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The Masons discovered the highest truth on Jesus and the Essene centuries ago.

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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Isaiah 14:12, the word in the Hebrew for "Lucifer" is:

הֵילֵל (Heylel)

Heylel ~ Hebrew

"How (EYK) art thou fallen (NAPHAL) from heaven (MIN) (SHAMAYIM), O Lucifer (HEYLEL),son of the morning! (SHACHAR) art thou cut down (GADA) to the ground (ERETS)which didst weaken (CHALASH) (AL) the nations (GOY)" ~ Isaiah 14:12

The word is the same in Arabic. "Hilal" (new moon/half moon/crescent)

Hilal ~ Arabic

The moon is NOT a star. It only bears the light of our star, the Sun. It has no capabilities to produce it's own light, it only reflects the light of the Sun. It 'bears the light". The translators replaced the only time satan's name is used in the Bible (Isaiah 14:12) with a title Christ uses for Himself in the Book of Revelation.


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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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In A.D. 382 Pope Damascus commissioned the scholar Jerome to make an official revision of the Latin versions of the Bible that were floating around in the Catholic Church. Jerome went off to a cave in Bethlehem where he proceeded to make his translation, supposedly based on the Hebrew text, but in practice based very largely on the Septuagint version (i.e. "LXX") that Origen had produced about 140 years earlier while in Caesarea. (The truth about the LXX is another subject that I have discussed in a separate paper.)


The dude who wrote the blog you linked is high on crack. Origen didn't translate the Septuagint (LXX), it was translated in 270 BC. 3 centuries before Christ was born. It was translated in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah.

Don't look to dude's blogs for a reliable source. Not a good idea.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Wow, your source also screws up a Hebrew root word for "praise" that is spelled similar ("Halal"). It's one of the 7 types of praise used in Davidic worship. The spelling is similar, but the words carry totally different meanings. "Halal" is a "foolish dance of praise" like what David did before the ark when it was returned to Jerusalem. The word "halleluyah" (Praise ye YHVH) comes from this base word. It means "to be clear, to shine, to boast, show, to rave, celebrate, to be clamorously foolish."

HAHA, please, stay away from blogs written by dudes that are ignorant to Semitic languages.




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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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I guess you could say that Lucifer was the alter-ego of Jesus, the impulsive animal side by which we learn through mistakes, which he overcame (thus become "Christ") before he became famous...probably during the 20 or so years of his life that are mysteriously absent from the Bible.

That may not be exactly right, but you can't really say it's wrong either...
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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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The perverters of the Bible took out "Hylel" (Lucifer in the Latin) from the only place it's mentioned in the Bible and replaced it with a title Christ uses for Himself in Revelation. "Morning Star". The highest form of blasphemy imaginable. The moon isn't a star. It only reflects or "bears" the light from our star, the Sun. Also "serpent" in Hebrew is "Nachash", the noun usage came to mean "snake or serpent" from the text of Genesis, but the verb usage means something striking...

"Shining".

Now the Genesis story doesn't seem so ridiculous, if a "shining" entity deceived Eve in the garden, not some talking snake.


"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

2 Corinthians 11:14


These characters such as the Serpent are far older than Genesis.
History is written by the victors and one new religion demonizes the one it conquers
Yet all religions are a distortion
Before religion comes learning and Philosophy
Serpent and many other logos and symbols were used as a teaching devices in more ancient civilizations
As the saying goes - Knowledge is power - So religion being what it is uses knowledge for it's own perversion of truth. Everything eventually gets corrupted
You have to go back to the source and see the truth in Nature both on Earth and in the Heavens
But most of all in Human Nature



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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Religion is one massive, tangled web that consists of metaphors of metaphors of loose translations of more metaphors.

The trick is to find the most original meaning you can find that doesn't originate with this planet and fits quite snugly with very, very mad science. And while that doesn't sound the most reliable, remember...everything that we consider reliable, is either destroying this planet even as it supports us, or will ultimately fail us in the long run.

When modern logic and moral proves to solve only half the problem, you must find answers in the ridiculous, closure in the unlikely, and peace in the bizarre. Because in all honesty, the truth we take for fantasy really is stranger than the fiction we take for truth.

And that, my friends, is a fact.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Well, remember Genesis was penned by Moses. The "story" of Genesis goes back to the first two humans. Before scripture was written the plan of God was told via the Mezzeroth, or the Hebrew constellations. Quite a few things were corrupted by men from the time of Adam till Moses. The Hebrews always told the story of man and redemption by the constellations, from the names of the brightest stars in them down to the dimmest.

I imagine much was corrupted all throughout the world, many stories are out there.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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The Cathars have been a source of interest to me.

And due to a young lad I know who had some memories return, felines.

starwars.wikia.com...

Seems something interesting that was put in Starwars.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by MagnumOpus
 


I guess you could say that Lucifer was the alter-ego of Jesus, the impulsive animal side by which we learn through mistakes, which he overcame (thus become "Christ") before he became famous...probably during the 20 or so years of his life that are mysteriously absent from the Bible.

That may not be exactly right, but you can't really say it's wrong either...
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You are getting very close. Check Jerome's two uses of Lucifer/lucifer in the Latin Vulgate. One capitalized the other not. Satan gets the capital L and Jesus the small l. Jerome noticed the issue obviously, as do others that study seriously. Jerome causes a propagating error.

This site by Frank W. Nelte explains it, so read slowly and carefully:




This has been massaged a bit to make it easier to grasp.

www.israelofgod.org...

Citation English: 2 Peter 1:19 reads : "...until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts."

From 2 Peter 1:19 Here "Day Star" means "Phosphoros" (Greek) means lucifer (Latin--small l per Jerome) and translates to Jesus in the Vulgate. Greek Source: Phos (=light) + phero (=to bear or carry)= Latin Lucifer

Citation Latin: "...donec dies elucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris."

The English NT translation omits Jerome's use of lucifer for Jesus. But this is the more excellent translation for lucifer, and the John citations support use of the term light for Jesus. It is supported by:

•John 8:12 = "I am the light of the world..."
•John 3:19 = "...that light is come into the world..."
•John 1:4 - 8 = "...in Him was...the light of men..."
•John 12:36 = "...believe in the light..." etc., etc..




But with Old Testament Isaiah 14:12 Jerome takes "Haylel" (Morning Star Hewbrew) to Lucifer (Latin-capital L), and this is consistent between the Vulgate and the English translation. Morning star is also Venus and Nimrod.

In the Vulgate, Jesus and Satan are the same word, only differing due to case.




It is something only the serious scholars discover, and Masons are generally serious scholars and the top study people discovered Jesus is lucifer, the day star.

The issue was that Jesus and company sought to replace the bad issues of Satan the Sun god of the Old Testament, with his more pious interpretations of what god is and isn't in the pious sense.

It is this central theme that constantly screws up the issues of many attempting to make Jesus god, after the theme of the Pagan Sun Worship problems that Jesus called Satan.

It should be clearer, but the transleteration errors generated errors down the road---propagating errors.

Technically, the best translations yield Jesus is Lucifer, bearer of light and truth. And Satan's translation was a bad one, but should go back to Sun god, Venus, and the symbols of Pagan Sun worship of Tammuz.


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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Isaiah 14:12, the word in the Hebrew for "Lucifer" is:

הֵילֵל (Heylel)

Heylel ~ Hebrew

"How (EYK) art thou fallen (NAPHAL) from heaven (MIN) (SHAMAYIM), O Lucifer (HEYLEL),son of the morning! (SHACHAR) art thou cut down (GADA) to the ground (ERETS)which didst weaken (CHALASH) (AL) the nations (GOY)" ~ Isaiah 14:12

The word is the same in Arabic. "Hilal" (new moon/half moon/crescent)

Hilal ~ Arabic

The moon is NOT a star. It only bears the light of our star, the Sun. It has no capabilities to produce it's own light, it only reflects the light of the Sun. It 'bears the light". The translators replaced the only time satan's name is used in the Bible (Isaiah 14:12) with a title Christ uses for Himself in the Book of Revelation.


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In the study of Jerome we don't care about Arabic meanings. All that is misleading nonsense. You could not think logically in a million years. Always some rediculos distractions to mislead people.

The NT Source was in Greek. Jerome changed the Greek to Latin, which was called the Vulgate. The Vulgate was not perfect and had translation issues and propagation of error issues.

Jerome translated Jesus into lucifer, which is the better of the translations. And Jerome botched up the translation of Satan in going to Lucifer.

The Vulgate has some problems.


As Usual, you are upside down trying to make down look like up.

Technically speaking, considereing the most correct of the Vulgate translations-----the Mason's have the best translation in mind and that is Jesus=lucifer.

And the Masons have shown you up again with being bright and informed.


In the translation business, the issues of Pagan Sun god and Pious bearer of truth/Jesus are often confused.

Jesus didn't want to play god, he only wanted to teach people the better and most pious way, and the Pharisee hated him for doing that.




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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Yeah..

I'd rather trust the Hebrew language than some boner with a blog who screws up the words "Heylel" and "Halel" and thinks Origen wrote the Septuagint when he was a 2nd century person and the LXX was translated from Hebrew to Greek in 270 BC. The Arabic even has the same word for "crescent moon".

(Pssssst, Arabic and Hebrew are both Semitic languages
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In the study of Jerome we don't care about Arabic meanings.


Forget Jerome, go back 1,000 years. Isaiah was written LOOOOONG before Jerome screwed up the Latin version from the Greek. Isaiah was penned some 150 years before King Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon.




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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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This site by Frank W. Nelte explains it, so read slowly and carefully:


That's some random dude's blog who shows his extreme ignorance to Hebrew and Semitic languages. And history by claiming Origen authored the LXX which was translated 410 years earlier than Origen.

He's a moron. That's why you never source blogs for anything.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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Each has a purpose for being on Earth
There is a plan within that plan is flexibility
It has to be so to allow choice
Each has a link to their Higher Intelligence
It is one's own inner guide
Yet because all face indoctrination that choice or inner guide is often silenced

Earth is a first step of the soul's evolving
Souls can spend many lifetimes in this process
Between lifetimes the soul dwells in realms that are in a way in plain view but hidden and beyond any Human tampering with
Yet these realms are merely transitory for once a soul evolves from Earth it enters the true realms of soul ready for the next stage

Many souls have already evolved beyond transitory realms and choose to incarnate on Earth
Many evolved souls originate from other star systems
They come naturally and are born as all Humans are born and face the same indoctrinations
Once and if they overcome the indoctrinations of Man then they take on their true nature
They are messengers and teachers and come in many guises
Jesus was such a messenger and so too many others
Some come to play supporting roles from the humble to more public

Every Human Being is divine in their true nature
There is a purpose why all are here



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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I think the more accurate sentiment would be that everyone has a purpose, and that purpose is to do their best, using whatever skills they possess, in order to ascend as a race.

The problem with that is, making sure they are not distracted by materialism. The entire race must balance between material and immaterial, science and spirituality. It is necessary to create machines that help us survive, and there is plenty of room to create science that will make surviving much easier...but to the end that we are able to focus on spirituality and understanding our cause better.

What is our cause? Where are we going? We are learning. Because when you have everything, and can do everything, like the Infinite Creator...there is nothing that pleases you more than watching your creation succeed in freedom. No worship, no threats, no lines that must be followed to ensure everlasting life...just success in freedom.

That's what a god wants from its creations. The know that it succeeded in creating something that doesn't need divine intervention to thrive. And the greatest joy is in seeing what it becomes on its own...how it reaches the finish line. Because no good parent wants their child to follow in their footsteps.

Success in freedom. And that's why I have a problem with the Christian god...according to the Holy Bible, the highest authority on Christianity, God wants the exact opposite of that. And I don't care what anyone else thinks...

To me, that isn't a god. That's a pathetic, powerful bully playing at being a god. And I will never respect nor worship such a being. It's time the rest of you woke up and realized that it would be healthier to abandon that doctrine. The doctrine of debasing and demeaning yourself in order to find hope. How does lowering yourself to the level of a worm bring you salvation? That is the mark of a tyrant. That is the legacy of the oppressed.

Leave behind the old scriptures, the literal interpretations and the strict knife-edge life-style that the traditional Catholics adhere to. Take only the most valuable of lessons, then allow the message to morph into the shape it once had, but was beyond our understanding. Once it evolves to take on it's full, detailed form...you will see the truth.

The Bible was only temporary, but we continue to use the scrappy blanket to cover ourselves from the rain, the same old charred worn suit to protect us from the fire. It's no use, you have to give it up. Otherwise, you will fall by default. No one ever grew by clinging to their old teachers, or by reading the same book over and over, or by staying in the same place their whole lives. Change is necessary for growth. Deny that change, and you doom your future. You will never truly fly.

Just saying.

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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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This site by Frank W. Nelte explains it, so read slowly and carefully:


He's a moron. That's why you never source blogs for anything.



I see you are off calling people names again that embarrass you with some old fashion serious research.

This one is a Minister from South Africa that likes to do real study, and he didn't even try to loose things by side-stepping into Arabic to go from Greek to Latin.

I'd call that highly intelligent.

And since you are into more name calling, you the lesser.

Between the Masons and the Ministers after the light bearer, you are lost and not respected.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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I so agree with your post
Very interesting perspective
Yes we are individuals with our own way of expressing that individuality yet we know we are deeply connected also
Yes I believe the original Creator gave us the gift of a small part of itself to use as we will and delights in our expression
and use of the potential we have been given but maybe also sighs at our folly
Lol - A bit like the story of the Bible where a rich man gives his sons coins - you know the one?


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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Forget Jerome, go back 1,000 years. Isaiah was written LOOOOONG before Jerome screwed up the Latin version from the Greek. Isaiah was penned some 150 years before King Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon.




So, OT Isaiah was speaking about Satan and Jerome translating it to Latin. He makes OT Satan into Lucifer.

Then makes NT Jesus into lucifer.


The NT was written in Arabic, nor Hebrew, all those complaints of nonsense. Hebrew and Arabic are not the same.

Jerome took NT Greek into Latin with no stops into Arabic to get there.

Such means the Jesus-lucifer is a high quality translation from “Phosphoros” (Greek) into "lucifer" (Latin) with precisely the same meanings. Perfect Translation.

And the Masons have you jumping out of the pot and into the fire. They were the most correct, and like to use that little issue to teach people.

You, on the other hand, appear more aiming at deceiving people.


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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Where the son runs away....and when he comes back, dejected and morose from having experienced the real world, the father throws a party because he is just happy to have his son back.

Somehow, I think it was a subliminal message meant to impart that we will not want to leave the old ways...and that if we do, we are always welcome back, and that coming back is more beneficial that staying away. Maybe not. I don't know.



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