Originally posted by Skepticesque
My mother and I just got into a rather heated discussion (her side was heated, I tried remaining understanding). I believe that religion has caused
guilt, shame, hurt, and has done an awful lot of bad in this world. It has also done good, such as churches setting up non profit organizations and
My mother claimed that without religion, people would be raping, murdering, destroying, and hurting this world and all its people. She said that even
if religion revolves around a fear of Hell, it's still better than living in a world sans of religion.
This brings me to my question: Do we need religion to define our moral compass? Without religion, would we be in trouble? It's an interesting thought.
Religion does not bring about a moral compass, we are each born with a conscience, religion is not the cause, it is the effect.
1 Samuel 8:5 "Look," they told him, "you are now old, and your sons are not like you. Give us a king to judge us like all the other nations have."
(In their hearts they would not understand the truth of their situation, they did not percieve God as their king and therefore did not have the
kingdom of God in their hearts.)
1 Samuel 8:20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."
1 Samuel 10:19 But you have now rejected your God, who saves you out of all your calamities and distresses. And you have said, 'No, set a king over
us.' So now present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes and clans."
(God had this role of Kingship and he did it well.)
1 Samuel 12:2 Now you have a king as your leader. As for me, I am old and gray, and my sons are here with you. I have been your leader from my youth
until this day.
(There IS a difference between a leader and a dictator.)
1 Samuel 8:6 Samuel was displeased with their request and went to the LORD for guidance.
(Samuel knew who the true king and went to him for guidance.)
1 Samuel 12:13 Now here is the king you have chosen, the one you asked for; see, the LORD has set a king over you.
(Ask and you shall recieve.)
1 Samuel 15:11 "I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions." Samuel was
troubled, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.
(Saul made himself a dictator, he concieved his own rules, he put himself above God in his heart by choosing not to carry out God's instructions.)
1 Samuel 13:13-14 “You acted foolishly,” Samuel said. “You have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you; if you had, he would have
established your kingdom over Israel for all time. But now your kingdom will not endure; the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart and
appointed him leader of his people, because you have not kept the Lord’s command.”
(God devised a way to bring a good leader to represent his people.)
2 Samuel 14:14 -All of us must die eventually. Our lives are like water spilled out on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God does not
just sweep life away; instead, he devises ways to bring us back when we have been separated from him.
(The godly may trip seven times, but they will get up again. But one disaster is enough to overthrow the wicked. -Proverbs 24:16)
edit on 10/01/11 by Wonders because: To add.