posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 09:26 PM
Originally posted by MaxmarsI am certain that I risk offending you, but it is a risk I will take.
I do not offend easy – I respect that to the layperson enhanced interrogation may seem harsh. Also, the profession of arms is not for everyone.
Not everyone can deal with the circumstances of combat in which they may find themselves.
Originally posted by MaxmarsYour 'training' experiences with water boarding are unlikely to be relevant... unless you are prepared to
tell us that you didn't know you were being trained and it lasted for more than 10 minutes.
Well, I don’t know if you went to SERE school or not but I assure you may know its “training” but I assure you it is real enough.
Originally posted by MaxmarsAbject fear of restraint and suffocation only have true experiential impact if they are done "for
OK then let me know where you are in U2U and I will come conduct a training exercise in resistance to interrogation and we’ll see if I can’t
really induce panic and fear… I conducted R2I training in the US and in England also for SF, Brits in the Regiment, and other operators in special
mission units. I guarantee for men who were “harder than woodpecker lips” we managed to take each one to his breaking point – in training.
These are men trained in the toughest schools and given the hardest missions i doubt you would fair better.
Originally posted by MaxmarsBut as I said, perhaps they gave you a "training" secret you were not to divulge... how long did you
I really can’t remember how many days or hours –not many since the trainers can make time seem infinite. Longer than some not as long as others
but I was deemed to have “passed”. My personal weakness was enclosed spaces – didn’t take them long to figure it out either.
Originally posted by MaxmarsI have some small modicum of knowledge in POW training... yes you will talk - if that is the objective. But
most captors are not moronic enough to think that foot soldiers and those likely to be captured actually have 'essential - time critical' information
which merits breaking international law...
On this point you are correct – certainly you don’t think we are off water boarding all the foot soldiers (or their equivalents) do you? Enhanced
interrogation is only done on key individuals after all other methods have been tried. Do you realize what level of authorization one needs to
conduct a session? You don’t have Soldiers or even Generals (or anyone in between) making the decision to use water boarding. I have used it only
in controlled situations and under intense supervision by medical personnel who cab, will and have pulled the plug on an operation if they think the
subject is going to endure permanent harm.
Originally posted by MaxmarsI don't go around vilifying people who do this only because I have enough of an imagination to understand
that all rules have an exception... and for some specific circumstances there are appropriate responses that cannot be made generally acceptable.
However, not calling this what it - torture - smacks of the "newspeak" mentality that distills "acceptable words" as a substitute from "unacceptable
I appreciate that – most don’t draw the same line though. It is never something undertaken lightly or haphazardly. Call it whatever you want –
personally it should never have been made public. The individuals who did just doomed the very people they wanted to protect to off-site contracted
interrogations at the hands of real sadistic torturers.
Originally posted by MaxmarsTruth is, the apparent love our HUMINT folks have for the thrill of rendering a human into a sniveling
complaint creature without willpower is misplaced and problematic... and when the politicians start defending it - it's time to speak up - and when
legislation starts to codify it's application without redress - it's time to worry.
It is never something looked forward to. In fact at my level, (Field Grade Officer) I was still close enough to participate but senior enough to be
able to watch my operators. If I felt I had an operator was getting some emotional thrill form this I’d have yanked them and their clearance in a
heartbeat. These things are never done by Soldiers – only Senior NCO’s and usually Warrant Officers. Experts. No one likes doing it. Its
emotionally draining. Even a regular session is draining.
No one enjoys breaking the spirit of another human being. It’s sad to see a proud man who believes in his cause made humble. However, I would do
it all over again if I thought I could get something to save our Soldier’s lives. It’s just war. Again, not for everyone and best left to the
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