Am I far right?

I hate fascism, and all forms of extremism, I'm left liberal...but apparently I'm Right wing because I'm against forced muliticultulism. Islam and christianity arent ready to mingled, and us atheists resent it too..If the Oslo killer acheived anything (not condoning!) its highlighting the civil unrest on our own door steps!!

My facebook status from earlier, its a brief overview of how I see things, thought I'd share with the ATS community....What do you guys think? Am I the only one that feels this is a serious issue the Government need to face, instead of pretending everythings fine when its clearly not.

Heck, us civilians and the English government cant even decide who we want in the country our selves, were taking orders from th EU.....I can really see a V for Vendetta revolution happening in 5 years when we all look round and try and spot the white person LOL.

Discuss and make me feel better because according to the propaganda over here, Im classed as a Far Right....When I'm far from...

ETA: On a side note, Hoorayy for Russia giving Assange air time I bet the western world are #tting themselves that their little bubble is about to popped wide open

Ohh and when I say these religions aren't ready to be mingled, I dont mean completely, they're are many Easterners that embrase Western culture, and vise versa....But with the some governments allowing extreme marches, sharia law and special priveledges, thats just an open invititaion for other cultures not to except western culture, but to come over here like crusaders (Ironically) and try and convert/banish US!!....Our own govs doing this? Are they for real? What do the get out of it? Whats the grand sceme of things?

How can we fix this? I'd say, stop bombing the middle East, help countries in Civil unrest that actually really need international help, and keep that help to diplomacy, cap immigration...and fix our problems at home before we worry about the rest of the world.....Does that seem fair?

I always thought the politcal spectrum was designed as a sort of adviser rather than people being put in a certain direction...

Like, each of your views of things are put into this spectrum separately and you add them yourselves in orders of importance and etc to put your overall policy into a side if you think it's important enough.

I'f you think your views are far right all together then they probably aren't, don't stick a label on your ideals :/

reply to post by Sinny

I'm Right wing because I'm against forced muliticultulism. Islam and christianity arent ready to mingled, and us atheists resent it too..If the Oslo killer acheived anything (not condoning!) its highlighting the civil unrest on our own door steps!!

Have you ever read The Great Gatsby? Its great if you havent. In the book there is a character called Tom Buchanan. He is reading a book called The Rise Of The Colored Nations. I was wondering if it was a real book so I checked around and found that it was a real book written by Theodore Lothrop Stoddard. He has similar views as you on immigration.

Stoddard argued race and heredity were the guiding factors of history and civilization, and that the elimination or absorption of the "white" race by "colored" races would result in the destruction of Western civilization.

en.wikipedia.org...

"We want above all things to preserve America. But "America," as we have already seen, is not a mere geographical expression; it is a nation, whose foundations were laid over three hundred years ago by Anglo-Saxon Nordics, and whose nationhood is due almost exclusively to people of North European stock—not only the old colonists and their descendants but also many millions of North Europeans who have entered the country since colonial times and who have for the most part been thoroughly assimilated. Despite the recent influx of alien elements, therefore, the American people is still predominantly a blend of closely related North European strains, and the fabric of American life is fundamentally their creation."

I think this thinking is flawed. I am from Australia and we used to have something called the 'White Australia Policy'. many years ago. It was to keep Asians and people with Black skin out of Australia. Australia must be the most multi-cultural place on earth and I think its great. Everyone adds something different. Many white Australians are against immigration but I cant understand why.I like how places like Sydney offer so much as far as different cultures go.
I can understand wanting to preserve a peoples culture and I envy those that do have one particular culture to identify with(i have Irish,English,Spanish) but an individual can make that decision within a multi-cultural society. It seems backward to me to assume we cannot all get along and live together.

Anyway,I think the whole right/left thing is more and more dated by the day and harder to define. I would say that you are anti-immigration.

reply to post by Sinny

I can't see why opposing any outwardly imposed culture or policy would be far right.
The way Brussels treats us in Europe virtually provokes us to become more nationalistic in my opinion.
Other than that, I'm not living in the UK, but i think you're exaggerating when you say it will be hard to spot a white person in the UK in 5 years.

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I'm assuming that your post on facebook received some not very nice comments?

No your views are not far right at all. I struggle daily with my beliefs that all people should be free, and I am appalled at obvious discrimination, but at the same time I walk out of where I work and I feel like I have been transported to a muslim country. It's not so much where I live because I live in a valley town, but I work in a large town that received city status a couple of years back, and while that town has always had a large indian and pakistani community, there has been a significant rise in peoples coming from the more hardcore muslim countries. As a woman it worries me seeing more and more burkhas on the streets where I work. I don't work in the city centre, I work in one of the areas just outside.

Despite my worries I do not express my opinions on Facebook. While I know a lot of people on there agree with me that it is worrying there are those who do not, and I do not want the police turning up on my doorstep accusing me of inciting hatred etc.

I have soldiers on my Facebook and I am fully aware of their views. They have every right to say what they do because they have served in these countries, and they say that the people we are fighting to free do not want us there, they do not want our help.

You have to remember that in the UK there are many people who benefit from the influx of foreign people into the country. Not only the government who must be getting some incentive for allowing people in with no obvious means of supporting themselves and their families, but also further down the food chain - people who work in the various companies set up to deal with immigrants from non EU countries who don't speak english and need help with claiming various benefits. I work next to one such company All of these people would be out of a very lucrative job if they put a stop to the influx. . So to stop people questioning and getting riled up enough to do something about it, you have people who shout racist or nazi at those who question.

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I think France has the right idea. I think its fine to have different people all in one place but they must be all treated the same. France does not have things like Affirmitive Action. Everyone is treated the same.I think special treatment is what breeds resentment the most. And I can understand them banning the burqa. It is France after all. Liberals seem to stoke the fires by trying to offer special treatment.It does seem a little harsh to ban the burqa in public spaces but on the other hand,an immigrant really should respect the culture of a Nation that they live in. I guess its a tricky one.
In Sydney there is a place called Cabramatta were they have some street signs in Vietnamese.I think thats kinda weird really. And wrong.

Thanks for the logical replies, I agree with you all, I honestly wasn't going OTT with the 5 year comment, as the female poster also highlighted there are certain areas in this country where it really seems I have walked into Pakistan...as somebody else highlighted, many of these families are bringing over flocks of children with no way of supporting them selves, and the UK have just returned into recession mode....I fully support Frances decision...I don't get it, we all love China town....we all hate Middle Eastern communities, mist likely as they are very disrespectfull..

Here's a checklist that may help.

Do you hate socialism with true Rush Limbaugh passion and equate it with communism? Do you embrace corporatism? Do you favor the rich getting richer while the poor are enslaved? Do you support tax cuts for the wealthy, end of minimum wage, end of entitlements, privatization of basic human needs such as electric power, fuel, healthcare, potable water, etc? Are you ok with corporations being categorized as people and directing influencing policy? Are you voting for the candidate AM radio tells you to even though it is against your personal best interest? Do you feel part of the billionaire elite yet are a currently an "embarrassed millionaire" (poor person that somehow believes is guaranteed riches in his/her future).

Are the elderly, infirm and unfortunate, including children disposable if poor? Do you justify this inhuman view with the phrase "they should've planned for the future" (ie poor)? Have you recently denounced evolution and science in general if these contradict scripture regardless of evidence? Do you deny man-made global warming and base your views on studies sponsored by oil companies? Do you argue for the covert and/or overt abolition of separation of church and state and feel it is ok for religion to influence policy? Are you hysterically afraid of God, minorities, brown people in general, terrorists and homosexuals? Do you hope and pray for an economic collapse so you can run amok shooting and murdering black people with your massive arsenal?

Are you ok with the destruction of protected habitats, the sea and glaciers for the benefit of the oil industry? Do you support "fracking" and indiscriminate construction of nuclear plants in spite of a highly possible ecological catastrophe?

Are you an ignorant, hypocritical POS?

If you answered YES to any of the above, then you are a right winger through and through.

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I may be able to help you a bit, seeing as how this particular subject is of great interest to me. You describe yourself as “left Liberal” and hate all forms of “Fascism and extremism” but do not believe we are yet able to have multiculturalism in the West, at least not a mingling of Christianity and Islam. Did I sum that up correctly? I will go on the assumption that I did.

First of all those people who say “Left and Right mean nothing” are only saying that because all they understand is the engineered version of Left-Right in modern society. This is at best a sham. Going by philosophical bases for political ideologies/philosophies the “Conservatives” today are actually Classical Liberals. They have adopted the Whig view of history, utilitarianism, social contract theory, and liberal economics (capitalism). This Conservatism arose out of British Whigs (19th century Liberals) reacting to the radicalizing elements of their party when Socialism became quite popular. The radical liberals joined in with the rejection of traditional Liberalism in favor of a more radicalized variant of it.

In response to this the mainstream Whigs had to justify their refusal to join along with the newly proposed ideological reforms since Liberalism was about progress. These Whigs, generally establishment types, had to find a way to defend their beliefs and did so by referring to an earlier Liberal turn (true) Conservative, Edmund Burke. He was abstract enough for them to apply his defense of conserving society to defending the Liberal order. They were still not Conservative as the Tories were, but became the more central political force as the Socialistic elements, coalescing around the Fabian Society, grew.

As society has drifted leftward and the Liberal Party (pre-Lib Dems) collapsed, they largely joined Tory ranks. This altered the Conservative Party to be a bit more Classical Liberal. Margaret Thatcher’s rise to power signified the conclusion of any true Conservatism in Great Britain as Manchester School Liberalism wrapped in Burkean sentimentality prevailed. There does not exist any legitimate right-wing in the West today save a few nations and groups such as the Cornerstone Group in the UK. Even people such as Enoch Powell are not technically “far-right”, he would be considered center-right if the Right-Left philosophical division is properly applied.

Fascism is also not “far-right” it is actually an outgrowth of the Left. But it is so unique that it cannot be truly classified as either Left or Right. Fascism developed as a reaction against the internationalism and pacifism of Socialism, do not forget Mussolini was originally a Socialist and openly spoke against God. Fascism largely rejects religion and focuses upon a form of Neo-Paganism as truly the character of a society. It is highly aristocratic, anti-bourgeois, anti-liberal, anti-democratic, and nationalistic. The Fascists took their economic program from Georges Sorel who was a radical Syndicalist who inspired both Marxists and Fascists. It also lacks a Right-wing state structure as it enforces totalitarianism rather than authoritarianism and its leadership is more in line with Ceaserism than Monarchism as the Right-wing prefers. They do share a hatred of the Enlightenment, perceived immorality, and self-autonomy, but with rather different answers sought.

So you do not share every characteristic of the Left, perhaps it is because you are what one may call a ‘Classical Socialist’. These are people who largely reject the Cultural Marxism side of the Left but still believe in the economy program, social justice, equality, and so forth without political correctness, multiculturalism, or militant secularism.

I am one of those “far-right” types and have devoted hours to studying its principles and intellectual leaders. There is some variety on this side which most people have absolutely no idea even exist. We have Monarchists, Distributists, Conservative Revolutionaries, Traditionalist Conservatives, Conservative Socialists (such as myself), and some Third Positionists. We all hold in high esteem a few people such as Joseph de Maistre, Juan Donoso Cortes, Louis de Bonald, and G. K. Chesterton.

reply to post by Sinny


Just my opinion, but I would not dwell on the identity crisis projected onto you by others. I mean if I described you as centre of bottom, three steps left turned counterclockwise 215 degrees, it doesn't change what you feel is important.

Still, misrepresentation is aggravating. I suppose the best that can be done is to focus on issues rather than titles.

I'm trying to get to the point where I don't have to be restrained by ideological dogma. Why can't I just judge each case or issue based on it's individual merits and what I believe to be true, rather than subscribing to a certain ideology to give one the preferred stand point.

I'm tired of the ideological debates. I know what I believe to be right and wrong and will defend those personal beliefs and remain open minded to opposing beliefs and challenge them when I believe they need to be challenged.

I'd consider you mixed opinions.

But I hate the right and left paradigm. It is extremely divisive.

And I hate labels.

People are people so why should people have to be so hostile towards each other just for having a different point of view. People have the right to their own opinions, and the right to express them.

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Wow! Very informative, thank you, lots of food for thought there. I'm sure ill have to read that post more than once to fully understand, and do my reseach, ill be sure to come back to you after