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Originally posted by NoAngel2u
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Yeah, I get that. I'm not addressing the wrongness of exemptions and allowances. I'm addressing the lie that is being promoted in this thread regarding the family farm and child labor.
They are working up peoples sentiments based on the lie.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by NoAngel2u
If the supposed "Fact 2 through 5" are true completely and not misleading, than you are correct in the assertion that this specific change to this specific facet is minimal and essentially serving to act as a distraction to real issues that plague the agricultural industry.
So really it looks like more of a move to protect the legal liability of large corporations in the event of injuries in the field (quite common actually).
It does state outright that this 'change' does not affect LLC small farms worked by families.
I hope your information is correct because although I completely disregard your pro-Obama stance I attempt to read in between the lines past people's petty political leanings to find that gray zone where the truth most likely resides.
What we should be focusing on are finding ways to protect small LLC farmers from mega-corporations and their armies of attorneys.
I don't believe this thread is subject to "fear mongering" per se but instead basic misunderstandings, mis-communication, etc which result in overall disinformation, confusion, and dismay.
Taking an outright and outspoken pro-Obama stance when attempting to find the truth about information pertaining the current Executive Administration in the USA harms your credibility with those whom will disregard your statements the most in the first place. By coming at a neutral perspective and avoiding right vs left political bias you can convince other less open minded people most likely. Just a few observations.
However, all of this rests on the validity and veracity of the information you have linked. If that information is misleading either by accident or by design, than this all crumbles apart.
Originally posted by NoAngel2u
reply to post by muzzleflash
The source that I provided is the US Dept of Labor website. But you would know that if you did indeed check them out, eh? This whole subject crumbled with the opening post that was full of lies and outrage over lies.
Go figure.
Has the exempted been unexempted? Has the allowed been disallowed? In the context of this subject, of course. No, so there is no reason to be alarmed that children will not be allowed to do farming chores this coming summer when the updating child labor laws take effect.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Originally posted by NoAngel2u
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Yeah, I get that. I'm not addressing the wrongness of exemptions and allowances. I'm addressing the lie that is being promoted in this thread regarding the family farm and child labor.
They are working up peoples sentiments based on the lie.
They are one in the same. By granting exemptions they have necessarily made parents and children libel to this code, as they have done by allowing. What can be exempted can be unexempted, and what can be allowed can be disallowed. People have good cause to be alarmed.
Originally posted by NoAngel2u
Well, my stance is not pro-Obama, in fact I'm not pro-Obama, I'm pro-truth, regardless of who is getting credit. If it harms my credibility, then so be it. I never tooted Obama's stance on anything. Merely criticized the honesty of the reporting.
Has the exempted been unexempted? Has the allowed been disallowed? In the context of this subject, of course. No, so there is no reason to be alarmed that children will not be allowed to do farming chores this coming summer when the updating child labor laws take effect.
lol Ohhhh? So you are you disallowing and unexempting me now? lmao My stance on whether the rules being put in place this summer regarding kids working on family farms does not mean that I am unaware that the gov is a kreeping kudzu vine. OK? The point is the parental exemption is statutory and will not be affected by the updates.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Originally posted by NoAngel2u
reply to post by muzzleflash
The source that I provided is the US Dept of Labor website. But you would know that if you did indeed check them out, eh? This whole subject crumbled with the opening post that was full of lies and outrage over lies.
Go figure.
I let your posturing on "truth" go with the post above this one, but enough is enough. You cannot dismiss the words exemption and allow and their clear legal meaning just so you can claim that this code does not affect farmers with children. Incrementation is how the government (either party, left or right as muzzle pointed out) aggregates power. If you're so interested in truth, then let's not pretend that government doesn't incrementally expand their power base.
Well, very likely louder that my annoyed scream at your highbrowsing attitude lol BUT, because nothing changed and all the little farm kiddies can still work their asses off for mom and dad.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by NoAngel2u
Has the exempted been unexempted? Has the allowed been disallowed? In the context of this subject, of course. No, so there is no reason to be alarmed that children will not be allowed to do farming chores this coming summer when the updating child labor laws take effect.
And how loudly will your indifferent silence scream once they have been unexempted and disallowed? Here's the deal; These farmers do not have to and should not grant jurisdiction to this bogus code. By not granting any jurisdiction, they need no exemption or allowance. Your pretense of a benign code is nothing more than disingenuousness while you preen and pose as some guardian of truth.
I get your point, but the majority of people don't and consider themselves bound by these codes to one degree or another. I'm merely speaking to them within that frame work.
First off, I'm not dismissing genuine concerns, otherwise I would have not bothered. I was concerned when I read the thread title, and as I continued reading comments. Then I check the information myself and thought I'd share what I found out.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by NoAngel2u
The point is you're dismissing peoples genuine concerns and expecting them to accept your dishonest portrayal of legislation, and then amusingly keep making posts as if you've "settled" the issue, and then even more amusingly you attempt to frame me as some tyrant. While I don't see you as a tyrant, you can be rest assured I have nothing but bad taste in my mouth for the sycophants of tyranny.
Only stupid people will buy into your sophistry. While I made the point that Baum was most likely comparing the American farmer to the Scarecrow (if I only had a brain) in the Wizard of Oz, that comparison comes with an ending where Oz insists that the Scarecrow always had a brain,and indeed, the American farmer can see right through your bogus pretense.
The topic of this thread is the labor dept rules banning children from doing farm chores. That is in fact a lie. They do not do that.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by NoAngel2u
The topic of this thread is the labor dept rules banning children from doing farm chores. That is in fact a lie. They do not do that.
It may be a bit hyperbolic but it is not a lie and you proved that yourself when you posted the portion of the legislation that granted exemptions and allowances. Those exemptions are from the ban, and the allowances are in regards to the ban. I have stated this all ready but it bears repeating; people have good cause to be alarmed.