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The Masons discovered the highest truth on Jesus and the Essene centuries ago.

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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Take it all back to Semiramis of Babylon.



Most know the only real Trinity symbol for Jesus was the three stars that announced a King, and the bad entered with those trying to weave in the games of Jesus having died, like Nimrod's false Trinity.

Satan are those that tell anyone can be brought back from the dead.

Thought there are death and rebirth rituals that confuse things, as to get over the bad teachings one almost has to start over again with the truth as the way forward into the light of truth.

John recast it into using water to wash away the wrongs and purify the mind with more pious teachings.


But still the dirt remains and the organized churches soil the image of Jesus with the elements of Satan.


edit on 2-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The non-pious teachings of Satan in organized religion




posted on May, 2 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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The Holy Trinity isn't even original.

Krishna, Vishnu, and the other one proves that. To take that one a little further, I'm pretty certain that a religion that reveres cows isn't based on Judaism...



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Take it all back to Semiramis of Babylon.


Not sure what you mean by that.
Do you mean the subjugation of females goes back to those times
Or that female power is originally found there
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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The subjugation of females started with the Christians, actually.

It's in the Bible. Previous faiths based on paganism or wicca actually venerated the feminine, and would be appalled at the sexism seen today.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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If one looks for the symbolism in the First Jesus Church in Jerusalem, one sees the symbol for The Way. It is composed of the Fish sign (Jonah and Whale--Fisher of Men), connected with the Star of David (Interlocked Triangles), and tops out with the 7-point Minorah(the ultimate truth and the light). It is shown on the URL below:


www.threemacs.org...



It is illistrative for the teaching of The Way, with three steps up to the enlightment. It is real similar to the theme of the Mason's 3 rd Degree (What they call the Blue Lodge level), which begins with steps leading to the light of the East.


Very few people, except Masons perhaps, would think to associate the symbol with the teachings for The Way and the three levels for the Essene teachings.




edit on 2-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Finding the Way and discover of Jesus in the correct symbolisms of the period.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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Your reason to be polite, is that your supposedly a Christian! Everyones entitled to there own opinion. Its Christians like you that make all us followers look bad.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Thanks. I've been saying that if you need a two thousand year old dead man as an excuse to be kind to other people, you have serious issues.

I'm glad someone else sees it the same way.

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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by artistpoet

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Take it all back to Semiramis of Babylon.


Not sure what you mean by that.
Do you mean the subjugation of females goes back to those times
Or that female power is originally found there


Nimrod, Tammuz, Semiramis. The "Mystery Babylon" religions all begin at Babylon. (father, son, & queen of heaven)



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Osiris Isis and Horus is far more ancient than Babylon
Father Mother and Son or Sun



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by artistpoet
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Osiris Isis and Horus is far more ancient than Babylon
Father Mother and Son or Sun






Babylon and Egypt co-existed for a while. It's till a mystery religion, a father, son, and queen of heaven model.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Yes agreed the model is the same
Father Mother Son but why not daughter any thoughts?



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by artistpoet
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Yes agreed the model is the same
Father Mother Son but why not daughter any thoughts?



No idea. The "priests" or holy men were the ones actually running kingdoms. The kings would have the priests consult the "gods" and tell the king what they said. That why when one culture was conquered the priests were taken to the new king.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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There are a few exceptions of course like Akhenaten 18th dynasty who closed down the Temples of Amun as worshipers of graven images and magic.
But yes generally speaking the priests ran things and held the power.
Was it not the priests who were instrumental in having Jesus killed



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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A little more Masonic theme.

The first step for the Masonic 1st degree is go to their "tracing board" and work up a stairway to the light of the East. Why they call this the tracing board appears to be they are retracing the old history in imagery methods, and they are detectives like Dick Tracey.

Masons try to gain knowledge from every religion, and they even read the Koran. The Stairway to the light of the East is a similar thing to the Jacob's ladder theme.

Its all about knowledge and seeking the greater truths.

Everyone is Islam admits they worship God, or what they call Allah, and they face the East symbolically to do this worship.

Every Mason temple is supposed to have an East West orientation or at least marked as such on the inside and their floor space is the same as that for the 1st temple, which had the same orientation. Interesting little similarities and tend to merge some thoughts. The real 1st Jerusalem temple Sacrifice Alter was the East and the Ark in the West.

Everyone knows the burning issue is that Islam considers Jesus as a Prophet and not god. Christians consider Jesus as god based on some flaky imaginations about death and resurrection. Logiocal and reasoned thinking says Jesus didn't die and he was not god.

So, in the world these days the Jihad of Islam is against the organized churches Infidels, which is the Christians mainly as they don't worship the real god/Allah. It is the same upset the Jewish had over those trying to call Jesus as god.

The overbearing Christians have to put on all kinds of shows, like burning the Koran, to excite problems in the Middle East and attract some money to the collection plates and some national news. What this does is cause wars, and kills US soldiers and Islam Jihadists. Nobody wins but those that profit from war.

What the Masons appear to have found is there is no real basis for Jesus being called god, and the theme for doing so by the organized church is being shown as a pitiful lie. So, the organized churches hate the Masons and attempt to label them as Satan or worshiping Satan and they do the same thing with the Islam and call them Satan also. (See the news article below)

But for the groups in the US that want wars for profit and expansion of the global corporatism footprint this is their fulcrum for wars and making money from weapons and killing. Who is most invested in war machines, the Vatican and the English Crown !! So each and every time these organized churches sell their fake theme of Jesus is god, lots of coins drop in the Vatican and Crown pocketbooks in the church itself and in their stock holdings.

I think one might begin to see that money does corrupt absolutely. The theme of Jesus is god is a National Security Threat issue for the US. We can even see the Pentagon Generals Plead with these outragous organized church preachers not to burn Bibles, as it translates to killed US soldiers and making the war zones worse.




www.dailymail.co.uk...

Pastor Terry Jones ignores Pentagon to hold ANOTHER Koran-burning ceremony

Publicity-grabbing Terry Jones, who caused international outrage and violent protests when he filmed the burning of the Islamic holy book last March, set several copies of the Koran on fire in a similar incident on Saturday night.

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The church’s website said that a few people left the building as the Koran, which had been soaked in kerosene, was set alight. An image of the Muslim prophet Muhammad was also burned.

The Pentagon had earlier implored Jones to reconsider burning the holy book arguing that the lives of American soldiers fighting abroad could be put at risk.






But the greed of the organized churce is extreme to the point of selling faked up stories the rest of the world considers crazy, but the bottom line is it makes profits for the churches investment holding, Vatican, English. It is the main method that excites the hate of the Islam against the Christian and slowly but surely wipes each other out. It is somewhat like insider trading or ponzi games, they pull the stings to excite wars and in return gain profit and more areas to exploit.


So, does one continue to follow the organzed churches insanity or look toward what the Masons discovered that has always made for peace in their social order?


edit on 2-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: War and Peace is a matter of religious design---and the games of insider trading via making wars



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by artistpoet
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There are a few exceptions of course like Akhenaten 18th dynasty who closed down the Temples of Amun as worshipers of graven images and magic.
But yes generally speaking the priests ran things and held the power.
Was it not the priests who were instrumental in having Jesus killed





Very instrumental. And the worst thing that happened to Christianity was when Theodosius I made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. Then the pagan priests of Rome just took off their amulets, put on crosses and just keep teaching the same Mystery Religion stuff they always did but with Christian names for their former theology and rituals. Like Christmas and Easter aren't Christian holidays, they are pagan.

Christ was born between the 2nd and the 9th of September 2 BC, and the first Christians celebrated Passover, not Easter.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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It is not the Church's fault that the religion was stolen from Pagan religions.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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I think I recall that someone asked about where did Jesus and Company travel after leaving Jerusalem.

The route appears to have been to Egypt until instability had them escape to Southern France where Sarah the Dark tanned Egyptian comes to the land on a boat with no oars. Boat with No Oars appears to be one of the Egyptian Sailing boats.

They stay in the remote area there with little outside communications. Jesus appears to have passed there.

The French Morivengians appear the offspring of Sarah. Dagabert is part of the extended family.

Sarah extended family then appears to move to Scotland to get well out of the reach of the Roman Empire. The name in France is St. Clair and becomes Sinclair in Scotland. Sinclair builds Roslin Chapel.

The meaning of the special plad on the child shown in Renesse Le Chateau is the synbolic family move to Scotland.


The region of France that they lived in is one in the same of the Templar leaders.


edit on 3-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Escape from the out of control Pharisee and Rome



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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The ultimate of the Masons Secrets appears associated with Albert Pike. Albert Pike is the Masons writer of the Morals and Dogma, as well as the author for the 33 degree dramas that teach the education process.

Albert Pike was such a pain in the Civil War that Russia was going to enter the US Civil War just to kill Albert Pike. There is a reason the Russian Czar wanted to kill Albert Pike over this letter. What Albert Pike is better known for is his letters to a European that speak to the making for 3 world wars and the last world war is basically to pit the Islams against the Christians and distroy each.

It would appear that things, in this regard, are well on the way of being reality, as Iraq was a War Against Islam, Afghanistan was a War Against Islam, Libya was a war against Islam, and now Iran is working up to be a war against Islam. And the root of the operations is the Zionists screaming they are going to kill us.

Most all the Masons know the central issue is that for the organized churches pushing that Jesus is god, and all Islam calls the US the Great Satan for taking that position. So, lots of the Jihad has been going on a while now, to include 911.

The question is who is selling out who, as the Vatican and UK Crown stand to make tons of money off war investments. Do the Masons know of the plan? Yes. Does the church know the plan? Yes.

Yes, for only the highest levels in the Masons and the Churches, as others are told only part of the plan. But they are ready to be taken up the ladder to the highest knowledge when the needs arise.




www.biblebelievers.org.au...

World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle, and Far East is designed to accomplish this devilish purpose?

After World War Three is ended, those who aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. We quote his own written words taken from the letter catalogued in the British Museum Library, London, England.

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but with out knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time" (William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game, p. xv-xvi).



Though somewhat hard to understand unless one knows that "Lucifer," in the Mason's vanacular, is the pure form of the Jesus teachings, it tells of the process of elimination for the wayward anti-Christ organized churches that teach false prophecy, along with Islam and Judaism. Lucifer is their Code Word for Jesus.

It forces the world to chose and the choice is going to be the organized churches Christians are going to be wiped out along with Islam and Judaism, or the world can wake up and begin to consider the correct Jesus theme and dump the greed of the organized churches that promote lies and sin against Jesus.

It becomes a literal life and death decision forced upon the world to gain the change back to the pious teachings of Jesus. The world, as well as you folks being shown the plan, get to choose. Life or Death.


One can see the resistance against reasonable change on ATS, and this effect has been encountered for centuries due to the power, greed, and control of the organized churches. Pike's plan literally places their very existance in the balance to force the change toward the truth.

Those that created these faked up religious differences to promote wars for power and control are going to get one upped, for their very existance will hang in the balance.

The ultimate goal is the return to the basic truths and that 1,000 year peace for a kinder and gentler time of heaven upon the Earth.


The truth will exterminate the anti-Christ church for all time, is Pike's message and design. There is also a reason for why the Mason all have to believe in God in the true sense, which isn't Jesus. Though Jesus had the way toward the truth. The Masons hold that same truth in confidence.

The first two world wars came to pass on the Mason's terms, and the third world war will also. It is already well in evidence. Time is also running short, and the world will have to make a decision to follow the unHoly Nonsense of the organized churches promotion for a Dead Man as god. That false teaching will distroy the unHoly organized churches based on that false prophecy.






edit on 3-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The Apocalypse Formula of the Masons



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by arpgme
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It is not the Church's fault that the religion was stolen from Pagan religions.


The Lord never intended for the church to be run by government, but apostolic function. The church was always supposed to be run by apostles and prophets. Think Samuel and Saul. Because Samuel didn't raise his children right the nation had to turn to government, in comes Saul.

The church is in trouble for it's sins, the Word is clear in all these areas. the stopped teaching about the baptism of the Holy Ghost as a secondary experience for the believer. They teach infant baptism, they teach Christmas and Easter. And on, and on, and on...



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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More of Masonic Linked history:

In the Civil War Albert Pike was a terror because he scalped the Army of Lincoln's soldiers. Albert Pike also wanted the Russian Czar gone. Lincoln went against the foreign bankers by issue of his own GreenBacks for money and what little money he did borrow, he refused to pay the huge interest payment. This created the want of those loyal to England and the South to kill Lincoln, and shortly to follow was the death of the Russian Czar. Then the issues of a Federal Reserve all about Europe's wealth driving and controlling the US, and the income tax to pay the Federal Reserves Interests. Then loans to Europe to pay for WWI, which were never repaid to the US. Then we wonder why the issues of all the Masonic designs on the US based Money.

Money can corrupt Masons as easily as the churches. What was Masonry in the times of George Washington likely wasn't Masonry in the times of Albert Pike, and what is Masonry today isn't the loyal to America theme of the times of Washington. The churches have become corrupted due to money and greed and what is suppressed is the higher knowledg, and in like fashion the Masons also hold this history close at hand and don't share what should be common knowledge in all of American History and teaching of the ultimate truths.

In the latter 1700's many Masons chose to be free of King Georges Oppression of Empire and Exploitation, and the land of the Free was carved out of Empire's greed.

The latter 1800's situation in the US was the moral codes wanted all men to be free and this was Lincoln War to Free the Slaves. Britain was the area that ran the shipping fleets out of Liverpool that profited from selling slaves and what was called the Atlantic Triangle trade that broght slaves to sell and then cotton to England to make into clothes. This Liverpool Atlantic Triangle trade made some of the richest banking empires in England associated with Liverpool.

So, Lincoln had a serious problem during the Civil War with a threat of the Queen's Empire to enter the Civil War and take over the US. So, then to the rescue comes the Russian Czar, who also appreciates Freedom and his theme was to Free the Surfs. The Russian Czar sent Russian War ships to America's shores to insure the Queen's military didn't come to retake the US.

What helped to form America's Freedom was a lot of American Masons, which included George Washington. But, there is an issue with the Masons in that their lead Lodge is located in London, England which brings back a dangerous British component. The British Royals draw their Royal power from the issues of relationship clear back to the Throne of David, and the issues of Jesus also has this relationship clear back to the Throne of David.

So, this bit of history gets down to issues of which similar blood linage gets the power, and literally the battles of Scotland against England. So, the issues with Masons get into these areas of interest of who leads. Albert Pike sided with the South, which would be siding with the English need for cotton in large measure of support of slavery for cheap cotton.

It all gets down to moral issues such as Freedom of the People to resist exploitation in any form. It gets down to issues of England vs the US, as the Mason's leader lodge is in London, England, which has the leading exploitation history of exploitation of other countries as the British Empire and via Banking's usury.

There are elements of Masons that are loyal to the Vatican, and these are called the P2 group. The Vatican is heavily invested in the machinery of war.

It gets down to the Masons teachings get to the truth on religion's inner secrets, which the religious groups like the Vatican oppose being known. It gets down to the issues of the Scotts Vs the English throne as both stem from the Throne of David, but one thread's family includes Jesus line also.

So, ultimately the knowledge of the People will become the knowledge that sets them free, and the history of the Masons as well as that of Empires is important in the final count down of those seeking the ultimate light of truth and what is the most moral choice for the leadership of road ahead.

One thing is clear, the churches avoidance of truth to preserve their want for money and power is a huge problem with oppression of the truths, and the sucker plays to make a corrupt church. The American Masons were loyal to American's best interests, and the Constitution speaks well to their benevolent purpose. But there are forces that hate the values of the American Constitution and Freedom and seek to take America from within, often using the corrupt games of religion to promote false needs for wars that would not exist but for the lies of the churches.

Thus, comes the need for Americans to know not only the history of Religion's corruption, but the interesting history of where Masonry came from so that everyone gets to keep their eye on everything from all angles. There appear to be poliical factors in Masons, and the divisions with P2 Vatican and the London Mother Lodge have to be carefully watched, as these may opposed America's Freedom and We The People. America's Freedom from exploitation from England was won by loyal Americans that knew much of this same history, so there is some moral benevolence there, but for this to continue all the world needs to become the wiser to insure that the ultimate truth prevails and not the political chicanery of a corrupt church intent upon Empire.

In 1961 there came a man from Boston that was not a Mason and was a Catholic that didn't fall into the cast of the Catholic religion but fell more into the cast of Abe Lincoln. Like Abe Lincoln he set up the Govt's own money called the US Note to oppose the Federal Reserve's Mason Money. He was faced with the Catholic Churches methods on Vietnam and the drum beats of war to invade a country, but he resisted the want of wars.

But as surely as George Washington's Masons cared for America's Freedoms, a president named JFK was on course to free American's from oppression by the Federal Reserve and an overburden of high taxes to finance wars, and freeing the American system being driven by faked up games of the Catholic churches in Vietnam.

Thus, with America in the balance of various take over from within issues, America's very prosperity and freedom is held by the lack of truth from corrupt churches with no moral character and many Masonic interests that appears as taken from within as the US itself.


edit on 3-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: An Eye on the Freedom for all Men created Equal



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