reply to post by Sinny
I may be able to help you a bit, seeing as how this particular subject is of great interest to me. You describe yourself as “left Liberal” and
hate all forms of “Fascism and extremism” but do not believe we are yet able to have multiculturalism in the West, at least not a mingling of
Christianity and Islam. Did I sum that up correctly? I will go on the assumption that I did.
First of all those people who say “Left and Right mean nothing” are only saying that because all they understand is the engineered version of
Left-Right in modern society. This is at best a sham. Going by philosophical bases for political ideologies/philosophies the “Conservatives” today
are actually Classical Liberals. They have adopted the Whig view of history, utilitarianism, social contract theory, and liberal economics
(capitalism). This Conservatism arose out of British Whigs (19th century Liberals) reacting to the radicalizing elements of their party when Socialism
became quite popular. The radical liberals joined in with the rejection of traditional Liberalism in favor of a more radicalized variant of it.
In response to this the mainstream Whigs had to justify their refusal to join along with the newly proposed ideological reforms since Liberalism was
about progress. These Whigs, generally establishment types, had to find a way to defend their beliefs and did so by referring to an earlier Liberal
turn (true) Conservative, Edmund Burke. He was abstract enough for them to apply his defense of conserving society to defending the Liberal order.
They were still not Conservative as the Tories were, but became the more central political force as the Socialistic elements, coalescing around the
Fabian Society, grew.
As society has drifted leftward and the Liberal Party (pre-Lib Dems) collapsed, they largely joined Tory ranks. This altered the Conservative Party to
be a bit more Classical Liberal. Margaret Thatcher’s rise to power signified the conclusion of any true Conservatism in Great Britain as Manchester
School Liberalism wrapped in Burkean sentimentality prevailed. There does not exist any legitimate right-wing in the West today save a few nations and
groups such as the Cornerstone Group in the UK. Even people such as Enoch Powell are not technically “far-right”, he would be considered
center-right if the Right-Left philosophical division is properly applied.
Fascism is also not “far-right” it is actually an outgrowth of the Left. But it is so unique that it cannot be truly classified as either Left or
Right. Fascism developed as a reaction against the internationalism and pacifism of Socialism, do not forget Mussolini was originally a Socialist and
openly spoke against God. Fascism largely rejects religion and focuses upon a form of Neo-Paganism as truly the character of a society. It is highly
aristocratic, anti-bourgeois, anti-liberal, anti-democratic, and nationalistic. The Fascists took their economic program from Georges Sorel who was a
radical Syndicalist who inspired both Marxists and Fascists. It also lacks a Right-wing state structure as it enforces totalitarianism rather than
authoritarianism and its leadership is more in line with Ceaserism than Monarchism as the Right-wing prefers. They do share a hatred of the
Enlightenment, perceived immorality, and self-autonomy, but with rather different answers sought.
So you do not share every characteristic of the Left, perhaps it is because you are what one may call a ‘Classical Socialist’. These are people
who largely reject the Cultural Marxism side of the Left but still believe in the economy program, social justice, equality, and so forth without
political correctness, multiculturalism, or militant secularism.
I am one of those “far-right” types and have devoted hours to studying its principles and intellectual leaders. There is some variety on this side
which most people have absolutely no idea even exist. We have Monarchists, Distributists, Conservative Revolutionaries, Traditionalist Conservatives,
Conservative Socialists (such as myself), and some Third Positionists. We all hold in high esteem a few people such as Joseph de Maistre, Juan Donoso
Cortes, Louis de Bonald, and G. K. Chesterton.
edit on 4/25/2012 by Misoir because: (no reason given)