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The Masons discovered the highest truth on Jesus and the Essene centuries ago.

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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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I have one thing to remind you of.

Assuming that Homo Sapiens is not the final evolution (I believe it isn't) then whatever knowledge the church has hidden from us is because...well, look what we did with nuclear power. We wiped out two innocent cities, and the one sole survivor doesn't even look human anymore.

And you say that the godly power hidden from us is supposed to be given to us? We'll destroy everything with it! There's a reason we are encouraged to debase ourselves in worship...because we become too damn arrogant. Either we are weak and helpless, or raging tyrants. We are a species of extremes. There is no middle ground. We have to keep in motion, constantly leaning to one side or another, in the name of "progression", all the while rationalizing about why we chose that direction.

There's a reason it was all kept hidden from us. We are a volatile species, and we had to learn the consquences of our violence before we could learn how to correct it and maintain control of our inheritance. The time has now come, or will soon be here...and as you can see, change abounds!

As you said, all according to plan. Unfortunately, no one can see that the negative energies were necessary, and our leaders are more worried about their finite future than our species (hopefully) infinite future. Why worry about something you don't think will die, when your life is not going to last forever? There's stuff to be done!

The church had a purpose. It has fulfilled that purpose, for the most part. Now comes the next phase, but we're a little slow about getting to it. And perhaps this demonization of the church is in preparation for leaving the next...demonize the home so you are more eager to leave and spread your wings when the time comes.

The whole plot is so complex, it would take ten threads to explain everything...but that's the relevant portion. All the side details can wait for another time, considering I've explained those in my own threads. I keep repeating and repeating, but no one is interested, even if it is important...

Whatever. I've explained the church, now let's roll forward.
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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The OP's handle, "Magnum Opus", refers to the Freemason's "Great Work", which is the unification of man, his Guardian Angel and his demonic self into one transcended being. The roots of this practice lie in Jewish mysticism.

Would you explain, sir, the reasoning behind your choice of ATS name and your intent to purport that Jesus was not the Son of God but instead just a man of the Essenes?

Thank you.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by 1nOne
The OP's handle, "Magnum Opus", refers to the Freemason's "Great Work", which is the unification of man, his Guardian Angel and his demonic self into one transcended being. The roots of this practice lie in Jewish mysticism.

Would you explain, sir, the reasoning behind your choice of ATS name and your intent to purport that Jesus was not the Son of God but instead just a man of the Essenes?

Thank you.



When I had an appreciation long ago (20 years or so back and long before there was an ATS) for the name Magnum Opus, it was over a theme of harmony in music and I didn't know a thing about the Masons appreciation of the like term. I liked the Music and Harmony theme. There is even a band called Magnum Opus and I've spoken with some of them. The Latin term "Magnum Opus" translate to "Geat Work" simply, and has no special association with Pike other than he liked the term also for his lengthy work.
But, I'll have to go check out the Mason's theme of the term, as that never caught my attention till your mention.


I have two books that one of the Mason folks recommended for me to check out, and they appear to explain some of your questions.


So, you'll have to do some reading. And the author appears to be no slouch in researching.




www.amazon.com...

James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls [Paperback]
Robert H. Eisenman

Drawing on long-overlooked early Church texts and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Eisenman reveals in this groundbreaking exploration that James, not Peter, was the real successor to the movement we now call "Christianity." In an argument with enormous implications, Eisenman identifies Paul as deeply compromised by Roman contacts. James is presented as not simply the leader of Christianity of his day, but the popular Jewish leader of his time, whose death triggered the Uprising against Rome—a fact that creative rewriting of early Church documents has obscured.

Eisenman reveals that characters such as "Judas Iscariot" and "the Apostle James" did not exist as such. In delineating the deliberate falsifications in New Testament dcouments, Eisenman shows how—as James was written out—anti-Semitism was written in. By rescuing James from the oblivion into which he was cast, the final conclusion of James the Brother of Jesus is, in the words of The Jerusalem Post, "apocalyptic" —who and whatever James was, so was Jesus.








www.amazon.com...

The New Testament Code: The Cup of the Lord, the Damascus Covenant, and the Blood of Christ

Eisenman begins with a question: “Is there a ‘New Testament Code?’” He proves that there is—and exposes the deliberate revisions, falsifications, and historical trivializations introduced into New Testament writings. In so doing, he identifies the Scrolls as the literature of the Messianic Movement in Palestine and “decodes” many favorite sayings in the Gospels, including “These are the signs that the Lord did in Cana of Galilee.” Offering a point-by-point analysis of James’ relationship to the Dead Sea Scrolls, he illuminates such subjects as the “Pella Flight,” the wilderness camps, and Paul as an “Herodian,” and demonstrates how, once we have found the Historical James, we will find the Historical Jesus.





So, I think when you get done with these readings that you'll find an expertise greater than you or I and all of ATS put together to have garnered the truth of these old times and those seeking to embellish a story to the point that is falls apart in the test for truth in this day and time.

One might find why the Vatican has a statue of Peter that is of a chicken with an interesting beak.

BTW I think it was James that ended up in India and the one called St. Issa And Jesus ended up in Southern France and the Mediterranean area.

The organized churches really don't want to dig too deep into these issues because what they dig up just might show all was a huge fabrication.

It gets down to the need to do some of the modern science for DNA to see just how the mtDNA lines up for these old sites.



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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by 0mage
 


I have one thing to remind you of.

Assuming that Homo Sapiens is not the final evolution (I believe it isn't)
Evolution? never heard of it, please explain.


then whatever knowledge the church has hidden from us is because...well, look what we did with nuclear power. We wiped out two innocent cities, and the one sole survivor doesn't even look human anymore.
who's we? specifically?


And you say that the godly power hidden from us is supposed to be given to us? We'll destroy everything with it!
good!

There's a reason we are encouraged to debase ourselves in worship...because we become too damn arrogant.
what was that about debasing others?

Either we are weak and helpless, or raging tyrants. We are a species of extremes. There is no middle ground. We have to keep in motion, constantly leaning to one side or another, in the name of "progression", all the while rationalizing about why we chose that direction.
we should all just kill ourselves and save the freaking planet man



There's a reason it was all kept hidden from us. We are a volatile species, and we had to learn the consquences of our violence before we could learn how to correct it and maintain control of our inheritance. The time has now come, or will soon be here...and as you can see, change abounds!
again mass extinction is the answer... simultaneous suicide solution.


As you said, all according to plan. Unfortunately, no one can see that the negative energies were necessary, and our leaders are more worried about their finite future than our species (hopefully) infinite future. Why worry about something you don't think will die, when your life is not going to last forever? There's stuff to be done!
huh?


The church had a purpose.
and still does.

It has fulfilled that purpose, for the most part.
and is still doing it every week.

Now comes the next phase, but we're a little slow about getting to it. And perhaps this demonization of the church is in preparation for leaving the next...demonize the home so you are more eager to leave and spread your wings when the time comes.
please explain in detail that which you believe to be the ahem next phase?


The whole plot is so complex, it would take ten threads to explain everything...but that's the relevant portion. All the side details can wait for another time, considering I've explained those in my own threads. I keep repeating and repeating, but no one is interested, even if it is important...
it's all a conspiracy, life is a giant conspiracy, nothings real!


Whatever. I've explained the church, now let's roll forward.
you have explained a twisted and deranged and inferior version of one humans thought patterns, in which about the only one who will agree with you is yourself.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by 0mage
I will end with explaining the nature of symbolism. why it is so revered in the foundation of Freemasonry and the answer is simple. There are many names for God, many cultures, many contradicting practices and beliefs of the various religions on earth. the underlying truth is that it doesnt matter what name you use to address God. As long as you understand what God is in terms of addressing him with the correct symbolic meaning in your mind when praying.

totally awesome! and being a supposedly evil left hander I can see what you are meaning by that... no conspiracy just common sense.

a Salute for your intellect my friend



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Clearly, the only thoughts you allow in your mind are those of purely religious origin.

Otherwise, you would understand the scientific facet of the "spiritual" change we are all about to face...hopefully.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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This one looks like a good one to check out on Pike's timeframe for Masons:




www.amazon.com...

Magnum Opus or the Great Work [Facsimile] [Paperback]
Albert Pike (Author)

The Magnum Opus contains Albert Pike's complete, original text of the Scottish Rite degrees. Some of Pike's rituals were used by other Supreme Councils as a foundation for their own practices; while more recently the Supreme Council 33°, Southern Masonic Jurisdiction, U.S.A. has appointed a committee to revise the current Pike rituals. The Magnum Opus allows researchers to trace the divergence to discover shifts in Masonic symbolism.





posted on May, 5 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by 0mage
 


I have one thing to remind you of.

Assuming that Homo Sapiens is not the final evolution (I believe it isn't) then whatever knowledge the church has hidden from us is because...well, look what we did with nuclear power. We wiped out two innocent cities, and the one sole survivor doesn't even look human anymore.


This is the fearmongering of self that the evil occupiers would like u to believe and propogate as a message around yourselves to stop u in your tracks. They have made you to believe it is wrong to know how to harness your full potential



And you say that the godly power hidden from us is supposed to be given to us? We'll destroy everything with it! There's a reason we are encouraged to debase ourselves in worship...because we become too damn arrogant. Either we are weak and helpless, or raging tyrants. We are a species of extremes. There is no middle ground. We have to keep in motion, constantly leaning to one side or another, in the name of "progression", all the while rationalizing about why we chose that direction.


Again fear-mongering.. Please entertain the idea that these gifts of technology are of the material. And we all know that the material is of flesh/Sin. they are not miraculous works or divine in any way. It is not possible to gain the gift of knowing self without having compassion. True compassion in a way you cannot fake ur way into receiving the gift. You must care for others as not just a pre-requisite.. but as a foundational building block of your spiritual connection.



There's a reason it was all kept hidden from us. We are a volatile species, and we had to learn the consquences of our violence before we could learn how to correct it and maintain control of our inheritance. The time has now come, or will soon be here...and as you can see, change abounds!


I agree there was a reason.. and the reason is that some very ill intentioned ppl have conspired to dominate and enslave mankind and secure a life of luxury for themselves. a "Heaven on Earth" for a select few. Make no mistake that it is all intentional and as pretty much all civilized religious and spiritual cultures believe and stated in the writings.. all part of God's plan. One could not be "pretending to be evil" while there are children dying of starvation in africa and innocent civillians being killed in cold blood all around the world in a system they support, propogate and defend for it's survival and reign. While they purport the commandment by God - "Thou Shalt Not Kill". yet have seduced and fund armies of armed and trained personell with weapons that cause death.



As you said, all according to plan. Unfortunately, no one can see that the negative energies were necessary, and our leaders are more worried about their finite future than our species (hopefully) infinite future. Why worry about something you don't think will die, when your life is not going to last forever? There's stuff to be done!


Maybe.. maybe humanity will wake up fully soon and with the right choices forward, fix the mistakes of the past with a totally new and truly equal system of societal construct. But it would be quite alot easier if the transition was forced and we were propelled into a 5th dimensional era. I believe it has already started and is going on as we speak.



The church had a purpose. It has fulfilled that purpose, for the most part. Now comes the next phase, but we're a little slow about getting to it. And perhaps this demonization of the church is in preparation for leaving the next...demonize the home so you are more eager to leave and spread your wings when the time comes.


The Church just takes your money and promises you the kingdom of heaven thru forgiveness of sins. They have no real power nor do they really want you to attain it. Else they would have propagated healers to be sent out into the world to do miraculous healings and those would be our true doctors instead of the scalpel butchers we currently have available and only if you can afford the necessary treatment.



The whole plot is so complex, it would take ten threads to explain everything...but that's the relevant portion. All the side details can wait for another time, considering I've explained those in my own threads. I keep repeating and repeating, but no one is interested, even if it is important


It would be if you dont take the time to weed out all the contradictions and make sure your understanding is accurate when put next to reality. The summary of it all is that Capitalism is a pyramid structured system of enslavement which will always have bottom feeders supporting top feeders. If everything was free then nothing would have value and man would just focus on spiritual development and helping eachother



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Come on now---think----the thead is about Masons and finding Jesus and Essene. So, all this chatter about Amen and such needs to have some connection with Mason topic and discovery linked to Jesus and Essene. Or to deny said associations.

Just to settle things down. It appears Masons do have little prayers or sorts:




masonicfax.net...

The answer to question is yes, but it quite different that a worship service. Since Freemasonry is not a religion there is no need to have worship as one of its functions. There is nothing in the Lodge Room of any religious significance. There are no pictures of saints or Satan on the walls. There are no statues. There are no pews. There is not even a choir loft. The Lodge Room is rectangular is shape. There are seats on the North and South sides for the non-officers and visitors. There is a platform on the East side where the "chairman" sits. There are officer’s chairs on the South and West sides. The secretary and treasurers chairs are on the platform. Other than that there is only an altar with a KJV Bible (in most lodges) on top of it, placed in the center of the room








wiki.answers.com...

Do Freemason pray in or at a certain place or way?

Answer:
Sometimes Masons place their right hands over their hearts when they pray. They also end the prayers with the old English translation of "Amen", "So mote it be."




Other than those little tid bits. I don't think working on that Amen prayer thing gets to the issue of finding the truth on Jesus and the Essene. If it does then show everyone so we can see it.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
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Clearly, the only thoughts you allow in your mind are those of purely religious origin.

Otherwise, you would understand the scientific facet of the "spiritual" change we are all about to face...hopefully.

the scientific method was born of religious philosophy and questions...

therefore it supersedes it, and possibly by several millenia?

I'm just not big on guilt tripping... surely (I) didn't blow up no people, who knows maybe they blew themselves up?

nor did I establish the Catholic Church which seems to be the only religious establishment people know of when they look for bad things.

I hugged my tree when I was a teenager, been there done that



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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I think looking along the methods and teachings of the Masons allows one to gain some important concepts to make a jump into higher understandings than I think they teach folks, though some can reach that point on their own with a little greater presence of mind.

In the old days they had somewhat peculiar ways of thinking, and this spirit leaving the body thing seemed to occur when folks didn't wake up due to illnesses and they pushed quickly to stick them in a tomb. They didn't recognize issues like coma and long term passing out. If you didn't wake up your spirit or presence of mind left the body.

Internal Spirits or the presence of mind were influenced by good thoughts, considered benefical to others, and good steward ideas and these were the Angles of different flavors or classes/groupings. Similar presence of mind thoughts that went in negative directions were the Satan thoughts. All of it linked to the internal presence of minds and how thoughts "materialize" in the brain. With materialization they take on a persona and angelic subgroup title. These were the tales of angles coming to visit.

The issues of the "ascension" into heaven is a like issue, where all the hidden secrets of the narratives suddenly make sense to them and they have all the truths. The Pharisee speak to knowing interpretations of the hidden secrets and they are hdden mostly by allegory methods that others take as the literal. Once one learns the methods to understand truth they get to Heaven on Earth where all the truths reside within them and they live essentially in the house of god.

I think these insights break through to some of these issues and ways for expressions of these old ways of thinking and referring to their speaking of angels and god. Heaven is the place of total truths and highest knowledge and hell is the opposire and filled with treachery and deceit ideals. Each is a state of mind materialization into persona type speaking representative for the concept come to life in the mind.

The narrative make use of these type speaking in many areas, and it relates to how reincarnation happens as these same concepts can become incarnate in others and take on the past person's persona. Jesus returns many times speaks of this concept. Jesus, The Essene, and the Theraputes all believed in reincarnation.

A book called the Urantia touches really close to these concepts and supplements the Mason's methods. Each method takes be best parts of all religions to illustrate the fuller whole and the highest understanding of religion.


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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Masonic insights often open doors to greater understanding and one of these areas is how to consider Peter. The Vatican used to display a statue of a human combined with a rooster with a phallic symbol, and the Masons read on that symbolism can help explain why such an odd depiction often connected with Peter and the church exists. The rooster is rather symbolic for crowing at the rise of the Sun.




freethoughtnation.com...

"Peter" is not only "the rock" but also "the cock" or penis, as the word is used as slang to this day. As Walker says, "The cock was also a symbol of Saint Peter, whose name also meant a phallus or male principle (pater) and a phallic pillar (petra). Therefore, the cock's image was often placed atop church towers."

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Here Middleton describes the "priapus effigy" as a rooster with a head crest and the inscription "Savior of the World" or Servator orbis in the Latin. A "learned man" interprets the image as a cock, a bird sacred to the sun, a symbol of fertility and generative power. We can see where the term priapus gallinaceus comes from, as it refers to the erect member of the god Priapus and the Latin word for "rooster" or "cock." Therefore, we are discussing an entire genre of artifacts, evidently dating to before the common era and into it (Gnostic?); other such examples can be cited.

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Hidden in the Vatican

In Studies in Iconography (7-8:94), published by Northern Kentucky University, after discussing this "Savior of the World" artifact, the author comments:

This object was published under papal and royal authority, exhibited for a time in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and is now said to be held inaccessible in the secret collections of the Vatican. During the public life of this bronze, officials disagreed upon the probity of the exhibit. One offended cardinal requested that the object be removed...




From the Mason's Encyclopedia, One will find the Egyptian story of Isis is very close to Semiramis. Also one finds the dot symbolism on the Lost Tomb of Jesus. And with the Compass of Masons. And the ancient astrological symbol for the sun, which is a dot with circle.




www.phoenixmasonry.org...

The union of these two, as the generative and the producing principles of nature, in one compound figure, was the most usual mode of representation. Here we undoubtedly find the remote origin of the point within a circle, an ancient symbol which was first adopted by the old sun-worshipers, and then by the ancient astronomers, as a symbol of the sun surrounded by the earth or the universe—the sun as the generator and the earth as the producer—and afterward modified in its signification and incorporated as part of the symbolism of Freemasonry (see Point within a Circle).

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The Phallus was a sculptured representation of the membrum uirile, or male organ of generation. The worship of it is said to have originated in Egypt, where, after the murder of Osiris by Typhon, which is symbolically to be explained as the destruction or deprivation of the sun's light by night, Isis, his wife, or the symbol of nature, in the search for his mutilated body, is said to have found all the parts except the organs of generation. This myth is simply symbolic of the fact that the sun having set, its fecundating and invigorating power had ceased. The Phallus, therefore, as the symbol of the male generative principle, was very universally venerated among the ancients, and that, too, as a religious rite, without the slightest reference to any impure or lascivious application.





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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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And even more interesting items come from the Masonic Encyclopedia. There is often a great deal of confusion over the terms "resurrection" and "reincarnation" and the issues of bringing people back from the dead. The Essene and Therapute believed in reincarnation and they use this association with Jesus return.

There is also hidden meanings with uses of allegorical writing of natural events on those eary times that get taken as literal. The Pharisee were supposed to be the professionals in these interpretations.

Even the issues of dreams while sleeping were often considered as messages from god and often needed interpretation as the mind makes the images appear as material. Dreams were often difficult to separate as they appeared as material as those seen by the eye, yet they existed only in the mind. So, lots of the old stories spend a lot of time on dreams and what they were. Messages from god, not in this day and time, but back then they were discussed as such.





www.phoenixmasonry.org...'

PHARISEES

A school among the Jews at the time of Christ, so called from the Aramaic Perushim, Separated, because they held themselves apart from the rest of the nation. They claimed to have a mysterious knowledge unknown to the mass of the people, and pretended to the exclusive possession of the true meaning of the Scriptures, by virtue of the oral law and the secret traditions which, having been received by Moses on Mount Sinai, had been transmitted to successive generations of initiates. They are supposed to have been essentially the same as the Assideans or Chasidim. The character of their organization is interesting to the Masonic student. They held a secret doctrine, of which the dogma of the resurrection was an important feature; they met in sodalities or societies, the members of which called themselves Chabirim, meaning fellows or associates; and they styled all who were outside of their mystical association, Yom Haharetz, or people of the land.

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PHENIX

The old mythological legend of the phenir is a familiar one. The bird was described as of the size of an eagle, with a head finely crested, a body covered with beautiful plumage, and eyes sparkling like stars.

She was said to live six hundred years in the wilderness, when she built for herself a funereal pile of aromatic woods, which she ignited with the fanning of her wings, and emerged from the flames with a new life. Hence the phenix has been adopted universally as a symbol of immortality.

Godfrey Higgins (Anacalypsis ii, page 441) says that the phenix is the symbol of an ever-revolving solar cycle of six hundred and eight years, and refers to the Phenieian word phen, which signifies a cycle. Aumont, the first Grand Master of the Templars after the martyrdom of De Molay, and called the Restorer of the Order, took, it is said, for his seal, a phenix brooding on the flames, with the Latin motto, Ardet ut sivat, meaning She burns that she may live. The phenix was adopted at a very early period as a Christian symbol, and several representations of it have been found in the catacombs. Its ancient legend, doubtless, caused it to be accepted as a symbol of the resurrection.




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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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One of the things one might notice is the Masons try to honor all religions and they read from the Bible and the Koran and others. One of the most interesting of insightts comes from the study of Mohammad. He came from a highly volcanic land. He studied in a cave and what appears to be a volcanic upthrust volcanic rift mountain. And he has an interesting symbol.





en.wikipedia.org...

The Arabian Peninsula was largely arid and volcanic, making agriculture difficult except near oases or springs. The landscape was thus dotted with towns and cities, two prominent ones being Mecca and Medina. Medina was a large flourishing agricultural settlement, while Mecca was an important financial center for many surrounding tribes.[43] Communal life was essential for survival in the desert conditions, as people needed support against the harsh environment and lifestyle.

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Muhammad adopted the practice of meditating alone for several weeks every year in a cave on Mount Hira near Mecca.[63][64] Islamic tradition holds that during one of his visits to Mount Hira, the angel Gabriel appeared to him in the year 610 and commanded Muhammad to recite the following verses:[65]

Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
Taught man that which he knew not.
—Quran, sura 96 (Al-Alaq), ayat 1-5[66]

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In line with the hadith prohibition against creating images of sentient living beings, which is particularly strictly observed with respect to God and the Prophet, Islamic religious art is focused on the word.[246][247] Muslims generally avoid depictions of Muhammad, and mosques are decorated with calligraphy and Quranic inscriptions or geometrical designs, not images or sculptures.[246][248] Today, the interdiction against images of Muhammad – designed to prevent worship of Muhammad, rather than God – is much more strictly observed in Sunni Islam (85%–90% of Muslims) than among Shias (10%–15%).[249] While both Sunnis and Shiites have created images of Muhammad in the past,[250] Islamic depictions of Muhammad are rare.[246] They have, until recently[vague], mostly been limited to the private and elite medium of the miniature, and since about 1500 most depictions show Muhammad with his face veiled, or symbolically represent him as a flame.[248][251]





Some of the interesting issues is the road to Mecca from the North is lined with volcanic effects. Lots of cinder cones and volcanic basalt. Even lots of history stories of Mecca travelers being hit with eruptions of stones killing them and camels.

The road to Mecca comes close to the Moses Mtn at Midian, which is the issue of Volcanic Effects associated with the East Africa Rift Zone and that running into the Saudi region oil field domes.

It appears the depiction of Mohammad as Flame resembles Moses Mtn of fire and perhaps Muhammad knew the deeper details for what was Moses god there.

Even the issues of Mohammad doing his meditations in caves on a mountain get to be interesting. Especially interesting as the mountains around Mecca largely stem from volcanic and rift effects of the same type that made Moses Mtn with the cave in the mountain there.

It appears Mohammad and Moses were into the same things, even along the same volcanic rift zone with caves on mountains. Moses Fire became Mohammad's Symbol.




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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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You seem to have shifted from an atheistic perspective to an Islamic perspective recently,

I'm a little worried for you,

Come to Christ,seek Truth, stop believing deceptions



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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You should stop trying to convert every intellectual you meet on here. In fact, I find it hilarious that you say "seek truth" when you close your mind to half of the interesting ideas on this site. You only accept what you want to accept, and that is the opposite of seeking truth. And you have the gall to post these messages of your supposed "truth" on ATS...

How long will it take before you understand we don't go, "Baa-aa-aaaa"?
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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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Can't stop,

Won't stop,

Gods will,

Not mine,

Amen



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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I'm positive that if you wanted to stop, you could.

"God's will" is a pathetic excuse for being a sycophantic broken-record. Try coming up with some opinions of your own once in a while...something you haven't heard from the mouths of your congregational members. When was the last time you even bothered thinking for yourself?

Oh, that's right...the Bible prohibits that sort of thing, doesn't it? I wonder why...


I think we have the answer as to why the Masons are the only ones with the truth regarding Jesus and the rest. If I ever have any questions, I'll definitely be paying Magnum or the other Masons a visit.
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posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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John 15:14-27 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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John 15:14-27 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.


That doesn't sound like a friend. That sounds like a commander. And guess what those guys are known for?

Wars. Yep, leading people into battles. I wonder if your god is actually Mars, and that's why he's such a tyrant...

And you wonder why I like the Masons. They don't buy into this bullpoop. Seriously, why can't you argue for yourself? Virtually every argument you throw at me is copypasta from this old book. Why can't you speak for yourself? Must you always use an ancient textbook to defend yourself? Those aren't your words.

Defend yourself with your own words, Mr. Sheep!



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