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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by NoSoup4U

Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
how do you explain the animal sacrifice in Dan 9 27....


The 70 Weeks is divided into three sections: Seven Weeks, Sixty-two Weeks and One Week. Let’s look at the 69 weeks first. To whom are they addressed and what are they about? They are to the Jews, and about Jerusalem. What does v. 24 tell us will be accomplished in those 69 sevens?

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Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
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When will they take place, and what is the time frame? We are told to start counting time after a decree is sent out to restore Jerusalem. A special decree was granted by Artaxerxes I to Nehemiah (444-445BC). This is the ONLY decree recorded in the Bible that gave the Jews permission to “restore Jerusalem and rebuild its walls,” and since Scripture relates to Scripture, we should start counting time from that biblical decree.

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7 WEEKS CONVERSION
(7 weeks) X (7 Days) = 49 days
Levitical to Solar Conversion = (49 days) X (.9857) = 48.3 days
1 year for 1 day Conversion = (48.3 years)
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62 WEEKS CONVERSION
(62 weeks) X (7 Days) = 434 days
Levitical to Solar Conversion = (434 days) X (.9857) = 427.7 days
1 year for 1 day Conversion = (427.7 years)
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Now, lets add our conversions together to get the total for the 69 weeks.
(427.7) + (48.3) = 476 years

Now take the date when the decree was made to “restore Jerusalem and rebuild its walls, which was 445 B.C. or 444 B.C. and at the 476 years to it and see where in history we will end up at.

(444 B.C.) + (476 Years) = 32 A.D. (When Jesus Christ was crucified)

What about those six points that were supposed to be fulfilled during these 70 weeks?
All but one were fulfilled at the cross. Did not Jesus

(1) finish transgression eternally
(2) make an end of sin
(3) make reconciliation for iniquity
(4) bring in everlasting righteousness
(6) anoint the Most holy with His own precious blood

Point (5), however, was left out: “Seal up vision and prophecy.”

This is where those peculiar 7 weeks and 62 weeks come in. 7 x 7 Hebrew years = 48.3 Solar years. 444BC - 48.3 is 395.7 B.C., The Book of Malachi was written. Malachi was inspired to write the last book of the Old Testament in about 396BC. The Scripture to the Jews was complete, and no more was written until the New Testament era! So Old Testament vision and prophecy were indeed “sealed up.” As one dear Rabbi lamented in about 200BC, “The Holy Spirit has departed from Israel,” and until this very day, the Jews, as a nation, have not been permitted to see any further. The Lord has blinded their eyes so they could not recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Rom 11:8, 2Co 3:15).

Praise God!

(1) finish transgression eternally
(2) make an end of sin
(3) make reconciliation for iniquity
(4) bring in everlasting righteousness
(6) anoint the Most holy with His own precious blood

(5) “Seal up vision and prophecy.”

None of these are fulfilled. Still transgressions, etc.

From the declaration to rebuild the Temple Nisan 1, 444 BC would be 7 sets of seven and 62 sets of 7 for a total 173,880 days (7 x 360 x 69) that takes us to exactly March 28, 33 AD, Monday, the 1st day of the 4 day inspection of the lamb. The 4 days were March 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesusd died on the cross April 1 Passover Friday, 33 AD Gregorian. Satan calls it April Fool's Day. No other year in the vicinity works for Jesus dying on the cross Friday Nisan 14 Passover.

Ezekiel's prophecy on his side takes us to when Israel would be a nation again exactly May, 1948. It's amazing.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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For Jesus to return at that time he'd have to already be born. Nothing is coming to earth unless it is an extraterrestrial without being born through reincarnation.

If you want to explain something please tell us how a physical deity that is a human being can walk across water. Then explain to be how this is not witchery and why hundreds of women and some men had to die during witch hunts at Salem and in England.

Those people could not walk on water. Neither could Jesus. It's time we start taking our religious faith and thinking logically for once. Rather then letting the priests of old use their deceptions that still keep us in the dark to this very day.

To show you what I mean the church knows Jesus is going to be born through reincarnation. Why do you think their is a giant statue of a pine cone at vatican sq? Yet they tell you nothing about spiritualism ie pineal gland and reincarnation.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Manunnaki
For Jesus to return at that time he'd have to already be born. Nothing is coming to earth unless it is an extraterrestrial without being born through reincarnation.

If you want to explain something please tell us how a physical deity that is a human being can walk across water. Then explain to be how this is not witchery and why hundreds of women and some men had to die during witch hunts at Salem and in England.

Those people could not walk on water. Neither could Jesus. It's time we start taking our religious faith and thinking logically for once. Rather then letting the priests of old use their deceptions that still keep us in the dark to this very day.

To show you what I mean the church knows Jesus is going to be born through reincarnation. Why do you think their is a giant statue of a pine cone at vatican sq? Yet they tell you nothing about spiritualism ie pineal gland and reincarnation.

Jesus is a grown man at the right hand of the Father. He doesn't have to be born.

Jesus created the water.

As to witches, etc, and getting killed, people do horrific things to each other. You should appreciate we are all sinners in need of the Savior Christ Jesus.

There is no priesthood in the body of Christ. There are Apostles directly chosen by God and Elders whom Apostles do appoint to work for a church locality. Scripture says all believers are a Royal Priesthood.

Rev. 17.16 in conjuction with the 1st four trumpets in Rev. 8 tell us a nuclear bomb will blow up the Vatican somewhere between Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets to the middle of the Tribulation Feb. 25, 2019. That's 1260 days in the 1st half of the Trib.


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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:13 PM
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Well, Jesus is going to come back in a different person who isn't named Jesus. He's already here somewhere, a person who isn't corruptible. So I guess my past sorta puts me out of the running for the job



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
Well, Jesus is going to come back in a different person who isn't named Jesus. He's already here somewhere, a person who isn't corruptible. So I guess my past sorta puts me out of the running for the job

That's silly. No person is sinless but the person of Jesus because Jesus is both fully man and fully God.

Those who return with Christ are His overcomers and the job of overcomers to reign with Christ over the nations for 1000 years with a rod of iron is to be the presidents, prime ministers, ministers, and mayors. It will be a theocratic kingdom in every sense of the word and non-believers will have to do what believers say.
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Of course we will do the righteous will of God conveying how He wants things done. You won't be able to fight back because we will be reigning over the nations with a rod of iron.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Look around you do you see a perfect creation? therefore the creator must not be perfect and if the creator is not perfect then his physical counterpart is not going to be. That's why we need to apply logic. btw did anyone know that Jesus killed before traveling to the east to learn spirituality?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:42 PM
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and i think that the antichrist has to stand in the temple and claim to be God. and as far as i know the temple has not been built yet, and that there will have to be something major happen for the muslims to give up the temple mound. don't get me wrong, i know God moves in mysterious ways. but until the temple is built i see no need in trying to guees at the date. which Jesus said no man knows.



The answer to this quandary is found here in 1 Corinthians 3:16


Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?


So why look for a physical temple to be built?
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Manunnaki
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Look around you do you see a perfect creation? therefore the creator must not be perfect and if the creator is not perfect then his physical counterpart is not going to be. That's why we need to apply logic. btw did anyone know that Jesus killed before traveling to the east to learn spirituality?

How does a perfect God create? He does so by creating the most beautiful angel ever who as Lucifer, but sadly Lucifer and 1/3 of his angels rebelled. But a loving God doesn't quit there but finds His authority erected in man made in His image, giving the two first God-conscious souls to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil or the tree of life. Sadly, they too rebelled, but fortunately God had a solution. He erected authority in man through His only begotten Son who had full authority who does the perfect will of the Father always.

Though fallen angels are irredeemable, fallen man can be redeemed by giving an offering not of works, but to be saved by faith as Abel gave a proper offering. So too is it now that all who are saved give their lives to Christ for forgiveness of sins by shedding of His blood, that whosoever believes in Him is born-again, given eternal life and will be resurrected to be with God for eternity. The Holy Spirit indwells all Christians while unregenerates such as yourself have the evil spirit in their inner man. All those such as yourself will live in another domain called Hell eternally separating yourself from the love of God.

Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity. He agreed in the Triune Godhead that He would atone for sins and the 3rd Person would indwell believers. He emptied Himself of His divine attributes to be like us and to be the perfect sacrifice to pay for the sins of the world. How merciful and loving and great God is. So righteous, holy and true in His perfect creation. It is an amazing thing to appreciate how an infinitely great God is able to reconcile fallen men back to Himself whosoever is willing. This is why we eventually will rise above the angels Scriptures say. Praise the Lord! Amen.

He wants fellowship with those who love Him. Nobody knows all the amazing things God has planned for those who love Him. What an exciting adventure for eternity! But you are stuck in a dreary place the Lake of Fire to burn in Hell for eternity. How sad that you would prefer this.

The earth will be regenerated (Matt. 19.28) then it will be burnt up without the sea in 1000 years. It is at that time all God's sons and daughters will be transferred livingly into the New City and New Earth and you will be resurrected for Hell.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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what about all the humans who lived from 200,000 yrs ago through 2,000 yrs ago.

how can they be saved? or only people starting less than 2,000 yrs can be saved and join Jesus?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by BiggerPicture
what about all the humans who lived from 200,000 yrs ago through 2,000 yrs ago.

how can they be saved? or only people starting less than 2,000 yrs can be saved and join Jesus?

There were no humans, that is, men made in God's image 200,000 years ago. You are referring pre-Adamic men who will just cease to exist when they die like animals do.

About 6000 years God breathed in the breath of life, directly creating man's spirit, into man made from dust (Gen. 2.7) over billions of years; man became a living soul made in His image who would permanently exist. Man was triune just like God is. Man has a spirit, soul and body (Heb. 4.12, 1 Thess. 5.23).

As a rough estimate let's say there have been 50 billion souls since Adam and there will be another 250 billion in the millennial kingdom. That's 300 billion. The New City is only 1379 x 1379 miles so about 1 billion souls for that amount of space could fit there comfortably. That means the savings ratio could be as low as 1 in 300. I am 1 in 300. Not likely you will ever give your life to Christ statistically speaking.

All those like Abel, Job, etc. who were saved because they accepted God, surely they would accept His only begotten Son. This is a looking to the cross just as we look back at that eternal cross.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Actually the cross has a few meanings you may or may not know about. It represents the tree of life. And it represents the pineal gland. If you put a finger where your third eye should be one at the same spot on the back of your head until you have a cross. It marks the spot of the pineal gland. The soul.So yes meditation saves your absolutely right.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by Manunnaki
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Actually the cross has a few meanings you may or may not know about. It represents the tree of life. And it represents the pineal gland. If you put a finger where your third eye should be one at the same spot on the back of your head until you have a cross. It marks the spor of the pineal gland. The soul.So yes meditation saves your absolutely right.

Meditation doesn't save. The Bible says we are not saved by works or prayer lest anyone should boast. That's arrogant. No amount of work or meditation could ever bridge that gap for reconcilation back with God. In order to be saved an infinitely greater God must condescend Himself to us and that is exactly what God does through the Father's only begotten Son.

The tree of life typifies eternal life. The cross is not eternal life, but the place Jesus atoned for sins of the world shedding His precious blood for forgiveness of sins. Secondly those in Christ have died with Him on that cross to their old man for power over sin and self. This is something you do not have. You don't have this co-death, power and strength, resurrection life, of Christ in us by the Holy Spirit.
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I was just thinking too, the tree of life has sweet fruit. The cross is bitter. They are not the same. The latter can bring one to the former, but the former need not access the latter, because if Adam ate of the tree of life there would be no need for the cross.
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Praise the Lord for this discernment! Amen.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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You don't do alot of research into nothing do you? I'll give you one link. That proves one thing that I've said. you can do the rest from their.



Tree of life as in Malkuth.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Manunnaki
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You don't do alot of research into nothing do you? I'll give you one link. That proves one thing that I've said. you can do the rest from their.



Tree of life as in Malkuth.
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I like to do research into double negatives: "You don't do alot of research into nothing do you?" Thanks for the compliment I don't do much research into nothing you moron.

I showed you how you disagree with Scripture on the tree of life. You can alter anything you like though. God gives you that choice.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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Isn't it easy to post a math that points out to a future date and go about with the fear mongering? This has been happening since some decades. 2015, 2022 will come and go without any major happenings. I am more concerned about how things are going to fare out at the end of 2012.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by oohay
Isn't it easy to post a math that points out to a future date and go about with the fear mongering? This has been happening since some decades. 2015, 2022 will come and go without any major happenings. I am more concerned about how things are going to fare out at the end of 2012.

2012 nothing happens. It is just a distraction from the 2,520 days of the Tribulation from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

No prophecy in history has this kind of calculation and signs that only exist from 2010 to 2015 before the Tribulation starts. Never before in history has Israel returned to the land and become a nation again. And the probability comes to 112 trillion to 1. No prophecy has odds like that. We can break down the flaws of all previous prophecies, but we can find no fault with the prophecy of the Tetrads.

Jesus returning on Sunday is 1 in 7. Tisha B'Av held over from Saturday is 1 in 7. Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av works out to be exactly 2,520 days every 7 out of 19 years. Including the probabilities for the Great Earthquake (1 in 2010), the Long H3 Solar Eclipse (1 in 700), the Tetrads (1 in 100,000), and these three events (earthquake, solar eclipse, lunar tetrad) in specific order (1 in 6), we come to a probability of 112 trillion to 1. If you think that is just coincidence, think again!
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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Gospel of Thomas
"His disciples said to him: On what day will the rest of the dead come into being, and on what day will the new world come? He said to them: What you await has come, but you do not know it."



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Gospel of Thomas
"His disciples said to him: On what day will the rest of the dead come into being, and on what day will the new world come? He said to them: What you await has come, but you do not know it."

That's stupid. The Gospel of Thomas came centuries later. The books of the NT were completed by the Apostles and close associates before 65 AD, before they were martyred with one exception the book of Revelation by John who was not martyred though was almost martyred several times.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Have you ever heard of a pompous ***? I think they call them donkeys.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:45 AM
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I think you are off topic, the topic being you are wrong and I am right; you are going to Hell, I am going to the New City. Too bad for you.
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