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The Masons discovered the highest truth on Jesus and the Essene centuries ago.

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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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New Age folks aren't Christian though

Beg to differ. There are several Christian sects that are also "New Age". The Urantia book is one example.




posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by Iason321
Back to the OP:

Are there any RELIABLE sources that the "Masons" have the "highest truth" on Jesus and the Essene?

Or is this all a slanderous, deceptive, untruthful OP?

I already know the answer, I just wanna hear the OP's

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."


I do believe the mods said no baiting or trolling.

Either put a lid on your righteous trap, or get out of this thread.


Lason appears to take on the tone of "the accuser", so lets allow him to proceed as he says he knows the answer.

And the suggestion is that "the accuser" considers the OP theme slanderous, deceptive, and untruthful.

So, let us see if he can follow the rules of ATS in doing this presentation that two of them persist---though one already knows the answer, which negates my needing to offer detail.

Per John 14:6 Jesus did teach "the way", which was the better ideals for god and the correct way to believe in god, which was to move away from Sun god Babylon and into the more pious Essene beliefs. Part of those beliefs was to make heaven right here on the Earth via the unadultated truth, and the highest issues was what defined god. Jesus never sought to become god, only to replace the Pharisee's Babylon corruptions of the theme of god with The Way. Jesus always said Gladly would he learn and Gladly would he teach, and he was the great moral teacher and an Essene Master, as were Mary and Joseph. Thus, for Jesus the absolute truth was the absolute for morality and made heaven upon the Earth.


edit on 1-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Yet, there are those that deny Jesus and The Way with each breath and deny Heaven upon the Earth



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Pretty good summary. Star for you.


I would like to add that Jesus, reportedly, came to Earth to teach a warring species about love. That's all. Just love. Not to rule or demand worship.

Unfortunately, the fact that he had his Infinite Gate open (Google it, lazy butts
) resulted in the people attempting to force him to take command. They wanted him to become king.

His death resulted from his refusal.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by MagnumOpus
 


Pretty good summary. Star for you.


I would like to add that Jesus, reportedly, came to Earth to teach a warring species about love. That's all. Just love. Not to rule or demand worship.

Unfortunately, the fact that he had his Infinite Gate open (Google it, lazy butts
) resulted in the people attempting to force him to take command. They wanted him to become king.

His death resulted from his refusal.


Indeed, Lots of Jesus teachings were about love and forgiveness. And much was about healing folks, with a lot of the old Medicines derived from Hippocrates. In the world of Masons, the symbolic trowel is about speading around botherly love to all religion affiliations. Masons also support healing folks via their charity work.

Ways that the Masons appear to be similar to Essene are the Three steps for their Blue Lodge 3rd Degree, which was the theme for the Essene initiates also and took three steps to complete. Blue is the Holy Color that Mary is always shown against, the color of Pious and Holy truth. Masons also have to be good citizens and the gang has to vote to accept them into training and the Degrees of becoming a Master, and the Essene had similar process to become a Master. Very similar terms between the two, and similar commitments towad only high moral character in their group.

Howerver, it was Jesus' populatity in teaching "The Way" that became a threat for the Phaisee and he was going to seriously upset their apple cart. So, the Pharisee wanted his head on a stick. Though the Phaisee wanted him for reasons of religion power, they could not kill him using that as their game.

So, the Pharisee game to kill Jesus became one of his claiming a power greater than Rome, which was the Jesus is King theme. Jesus was born on a celestial alignment that told that a King would be born and the star and 3 wise men story stuck, and too many called Jesus King. So, while a loose indictment against Jesus that Pilot tried to sidestep, the rage of the Pharisee forced Pilot to whip Jesus, which was not enough for them, so they nailed him to the tree. Nailing to a tree was for a crime of state, or one against Rome. Stoning was the religion punishment. But, due to some extremely good alignment of things like the Sabboth timing, support from Joseph (an Essene) and Nicodemus (A Pharisee pal of Joseph), being taken down early and so on----he survived the ordeal and moved far away from Jerusalem.

But for various reasons this was embellished, told with too much allegory, and told out of the line of truth that it actually denies Jesus in the present day retelling that sins against him.


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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Are you saying that Jesus never really died? That he was secretly escorted to safety, while others believed him to be entombed?

I had thought of the idea that when his body was anointed by Mary, he was actually removed from the tomb...and nursed back to life elsewhere. Either that, or the Jesus on the cross wasn't Jesus at all, but someone who willingly took his place to ensure the safety of his teacher.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Hi wildtimes you wrote:-
"So...as far as I can tell, so far, it's all still speculation. No one is absolutely certain."
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The title of the tread does not suggest Masons and Essenes are one and the same

"The Masons discovered the highest truth on Jesus and the Essene centuries ago., "

As far as I am aware Masons believe in one God or Creator
All of any religion are welcome but have to leave their particular religion at the door so to speak.
You can be Christian and also a Mason
Yet Masonry is not Christian
At a scholarly and philosophical level a Mason will study say the Essenes
Yet Masons are not Essenes and would never claim to be so though they may find striking similarities

This thread needs a Mason to explain what is meant by they have found the highest truth about Jesus and the Essenes

Any Mason willing to give it a shot is most welcome - Any Masons here???



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Perhaps the resident Masons are reluctant to get into a catfight with the petty zealots of ATS...

After all, there's no winning with a zealot. They use circular logic, using their premise to validate the conclusion.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by wildtimes
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My stuff would look like it belonged in Dr. Seuss compared.

Yeah boy.
And how many people have you converted?



No idea, I don't keep score. People who need Jesus are not trophies to me. KJV will tell ya exactly how many he has led to Christ.


Humm, I guess I missed all this latest flare up. Lots of stuff disappeared, but this little OT snip remains.

But, it appears the subject was "Conversions" and "selling Christianty", which is about Recruitment/Conversion of people from ATS. Which, sounds like it is against the ATS rules.

And these flares and flames are about those interfering with their evangelical story telling for conversions.

Not suppose to use ATS for the conversion business, me thinks.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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In order to be a Freemason, you must believe in a deity, whatever form it takes.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
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Perhaps the resident Masons are reluctant to get into a catfight with the petty zealots of ATS...

After all, there's no winning with a zealot. They use circular logic, using their premise to validate the conclusion.


They would definitely avoid this low level of discussions and mud tossing, and they also are a society with secrets. So, they generally don't spend a lot of time talking to the Zealot class. No Mason is allowed to recruit anyone, not even allowed to ask anyone to become a Mason.

But, if you recognize one and ask they will show you the way to get involved. Definitely a lot of circular logic around these discussions and then outright leaving reality with mircles and items on has to take on faith.

The Masons are Christian receptive, but they try to stay level and not favor one religion over the other. Yet, their highest goal is chasing the ultimate truths / the light of the truth, which comes from history. Some of it comes from the various religions. And they do chase back to a common origin of sorts.

The Masons separate out their Rites into two pathways after you get to the 3 rd Degree or the "Blue Lodge" Level. Then you get to choose the "York Rite" pathway with 12 additional degrees or the "Scottish Rite" with 30 additional degrees. The "York Rite" is for the Christian Orientations and the "Scottish Rite" for everyone else,

They extract a great deal of information from the Mystery Schools, and the Essene did the same things, so they are similar with this regard also. In the search for religion truth, the ultimate light, they chose similar methods. So, the Masons study Pythagoras number shapes and much of the Masonic Symbolism comes from Pythagoras teachings. All the old ways of Hippocrates count. All the Egyptian issues count. Since the Essene found a good deal of the truth, those walking a similar path resemble each others discoveries of truth and history.

The issue back then was the truth didn't fit what the Pharisee tald, and the problem in this day the corrupted church to the Pharisee doesn't agree with this same truth the Masons discovered that matches the truth the Essene and Jesus followed. There are many many similarities for those that seek the trail to the truth and the ultimate set of knowledge on religion.

So, one even finds a lot of overlap of Masons chasing the same truth the Knights Templars were after, and the Templars also mimiced the Essene in dress and being poor. The Masons don't follow to that level of dress and being poor, but they do study all the Templars travels and any learning to gain from that study.

But, the Masons extend brotherly love to all the religions and they have to appear on the level toward all and don't get into rejections of religions. They only agree to follow the trails to the higher knowledge and the untimate of the religious knowledge and understanding.

They have this Apprentice and Master method that is all about teaching how to climb this ladder of old world knowledge.

The Masons also have their Female Branch and it is called the Eastern Star, and this also sounds a good deal like the way the Essene also allowed women. They just segregate things.

Many Masons don't try too hard, but many take the quest for the truth of religion seriously and dig deeper than any organized church preachers. Once they get a little bit of the right ways shown to them, they take off and chase down lots of other history and practice gladly would he learn and gladly would he teach.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
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In order to be a Freemason, you must believe in a deity, whatever form it takes.


Yes, and be of good character. I think they have to vote to accept a candidate. And Vote to promote you up the learning ladder.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
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In order to be a Freemason, you must believe in a deity, whatever form it takes.


As far as I can gather a Freemason has to believe in One God or Creator or Deity Ie Monotheism
Then at a higher level to study the history and roots of that also what Opus says - One has to be of good character initially to be accepted into the lodge
But I am not sure as I am not a Mason
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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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So, what I've been noticing is there are a few that hate the Masons and say as much. Say anything about the Masons being right and it becomes a thrown down war of hate with them.

They attack the Masons with all kinds of false claims, but it appears the Masons claims are in the right and those that attack Mason's methods of learning the old schools of religion are not standing upon truth.

One of their favorite attacks is claim that the Masons worship Lucifer. The Masons really don't worship anything except finding the truth of religion's history. It is a training camp like the old crafts where the Masters teach the apprentices. It is school of religiuos learning and good stewardship toward all religion's Brothers in learning.

Their temples are loaded with all kinds of symbolisms and for each there is a story associated with a real history from the old world. In the school of learning the symbols related to flash back stories of history, much as the old alchemists kept their secrets and highest learned secrets.

This little Lucifer problem began with Jerome's translations of the Greek into Latin New Testament issue. Jerome, in his Vulgate, used the word Lucifer only twice. Once to mean Jesus and Once to mean Satan and the two words differed by only a capital letter.

The perfect translation for Lucifer was the one going from the Greek to the Latin for a Jesus term and it was/is a perfect fit. Those that study the issue would be highly interested in that because that issue of seeking the light and having the better truth would stand out against the other references with Jesus to the truth and light.

For the Masons that would be a valuable lesson to study some of the transliteration issues as that is a prime example. Jerome pretty much screws up the translation of Satan into the same word, as "Venus" would be the better fit because it has to link back to Babylon's evils, which is what Jesus and the Essene complaigned about as corruption of the temple with Satan.

Once anyone considers that simple issue of Lucifer in the correct light, one finds the term fits perfect. Using the correct Latin translation Jesus is Lucifer the bearer of the highest light of truth. The Masons have the high ground and the weight of truth.

But in the same ways that the Pharisee hated Jesus, so do these unschooled Christians that get off on wrong translations and try to wound the elements of truth. Organized Religion hates the Masons because they look at all the religion research from a rational approach and that means no fake up games with miracles and faith.

Real religion research finds zero value in truth seeking from faked up stories of miracles from a primitive people's immagination with lower understandings of the ways of nature. Organized religion has used Faith as a way to misinterpret meanings of religions and send people in the wrong directions.

So, as in the days of Jesus the organized church (Pharisee Temple) hated the Essene and Jesus, and in the present day the organized church oftens hates the Masons and tosses poorly informed insults intended to harm their character and research. It would appear the Masons and the Essene/Jesus have a lot in common with seeking the higher truths, and even the common wording for this process is seeking the light. So, when they get to the top of the Jacobs Ladder they value the symbolism of the all seeing eye with a light of truth.


The Masons don't appear to be after worship of either Satan or Jesus, but are after just doing the work to find the truth so they can make the most informed decisions in life. And we find that valuable as the Mason's insights designed the US Constitution. But, the organized Churches Christians even attack that as some evil intention. It would appear the organized church wants to corrupt the US as much as they have seriously harmed the credibilty of the church.

The main reasons any of this is hidden is because the organized churches fabricated too many false views on religion and when it all comes out the organized church is going to fall from grace and be considered silly and out of touch with truth. The Masons just have to keep what they found in their own community in the same ways the Essene often kept to themselves and were hated when they came forth with the real truth.

It is this issue that Revelations speaks when it predicts the churches will become corrupt against the values of Jesus. Jesus isn't coming to fix things, but the discovery of the truth is bursting out all around and the intolerance of Christian Untruths is making its debut. It is a pretty easy thing to fathom, as John predicted it long ago and knew exactly why the debacle would erupt. Those finding the greater truths are called Raptured into Heaven and the Essene Heaven is on Earth and involves the higher truth and that Heaven brings you closest to God.

The only way to understand what they are saying in those times and learn all you can of the Essene and Jesus, and don't get trapped in the organized churches attempts to shore up its sinking ship. The Organized Church has piloted a ship of fools, and the storm of discontent over their distortions and false issues has water coming over the sides, and the ship of false destiny is sinking.

So, just like the Masons teach-----so others can teach the greater truths and be shown the ways to confront the lies and free one's mind from the false teachings that sin against the values and truths of Jesus. Greater are you that are in the world of truth and the heaven upon the Earth, than the false god of the organized church.

The above is a recast version of 1 John 4:4 that makes the point a little more clearly:





www.biblegateway.com...

1 John 4:4
King James Version (KJV)

4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

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One of the greatest lie propagated by religious people is, God is in full control of everything in this world. To them, there are no accidents. Everything that happened, happened by the will of God. This means if someone is sick, it is the will of God for this person to be sick. Maybe God wants to teach this person a lesson. Maybe God wants him to rest more. Maybe God wants him to spend more time praying. Maybe, maybe, maybe. No matter what the maybes can be, the religious people are sure in one thing, God wanted it to happen. They don’t know for sure why you are sick but they are sure that God is the culprit who caused it. The same is said for traffic accidents, natural disasters, acts of terrorism or any other crisis. They happened because God wanted it. It is the will of God to steal, kill and destroy.




The greatest goal of the organized church is to paralyze people from thinking for themselves and taking part in the stewardship of the Communities. Also, endless promisses about Jesus return, when Jesus true values are supposed to live within you and your duty to man is to operate from the highest truths to make things happen in the best way for the world at large. Not thinking only for yourselfs, but for the benevolence of mankind.


edit on 1-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Finding Jesus within---and paralysis of the people-----the right message within sets you free of the delusions



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Well that explains the title of the thread.
Masons are a group of truth seekers who seek the same truths as groups that went before
Such as
Knights Templar
Essenes
Gnostic's
Hermetics
And many others that span Human History and dare I say some who are contemporary with Masons today who are not known as well as independent individuals
Though one does not have to be a Mason to seek truth - the principles still apply




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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by artistpoet


Well that explains...

Though one does not have to be a Mason to seek truth - the principles still apply

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Prcisely !!!

The process is much like the Scaventer Hunt game, with clues at each stop of the way. But to complete the game of truth seeking, all have to pass down the same roads of truth to reach the finish line.


One of the Mason's big symbols is an adorned Jacob's Ladder, which is about climbing higher while learning the truths to reach into Heaven. A 33rd degree has 33 steps on the ladder. The Essene Distination is Heaven on Earth with everyone knowing the same truth and completing the same scavenger hunt as Jesus.


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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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William Blake's "Jacobs Ladder" painting is beautiful in my opinion.
Souls ascending and descending between Heaven and Earth - greeting and meeting and loving

One's soul is given a certain amount of essence or power
One creates more power for Soul and it is by this power ones soul ascends to it's alloted place
Yet essence diminishes when used for self but expands when used for others
One can truly reach beyond the stars - we all have that potential



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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The title of the tread does not suggest Masons and Essenes are one and the same

"The Masons discovered the highest truth on Jesus and the Essene centuries ago., "

I agree with ya, artistpoet. Just that I looked at the link you provided and found the end of it kinda relevant.

I think the Freemasons DO know stuff that is secret....just like the Essenes had stuff that was secret....
and the Buddhists have stuff that is secret.

The thing that intrigues me is the idea that there are groups of folks who know stuff that the general public does not....those things are reserved for deemed-worthy initiates and students. I would LOVE to be one of those initiates/masters....
and
as a woman, I'm doing my best to find it.

Nevertheless, I believe Jesus was raised among the Essenes, and I am under the impression (based on research), that women were also allowed to study and be considered "masters".



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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Are you saying that Jesus never really died? That he was secretly escorted to safety, while others believed him to be entombed?

I know you weren't talking to me, but.... yeah....
that's what I believe.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 08:01 AM
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Women throughout history have too often been overlooked and subjugated .
I believe in equality so a one sex only secret society to me is only half correct and lacking.

"Lily Maxwell was the first woman to vote in Britain in 1867 after the Great Reform
Act of 1832"

However the wisest people who have influenced my life have been Women and in particular was a woman

I think one of the greatest lies is that of womens influence.
I read once that in Ancient Celtic society it was the wise woman of the community that was held above all else.
Gnostic Christianity's logo for wisdom was female IE Sophia
In Ancient Egypt it was Isis whom held the secrets of Atum the one Creator
it is rarely noted that Thoth the forerunner of Hermes had a female counter being Seshat

Also Dante 1300 poet noted that to know God one has to go through the female.

"O Virgin Mother, Daughter of thy Son,
Lowliest and loftiest of created stature,
Fixed goal to which the eternal councils run,

Though art She by whom our human nature
Was so ennobled that it might become
The Creator to create Himself His creature

Thy sides were made a shelter to relume
The Love whose warmth within the timeless peace
Quickened the seed of this immortal bloom;

High noon of charity to those in bliss,
And upon earth, to men in mortal plight,
A living spring of hope, thy presence is

Lady, so great thou art and such thy might
The seeker after grace who shuns thy knee
May aim his prayer, but fails to wing the flight

etc etc



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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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Take it all back to Semiramis of Babylon.



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