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Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by artistpoet
I've been waiting for them to show up, but nothing yet...
Here's a video on Freemasonry in the meantime:
Originally posted by artistpoet
reply to post by EnochWasRight
As far as I am aware -------
It is true, that if you follow the "Paper chase" prior to Masons we have the Knights Templar.
The original knights were on a quest for knowledge - the knowledge they sought in Jerusalem was that of Jesus and his group of fellow Gnostics. Gnosticism in it's pure form was philosophical in nature.
Yet Gnosticism has it's roots in Hermetic Philosophy - Hermetic Philosophy has it's roots in Ancient Egyptian Philosophy - Ancient Egyptian Philosophy has it's roots in a prior civilization.
You can have all the knowledge in the world but still be a fool
In all the old manuscript records which contain the Legend of the Craft, mention is made of Hermes as one of the founders of Freemasonry. Thus, in the Grand Lodge Manuscript, No. 1, whose date is 1583 and the statement is substantially and almost verbally the same in all the others that "The great Hermarines that was Cubys sonne, the which Cubye was Semmes sonne, that was Noes sonne. This same Hermarines was afterwards called Hernes the father of Wysdome; he found one of the two pillars of stone, and found the science written therein, and he taught it to other men."
There are two persons of the name of Hermes mentioned in sacred history. The first is the divine Hermes, called by the Romans Mercury. Among the Egyptians he was known as Thoth. Diodorus Siculus describes him as the Secretary of Osiris; he is commonly supposed to have been the son of Mizraim, and Cumberland says that he was the same as Osiris. There is, however, much confusion among the mythologists concerning his attributes.
The second was Hermes Trismegistus or the Thrice Great, who was a celebrated Egyptian legislator, priest, and philosopher, who lived in the reign of Ninus, about the year of the world 2670. He is said to have written thirty-six books on theology and philosophy, and six upon medicine, all of which are lost. There are many traditions of him; one of which, related by Eusebius, is that he introduced hieroglyphics into Egypt. This Hermes Trismegistus, although the reality of his existence is doubtful, was claimed by the alchemists as the founder of their art, whence it is called the Hermetic Science, and whence we get in Freemasonry, Hermetic Rites and Hermetic Degrees.
It is to him that the Legend of the Craft refers; and, indeed, the York Constitutions, which are of importance, though not probably of the date of 926, assigned to them by Krause, give him that title, and say that he brought the custom of making himself understood by signs with him to Egypt. In the first ages of the Christian church, this mythical Egyptian philosopher was in fact considered as the inventor of everything known to the human intellect. It was fabled that Pythagoras and Plato had derived their knowledge from him, and that he had recorded his inventions on pillars. The Operative Masons, who wrote the old Constitutions, obtained their acquaintance with him from the Polycromycon of the monk Ranulf Higden, which was translated from the Latin by Trevisa, and printed by William Caxton in 1482. It is repeatedly quoted in the Cooke Manuscript, whose probable date is the latter part of the fifteenth century, and was undoubtedly familiar to the writers of the other Constitutions.
The Greek Christians supposed him to have been identical with the first Egyptian Hermes, who dwelt at Sais. They say he was the first to give instruction on the celestial bodies; that he foretold the deluge that was to overwhelm his descendants; and that he built the Pyramids, engraving thereon figures of artificial instruments and the elements of the sciences, fearing lest the memory of man should perish in that general destruction. Eupolemus, a Grecian writer, makes him the same as Atlas, and attributes to him, as the Pagans did to that deity, the invention of astronomy. Wait (Oriental Antiquities) quotes a passage from Bar Hebraeus, a Jewish writer, which asserts that Enoch was the first who invented books and writing; that he taught men the art of building cities; that he discovered the knowledge of the Zodiac and the course of the planets; and that he inculcated the worship of God by fasting, prayer, alms, votive offering, and tithes. Bar Hebraeus adds, that he also appointed festivals for sacrifices to the sun at the periods when that luminary entered each of the zodiacal signs; but this statement, which would make him the author of idolatry, is entirely inconsistent with all that we know of his character, from both history and tradition, and arose, as Oliver supposes, most probably from a blending of the characters of Enos and Enoch.
Enoch then caused a triangular plate of gold to be made, each side of which was a cubit long; he enriched it with the most precious stones, and encrusted the plate upon a stone of agate of the same form. On the grave he engraved, in ineffable characters, the true name of Deity, and, placing it on a cubical pedestal of white marble, he deposited the whole within the deepest arch. When this subterranean building was completed, he made a door of stone, and attaching to it a ring of iron, by which it might be occasionally raised, he placed it over the opening of the uppermost arch, and so covered it over that the aperture could not be discovered. Enoch himself was permitted to enter it but once a year; and on the death of Enoch, Methuselah, and Lamech, and the destruction of the world by the deluge, all knowledge of this temple, and of the sacred treasure which it contained, was lost until, in after times, it was accidentally discovered by another worthy of Freemasonry, who, like Enoch, leas engaged in the erection of a temple on the same spot.
A little Pythagoras School of Numbers:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(constellation)" you might have to enter this by hand to work
Orion has also been identified with the Egyptian Pharaoh of the Fifth Dynasty called Unas who, according to the Pyramid Texts, became great by eating the flesh of his mortal enemies and then slaying and devouring the gods themselves. This was based on a belief in contiguous magic whereby consuming the flesh of great people would bring inheritance of their power. After devouring the gods and absorbing their spirits and powers, Unas journeys through the day and night sky to become the star Sabu, or Orion. The Pyramid Texts also show that the dead Pharaoh was identified with the god Osiris, whose form in the stars was often said to be the constellation Orion.
The Bible mentions Orion three times, naming it "Kesil" (כסיל, literally - fool. Though, this name perhaps is etymologically connected with "Kislev", the name for the ninth month of the Hebrew calendar (i.e. November–December), which, in turn, may derive from the Hebrew root K-S-L as in the words "kesel, kisla" (כֵּסֶל, כִּסְלָה, hope, positiveness), i.e. hope for winter rains.): Job 9:9 ("He is the maker of the Bear and Orion"), Job 38:31 ("Can you loosen Orion`s belt?"), and Amos 5:8 ("He who made the Pleiades and Orion"). In ancient Aram, the constellation was known as Nephîlā′, the Nephilim may have been Orion's descendants.
European folkloreIn old Hungarian tradition, "Orion" is known as (magic) Archer (Íjász), or Scyther (Kaszás), by recently rediscovered myths he is rather called Nimrod (Hungarian "Nimród"), the biggest hunter, father of the twins Hun and Hungarian (Hungarian "Hunor" and "Magor"). The "π" and "o" stars (on upper right) form together the reflex bow or the lifted scythe. In other Hungarian traditions, "Orion's belt" is known as "Judge's stick" (Bírópálca). In Scandinavian tradition, "Orion's belt" was known as Frigg's Distaff (Friggerock) or Freyja's distaff.
Originally posted by starwarsisreal
reply to post by MagnumOpus
I'm wondering is the Gnostic Texts related to this
aside from esoteric knowledge do you think the Masons believed that Jesus have a descendant because I've heard rumor Jesus have a descendant and that in some way it is related to Essenes
Gnosticism is a philosophical and religious movement which started in pre-Christian times. It may have had is source in the Jewish community of Alexandria and been later picked up by some Christian groups in Judea and the Galilee.
Originally posted by Starchild23
Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by TedHodgson
Good people? Spreading lies?
You being spoon fed deception and judging a disciple of Truth?
Me being slapped over the head with bibles whilst growing up?
Oh, my, god, you poor, poor soul.
That's a lot coming from someone who was spoon fed from the Bible their whole life...
Did you ever open a physics book?
The study for the Essenes of the region of Mt. Carmel indicate that Joseph and Mary had a child (actually several), Jesus, who was brought up with all the teaching from the Essene Mystery School's knowledge. The Mt. Carmel area was less monastic than the Jerusalem sect and the Qumran sect, and some had families.
All of which make the Holy Roman church appear as a fraud, and along with that fraud most of those worshiping the Roman Empire's Bible becomes highly embellished stories not presenting the truth.
Originally posted by artistpoet
The Initiate who can see archetypes or symbols all around in the real world can never come to the end of gathering knowledge. Understanding this he considers how his knowledge can be of value in benefiting others and how he can fit into his society.edit on 25-4-2012 by artistpoet because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cloudyday
That's what I think too. I get so tired of religious people searching for "truth". What is truth? I would rather have a lie if it made me a better person.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Christians already know the RCC is a fraud. We have 18+ million dead brothers and sisters to prove it.
Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Religion's main theme always has been truth, not propagation of lies. Else, religion becomes Satan, the Trickster, the teller of lies.