.

Either you accept the hebrew chronicals or everything else is false. The Messiah is an immortal being, and had been known long even before his advent into the first century. Being the Messiah, he knew what to expect in his mortal incarnation. He did not shirk from his responsibilities and more critically, his love for humanity.

He sought to be a son of man, to go through the trials, sufferings and pains mankind faced, so that he would be held in relevancy to all humankind and for them to relate to,, to be one of us, if not during his generation, it would be for us, this more educated generation that had been fortunate enough to have been fed with information in increments, the way progress and evolution is supposed to, rather than one gulp and then misuse of powers that rightfully should come with responsibilities on our side.

He is a man of reason and logic. He only wished he had more time to help those he shared in love with our common Creator, known by many names across time, geological barriers and space - mankind. But it was not to be, for our ancestors were not ready, and would need time to digest his true message.

He will most certainly return, BUT never, ever look forward to his return. His return would mean the end of the humanity experiment. Dinosaurs expermiment had million of years and and found wanting, thus their end. Should we be found as wanting as the dinosaurs, we mankind too will found to be wanting, and be destroyed.

Some, according the hebrew chronicles, will be saved, but many more will end this experiment and gift of life, love and free will, the way evil and corrupted anti-human Sodamm and Gommarah citizens had theirs ended. Like an artist who alone owns his work, it would be his right to destroy it if it is an eyesore, pain and grief and brings such feelings to others. So too our Creator.

So what is original sin? Thing is, does it matter? Even with free will, the first ancestors - adam and eve, had proven to our Creator how it's gonna be with mankind. Yet He did not destroy them, but gave them gifts to live, with the human experiment, in the hope that in time, time that meant nothing to our eternal Creator, that they may be wise enough to make the right choices, and not wrong choices such as following jungle laws that only ensures doom.

Animals live in jungles, and most certainly have no love AT ALL, let alone love for God or neighbour. It's only about its survival - to feed or be fed upon. We mankind are not animals, but with a higher purpose in the Universe created for us all. It would be a waste of gifts and potential if humans choose to be animals instead....



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
.....remember the spirit leads you, not man, by saying this i mean date setters.


I was not and am not setting dates. I was proving the historical facts that align with Daniel.



how can the antichrist stop the priests preforming animal sacrifice or stand in a wing of the temple and declare himself god, if the third temple is not built?


Antichrist, in the Bible, is plural. Four verses in the bible use the term antichrist; all in the books of John.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

None of the verses suggest an individual as “The” “Antichrist”. If there is to be an end time leader as some interpret, none of the antichrist verses suggest a person titled “The” “Antichrist” since there were many even back when John was writing. The verses DO state that antichrist is a SPIRIT, or THE spirit, that lives in the heart of anybody and everybody that denies that Jesus is the Christ or that denies the Father and the Son.



...i think you and your web sites are looking at wrong man made ideas.

To the contrary. I am not looking at man made ideas. I am reading my bible. I have not one time attacked you, yet you are doing that to me. You can deny the way I have discerned the prophecy in Daniel. However, the same exact biblical method aligns perfectly 13 TIMES to other prophecies. If that is not proof, I do not know what to tell you.



Daniel 9:27 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of [a]abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who [c]makes desolate

Footnotes:
(A) Daniel 9:27 Or detestable things
(B) Daniel 9:27 Or causes horror
(C) Daniel 9:27 Or causes horror

how can a rock stop priests from making animal sacrifices?
how can a rock make a covenant with any one?
how can a rock declare itself to be a god?
answer, it can't.

Alright, think about this for a minute. What if Daniel 9:27 is not talking about an Anti-Christ? Seriously, who has a an existing covenant with us? God of course. Then He can cause the sacrifices to cease. Did that not happen when Jesus Christ died on the cross? There was no need for sacrifices anymore because Jesus was and is the perfect sacrifice. The reason Jesus died was to provide the way for Jews AND Gentiles to be in Heaven. The Jews committed abominations in the sight of God so he made the temple mount desolate. What is the consumation? t is the wrath of God on the Day of the Lord! Who are the desolate? Of course they are those who denied Jesus or have no light in them! This verse is NOT talking about Satan.



and just one more question, how do you explain why many jewish people believe that a third temple is to be built?

They are blinded and have been given strong dilusion by God. They believe that Jesus was a prophet, not the Son of God. In the end, a remnant will finally accept Jesus Christ as their savior, but many will perish before that happens.

By the way, please keep the questions to below 3. It is hard to keep up with all of them and it does take time to answer them. Also, I want to thank you for being cordial. I think it is good to talk about things like this. No one has all the answers and it is important to talk through things and accept what the bible says; not what man says. As always, I will show you the same courtesy. May God find us worthy!





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