My 7 year old suspened for "sexual harassment"

reply to post by TKDRL


I can see your point that most politicians are rich.

I consider politicians at least career ones a separate type of rich.

I believe those who can do, and those who can't become politicians.

So the rich that I am referring to that just want their kids to have a good education and the rich politicians that got that way by living off the people and wish to maintain their power are separate groups in my eyes.

I've known a few "rich" people in my day 100k a year to 1-3 million a year.
They avoid politics like the plague, at least office, they are more than willing to share their opinions if asked.
They just tend to avoid stumping for politicians, trying to get on city council, comptroller boards etc...

I can only speak to my experience and the upper limit of that is a few low multimillionaires, and many more politicians I have met.
A few city council string pullers even tried to persuade me to run and I was only 22.
They said a young college student who ran the middle would be a breath of fresh air and other BS.
Before the night was over they were already talking of what pet projects of theirs I could help.

From my experience it's the politicians and string pullers that hold more power than the super rich.
They can't make it in the private sector so they either become politicians, or pull the strings of politicians to help themselves.
Those who can are too busy actually doing to look up from their work bench(or office desk) to notice.

reply to post by Xaphan


I'd say these issues are more a demonstration of the perversions of the minds of those throwing about the accusations. As you say and, as is so patently obvious, no 7 year old has developed sexually (physically, mentally or emotionally) - only a deviant adult mind could describe infants' conduct as sexual.

If I was the OP, and in this position, I'd be asking some serious questions re the suitability for the job of those teaching my child and demanding they subject themselves to background checks in view of their misguided accusations and thought processes.

Originally posted by Elentarri
Some private schools are worse than government schools. It's like choosing between sharks and piranhas.

To the OP

Some private schools are worse, there were aspects of mine that were horrible which I have already spoken too.
There were also aspects that were far better than public school(at least my local public schools).
It still gives the parent a little more say in what goes on.

Public or Private schools, it really just takes very active parent/s who are willing to raise their kids right at home, and yell at teachers and Principles when the child needs defending.

reply to post by Xaphan


i get so angry about all of this it makes me also incredibly sad. There are an incredible amount of lawsuits against Arpaio and AZ. which actually makes it harder to get your case heard if you wanna protest or appeal, because of the glut of law suits, because of Arpaio's "Birther" crap and countless hypes where he's hyping himself and endless other complaints and suits against him everything moves incredibly slow... Yes, they arrested him 4 years after the incident, and he sat in Maricopa county jail until his 18th birthday where at 2 oclock in the morning he was brought before a judge and it was deemed he would be charged as an adult (2005) and it has been a continous battle every since. This has caused all sorts of psychological problems concerning my son - After one of his sucide attempts they just loaded him with prozac which altered his personality into someone else that friends and family didn't recognize (he was taken off of it)... Also, The leading Prosector and two aides in Maricopa have just been disbarred last week... The judicial system in this country is insane... Please excuse any grammar or typos as i am slamming my fingers on my keyboard now

Short answer...Get a lawyer. Sue the little girl's parents for sexual harassment for allowing their child to show her hiney. But seriously, get a lawyer.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
I'm just not buying it. Pulling up a girls pants no matter what age is a pretty personal thing to do. It's easier to just point it out, I'm sure she could help herself. I think most likely he wasn't trying to help anything. There's just no reason to pull up another girls pants for her. It's weird.

See my post above. If your analysis is correct, most of the lads I grew up with are 'weird' borderline sexual predators. Yet most of them are married with kids and remain as well adjusted as the next guy. Kids have yanked pants, ties, trousers, hair etc. for ages. If there's some physical contact someone, somewhere, will say it's sexual.

But what about childhood play that actually does have a sexual, or at least gender based, theme? What about the 'you show me yours and I'll show you mine' games? Doctors and nurses? You didn't play these games? I did. I was intrigued at a young age to see what girls had down their pants. As they were with mine. It was all slightly bashful and unsure but neither I nor any other kid felt forced (as far as I could tell from their smiling chuckles). It was a choice to join in or not. No one I know has seen those childhood intrigues develop into anything more than normal interest in the other side.

And to be honest, I'd rather kids have some kind of experience among themselves before being subjected to the agenda that is school sex education. I'd already learned everything I needed to know before the school teacher got the banana out, supplemented by the porn mags that some mystery person has been leaving in the bushes of UK primary schools for the last few decades.

reply to post by Pigraphia


Yeah I agree, I broad brushed it. I have done work on many rich people's houses, about 1/4 of them were really great people, about 1/2 I never even met, and about 1/4 of them were elitist pricks. I did a lot of work in areas like greenwich ct, a majority of my work was done on multimillion dollar houses.

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by Xaphan

 

I'd say these issues are more a demonstration of the perversions of the minds of those throwing about the accusations. As you say and, as is so patently obvious, no 7 year old has developed sexually (physically, mentally or emotionally) - only a deviant adult mind could describe infants' conduct as sexual.

Exactly what I was thinking. When he did this he probably wasn't even doing it for any sexually motivated reasons. I certainly wasn't thinking about sexual matters at seven. I was still too busy being a kid.

However, I should point out that kids are hitting puberty at increasingly early ages. I hit puberty at nine, and that was in 1996. So who knows.

reply to post by coop039


You’re in the states, wouldn’t surprise me if they try suing you! I feel for you and your lad, I have a 7 year old and if a kid did that to my daughter at school and the school board called me in, id tell them to stop wasting my bloody time! And focus on the real issues BULLYING!!!! And bad teaching!
Even if he did wedgie her SO what! That’s not sexual harassment! Makes my blood boil I tell you.

Regards Jay

reply to post by coop039

Actually in this case she should either talk to the girl's parents or even find a good lawyer. Hopefully the girl's parents are smart enough to understand what you are trying to say. Tho honestly I'm not sure about the local media, because to grab your kid to media wouldn't be a good idea before he completely understands why you doing this, what's happening to him and the whole thing. Cause lots of 'victims' parents' dragged their kids to the media before those kids actually realizing what is going on here. That could harm their mind as well.

Secondly I think you need to have a proper talk to your son, tell him if he did that as he said then it's a right thing to do to help others. But definitely let him know making fun of people is wrong (so if he didn't do that for fun then it's no harm to let him know once again that never mistreat people for any reason, and if he did that to help her he wouldn't stop helping people in the future either).

Then, talk to the school. Get tough.

Personally I don't think a 7-year-old knows what sex is, no to mention the sexual harassment. this's quite disturbing to me an adult(one of you) who truly want kids being kids when they can. If the kid is actually trying to help the girl, punishment will lead him to be an ignorant person eventually. That's very sad.

I have to correct here, that not just American education system but also in my own country(China) or some other places, it's all the same. But in the other hand, in school situation it's very hard to do as well since the media spread different kinds of info to everywhere, you have to be careful with children since you can't always tell who's the young Manson.(OP, i'm not comparing your son with Manson i'm having one example in general.) Kids earlier behavior, could lead them to being normal people or serial killers or criminals. You can't deny this part. But school should definitely collect evidence before they make such "harsh" decisions. This's called RESPONSIBILITY TO KIDS, that we pay for the education we deserve a better solution. And apparently school didnt know which side they should believe(sometimes could be really hard) and obviously they chose 'wick side' to stand up for. If that so, I think you should talk to school as well and clearly tell them your opinion and you will not give up on your son especially when he's not doing anything wrong.

ps, my husband is so unhappy about this because he said he used to play 'catch n kiss' was kinda sweet memories to him ;p

well thank ...


The Pro Conservative Republicans For this One !!

Patriot Act .... Law Makers Ran with it ,,, and Made Other ridiculous laws that sided with This Patriot Act

Ive Never Heard this before the Bush Administration ... They are Degrees

Seriously ..... they want this 7 year old Child to have a Psychic evaluation ...

just for Pull back up a Child Pants Up ... because The Girl was exposing her ass crack .....

it a Level of Degrees


Fear is Running Amok ... and the Labeling to Ruin needs to Stop ....


You want Advice Expose this to everyone in your Neighborhood ,Town, City !! Town Meetings ,,
The News Papers News Media Reports (Local News Channel ) You Tube , Video Sites
Especially expose this to Other Country's that do not have these Kind of Problems / Issues

as In here Send the Message ..... OUT
But.... If your Absolulty Sure, without a Doubt know that your Son wasn't in the Wrong

Even if he was .. its kind of HARSH .. for a 7 year old that is Still Learning the basics of Livelihood ...

reply to post by coop039


You listen and listen good. Next time you see them get invite them in and tell them that that is your son and aint no one taking him away. That is steve wilkos saying that and he is a cop. Tell them you are going to protect your child no matter what. Think I am playing. These people dont listen for nothing. They respond to intimidation. I would look at the workers badge and say their name loud and clear and say Im going to remember that. I aint ever going to forget that. Buy a couple issues of NRA and ask them if they wanna do some lite reading along with your bible. Stand the freak up for yourself or your kid will get taken. Take it from me I used to be one of those kids. Then I had a kid put food in his stomach and shelter over his head and got him into sports. He was 8 and had his "sexual harassment" thing and they showed up I did everything I just told you to do and told them that the boy is eight and curious bout girls, just like he should be. He needs to be told what is right and what is wrong and that is what I am here for not you. Now get the hell off my property and dont ever step foot on it again. And cock your gun. And I did it all in front of my lawyer, the case worker and the law.

How silly! I'm very sorry you have to go through this.

I think perhaps your son should have had a talk with the teacher and a note home so that you could decide an appropriate punishment, if any.
Talk about detentions or suspensions if he kept doing it.

I would recommend you provide you're own physc evaluation from you're own expert witness who you are paying for your self as well as the one the school is providing at least then you have a seperate point of view from that of the state sponsored "expert"that you can present at any future hearing.

I'm curious as to what would have happened if it were another little girl that did this, as opposed to a little boy. Would it still be deemed 'sexual harassment'? Or, would it be seen as two little kids doing what little kids do? Why should there be any difference in regards to the sex of the alleged perpetrator? Many people believe that gay people are born that way, so what if the little girl were gay? Or, (and I'm not saying this is the case, here) what if your son were gay? Doesn't there have to be some form of intent, that is sexual in nature, for it to be classified as a 'sexual offence'?

I mean, if he were pulling her pants down, against her will, so he could do something she did not want (or even did, I guess), I may understand the schools concern much better. But, to be pulling them up? What the hell? How is that seen as him doing it with any kind of sexual intent? The mind boggles.

Good luck, and I hope this incident does not scar both of these children for life because of over reactive, drama craving, adults, who in my opinion, are the ones that should be punished.

I am glad reading these stories i live in the Netherlands.

Ive bit an piece of meat out of somebody's arm
Played doctor with girls on school, while in class etc.
haha Ive should have bin all medicated by now if I where an American

At the time I was just learning the write at school, so don't know how old i was at the time.


But the behavior of me above was an indicator of my life's path



Ohw to the OP. I really hope your son stays out of the arms of government. Talk about bad boys, there they are


I think its time to educate your children, about the dangers of walking out of line. Teach them not to be afraid, but to be smart. They are al gentle appearing enemies government employees. Life is more and more a game. I have thought my son these things from very early age. He is going to gymnasium, so no harm done. 1step before university at 12years old. I am a proud dad, telling/ teaching my son reality.

When I was that young there was this bigger kid who used to threaten to beat me up all the time after school. He would say tonight your gonna get it, every day. I ended up telling my parents who told me to stand up for myself, but after punching him out I had no problem after that.

When I was in high school there was this maths teacher who hated my shirt hanging out all the time because I refused to pay her any attention. One day she took me in front of the class and physically tucked it in for me as though my mum would have. I actually considered that sexual harrassment.

reply to post by coop039


People have become such puritans!
So what if one child did something on purpose or not. They are only children.
I hate it when the the teachers act like they havent the slightest kind of education in child psychology.
From what I can understand (I am no kind of doctor) they must have some kind of serious problems at home and all they do is take it out on the children.
Maybe THEY should be reevaluated instead of the small ones to see if they are fit to work where they do.

Sheesh!!! Did they forget when they played doctors when they were young???

I think a young girls butt crack showing IS sexual harrassment

Just read the opening post. SHOCKING!

First of all I wouldn't comply with anything they want, at the risk of getting myself jailed. As soon as you comply you're admitting to your 7 year old's "sexual harrassment." There was no harrassment, sexual or any other kind. Nothing happened worthy of any sort of report, or suspension.

Flipping heck, are they all crazy? Don't they realise reporting a little matter like this can do more damage to your child in the long term than some little girl upset because someone spotted her backside hanging out and covered it up for her.

Don't comply. Ignore the letters or whatever you get, but keep writing to your school and ask when this stupid suspension is over. Laugh at their stupidity. If you have the time, do some home schooling.