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Methane Gas Leak in Arctic Throws Scientists a Climate Change Curveball

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Why is it, I wonder, that a thread that, even in its title, is outright trolling, is not removed?




posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Eat mor chiken!

I guess one could go vegetarian and reduce the demand for cows but every time I've tried, I tend to suffer gas. I am afraid to eat the fish these days. I can take only so much chicken, and they fart, too.

There is no hope...either I go, or the planet goes...



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Some like to make fun of new agers or hippies I just smile and wish them the best in their denial phases for 1 can understand denial and how fear triggers it..



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Here's a link to an abstract of a study that was published in the April 22nd, 2012 release of Nature Geoscience. The abstract, "Study Finds Surprising Arctic Methane Emission Source" was published by JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory at CalTech) on that same day. Those who prefer not to click on links can find it there.

"A new airborne study with NASA contributions measured surprising levels of the potent greenhouse gas methane coming from cracks in Arctic sea ice and areas of partial sea ice cover."

www.jpl.nasa.gov...

As a side note, I'm a little disappointed by the lack of Cheech 'n' Chong references here considering the title of this thread. After all, "Who is this is?"

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Aww, the anti-hippie title was changed I see, making my quote from "Up In Smoke" irrelevant.
edit on 25-4-2012 by BULLPIN because: References to tree-hugging hippies weeping were removed from the thread's title



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Really? Warm water makes cold water warmer than the original warm water? I've never had that happen in my bathtub. Interesting science you're using.

By the way, any climate change that is occurring is caused by the SUN.


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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Really? Warm water makes cold water warmer than the original warm water? I've never had that happen in my bathtub. Interesting science you're using.

By the way, any climate change that is occurring is caused by the SUN.


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warm currents below the cooler water yes pull the cold water which effects weather patterns like elnina / el nino which can then cause the ocean cool water to warm up which melts methan frozen in oceans and ice caped areas. As the ice caped areas melt the the water cools down the currents which then offsets the weather into cold or ice age. Now break those original currents and the weather WILL change in effected current modified areas. Also yes SOL is effecting as well as its heat rays are being trapped and reflected from the green house gases & radiation particals. I am not trying to make you look bad I was adding.

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Methane Gas Causes Arctic Melting:


Humans might not be to blame for the latest piece of news that has caused new concerns about global warming. A newly-discovered, naturally occuring methane leak over the Arctic Ocean could play a role in future climate change, according to a NASA scientist.

www.usnews.com...

I am glad the scientific community is finally accepting that all of that global warming nonsense was crazy!




What a horrible misreading of what the article actually says.

Nothing in the article brings into question global warming one way or the other.

And in fact they point out the methane leak was opened up by the warming climate which is melting the ice field which once capped it!
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by SheeplFlavoredAgain
Eat mor chiken!

I guess one could go vegetarian and reduce the demand for cows but every time I've tried, I tend to suffer gas. I am afraid to eat the fish these days. I can take only so much chicken, and they fart, too.

There is no hope...either I go, or the planet goes...


This GOD DAMNED ARTICLE ISNT TALKING ABOUT #ING COWS!



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM


Really? Warm water makes cold water warmer than the original warm water? I've never had that happen in my bathtub. Interesting science you're using.



Holy cripes, man? Are you trolling, or what?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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You know what, with all the ways man screws up we may accidentally do something that fixes our atmosphere. It may be that we somehow set off the madrid fault with all the fracking which causes a new crystal formation to form and the oozing rock from the fissures creates a fix for the earth's magnetosphere. Man's mistakes sometimes cause the earth to repair itself. Man is part of nature and maybe his creating viruses and bacteria that we can't fight is good after all. A tornado can blow apart the lab and disperse these things that hurt humans only. All but a hundred men and women die and the earth can renew itself. This last choice is probably what mother nature should choose. I'll See you all in Helsinki.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Chill out, I was replying to someone's joke about cow flatulence...at least I thought I was. I don't think I'm still on the thread I thought I was that seemed tongue in cheek about hippies. Every now and again we have a bit of levity on these threads. I meant no offense or derailment.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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did you really just compare the ocean to a bathtub, and use that to "debunk" the statement? Now that is classic



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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In the long run the planet will be fine.

Changing climate isnt a threat to the planet its only a threat to us humans. Specifically, poor humans who cant afford to either move or adapt.

The presence of enormous amounts of methane stored in permafrost thats now thawing isn't new, its just not widely publicised. When it releases and it looks like its starting too the effect will be large.

Why is permafrost melting in the first place releasing methane stored for millenia? Thats the question. If its part of a natural cycle then the money being spent on preventing human climate effect would be better spent on hardening infrastructure against change thats inevitable anyway.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Wow what an epic thread fail.


Humans might not be to blame for the latest piece of news that has caused new concerns about global warming. A newly-discovered, naturally occuring methane leak over the Arctic Ocean


The "naturally occuring" methane leak is due to a warming Arctic - which is being caused by man.


This is just more proof of the feedback cycle relationship between CO2, temperature AND methane - and it's just more proof that man-made global warming is even worse than we thought.



I swear, as the evidence for global warming continues to grow and grow the arguments made by deniers just continue to get more and more ignorant.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
I've posted this numerous times on ATS. Global warming and the CO2 are NOT an immediate threat to humanity and Earth!

However as a species we are messing this planet up. Pollution of our waters, deforestation/desertification, and over fishing are more immediate threats to our existence. Any competent scientist knows this.

The reason why all we hear about it global warming is because the UN and others are trying to push their carbon credit scam that will do absolutely nothing to help the health of our planet, but it will make a few of the elite very wealthy.


you said what i do, did, and do... its not CO2 and CO2 extortion = depopulation.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by mc_squared
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Wow what an epic thread fail.


Humans might not be to blame for the latest piece of news that has caused new concerns about global warming. A newly-discovered, naturally occuring methane leak over the Arctic Ocean


The "naturally occuring" methane leak is due to a warming Arctic - which is being caused by man.


This is just more proof of the feedback cycle relationship between CO2, temperature AND methane - and it's just more proof that man-made global warming is even worse than we thought.

I swear, as the evidence for global warming continues to grow and grow the arguments made by deniers just continue to get more and more ignorant.



no, its more likely caused by oil and gas leaks from drilling reclesly... Big Problem style.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by biggmoneyme
aren't all the planets experiencing global warming or is that some rubbish? if it is the case then it's the sun causing it


Yes all the planets have been warming up. The sun is not the cause, but will just add to that with all the cme's and other stuff the sun like to throw at us.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by reitze
its more likely caused by oil and gas leaks from drilling reclesly... Big Problem style.


Even though the article clearly states this is a natural leak?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by reitze
its more likely caused by oil and gas leaks from drilling reclesly... Big Problem style.


Even though the article clearly states this is a natural leak?


There are huge deposits of clathrate ice (frozen methane) on the seabed under the arctic ice. Also, there's a huge natural gas (methane) leak near England right now - blanketing that area to prevent thermal radiation of the sort that normall exists in that area - so no wonder the arctic ocean area is leaking methane... and yea it could be the feared global tipping point.

But again CO2 extortion would be a means to depopulation, not toward fixing the REAL... BIG PROBLEM - of massive pollution during drilling.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Yes the mayans, solar flares, planet x, global warming, elenin, second coming!!!! people believe every doom and gloom fearmonger garbage they hear. People once believed the gods were going to kill them because of the way they lived and now people believe cows will kill them because they fart. How dumb can humans get. Everyday of every year is prophesied for doom and when one doesnt happen another pops up to replace it. people and animals are great filters. I wonder how much methane dinosaurs produced a day.




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