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European laws encourage anti-Muslim prejudice, Amnesty says

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by samsamm9

Do you prefer the word "islamophobia" ??

Any I give you star for your honesty
you racist s****


Islam isn't a race.




posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Can I consider this post as "racist", or I can't ?


No, religion is not a race. You may consider it bigotry or islamophobia, but "racism" BUZZWORD does not apply here.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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Can I consider this post as "racist", or I can't ?


No, religion is not a race. You may consider it bigotry or islamophobia, but "racism" BUZZWORD does not apply here.


He admitted he was racist towards gypsies...
So yes my post was pertinent.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Bosniaque
 


How is that any different from what Muslim armies did from around 600AD to around 1600AD?

History is history, mate. Not a lot we can do about that now and there is no value sliging mud, when you have plenty of your own. The only difference is "my peoples" actually progressed and developed, where as "yours" went backwards and regressed.


You are saying no use slinging mud while it was you who brought up history and how Muslims seem to only want to conquer. Hypocrit much?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Er, no, I didn't "bring up history". If you bother to read the OP, you'll see it was Amnesty International making bogus claims about History. I merely pointed out their fallacy, at which point you took umbridge and made a an attempt to divert the attention.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
For the most part, prior to WW2, the muslim population of Western Europe was miniscule. There were pockets in the east as a left over from Ottoman expansion, however.

It is totally misleading for Amnesty to claim they have been a leading religion for "centuries", as this is a blatant lie. Unless of course you count the Ottoman invasions as a "leading influence", which is about the only time large swathes of Muslims tried to come to central and western europe, by conquest. Oh yes, the Moor conquest of Spain too.

Seems they only come to conquer, throughout history....


You even mention the term history. I'm not diverting attention away from anything, just replying to your biased comment.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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You really don't know what your talking about, do you?

Who was my post replying to? Who was he replying to?

When you can read and understand English properly, follow a chain of conversation and not throw nonsense insults around, then we can talk.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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Funny how every group claims to be fighting the NWO in some guise or another, when in fact all they do is fight amongst themselves.


Every group can claim what they want, but Muslims are being demonized and attacked by the countries in which the most prominent NWO elites reside. It's NWO versus the Muslims, cause Muslims don't want to go along with the zionist/pro-zionist agenda



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Bosniaque
 


You really don't know what your talking about, do you?

Who was my post replying to? Who was he replying to?

When you can read and understand English properly, follow a chain of conversation and not throw nonsense insults around, then we can talk.


I reacted to your post where it says seems they only want to conquer. What does it matter who you replied to? What you posted there were your own words, weren't they?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Can you say that any Muslim influence in the centuries preceding the 21st was anything but? Amnesty have claimed that Islam has been a leading influence in Europe for centuries, whereas history tells us that the only influence they seemed to actually have is one of conquest.

It is ironic really, if your name is accurate, as the only reason the Balkans have a large Muslim population is because of Ottoman conquest.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
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Can you say that any Muslim influence in the centuries preceding the 21st was anything but? Amnesty have claimed that Islam has been a leading influence in Europe for centuries, whereas history tells us that the only influence they seemed to actually have is one of conquest.

It is ironic really, if your name is accurate, as the only reason the Balkans have a large Muslim population is because of Ottoman conquest.



Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe were numerous, affecting such varied areas as art, architecture, medicine, agriculture, music, language, and technology. From the 11th to 13th centuries, Europe absorbed knowledge from the Islamic civilization. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic.


Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe


Early history Islam came to Europe in various ways, including through conquest. New research has uncovered a Böszörmény Muslim community in 12th century Hungary with roots in Muslim merchants in commerce with Asia over the Silk Road. Significant communities of Muslim Lipka Tatars lived throughout the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, worshiping in small wooden Mosques and playing a key role in the history of Poland and Lithuania.


Islam in Europe



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
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Can you say that any Muslim influence in the centuries preceding the 21st was anything but? Amnesty have claimed that Islam has been a leading influence in Europe for centuries, whereas history tells us that the only influence they seemed to actually have is one of conquest.

It is ironic really, if your name is accurate, as the only reason the Balkans have a large Muslim population is because of Ottoman conquest.


Indeed, but Bosniaks welcomed Islam openly. It was GODsent for us. My peoples were one of the first to resist the Vatican, we created our own Bosnian Church to be independent, cause we deemed the Vatican as corrupt. So we precede Protestantism and any other offshoots which were rebellions against the Vatican. However, this lead to attacks ordered by the Pope. We defended our country like we always have. Then the Ottomans came and we deemed Islam as a good religion and by becoming part of the empire we were finally left alone by the Vatican. Perhaps it's interesting to note that Bosnia was an autonomic republic within the Ottoman empire. Centuries later the Sultans wanted to take away freedoms from us and we rebelled against them too, but kept Islam. Even before there was a Kingdom of Bosnia there were the Illyrian peoples who lived there and they too resisted the Vatican for a long time. Thank God for the Ottomans and Moors, cause Europe was a dark place before their culture enriched it.

So as you can see.... I come from a longgggg line of TRUE REBELS, it's in my genes.

Nobody conquers us dude, every empire we've been in was by treaties and our own acceptance. Your country however is lead by German/Nordic nobility. After having battled the Vikings for so long they've still managed to conquer you quietly. Ponder on that
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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What is it about cloth that makes you angry?

Assimilation means 'to render similar', but I believe I can be in your society and be a contributing factor for the good. Why would I have to be exactly the same as everyone else?

Is it not differences that make us unique individuals? It is our differences which contribute to a well rounded society, for example, if some were not different in the way they approach the sciences our world would not be what it is today.. I do not have to be the same as you.

In action I am who and what I am.

I do not have to walk naked before you in order to contribute to the good. I contribute from my heart, my mind, my good actions. Cloth does not effect these good things, cloth is just cloth, but it keeps purity between men and women. It keeps you from turning your head to stare at my behind as I walk by while you are experiencing lewd thoughts.

It is only cloth, it represents purity, and protects purity. If my purity angers you, then anything which is pure is what you desire to destroy.

Why am I not free to wear more cloth?


How does cloth make you fear me?



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When contribution to society is connected to a lack of cloth, then what society desires to be contributed has nothing to do with intelligence, with good actions, with heart. I wont be 'eye candy' but I can be your doctor, your pharmacist, your lawyer, your co-worker, your nurse, your friend. Cloth does not effect these things. And if it does, perhaps you are the one who needs to rethink things.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by samsamm9
Aren't Europeans free to practice any religion they want ?


No one is stopping them doing just that...



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Bosniaque
Nobody conquers us dude, every empire we've been in was by treaties and our own acceptance. Your country however is lead by German/Nordic nobility. After having battled the Vikings for so long they've still managed to conquer you quietly. Ponder on that


Goes to show the level of your knowledge really. The peoples of the UK are Germanic and Nordic, with a smattering of Celt in the outer regions. Also, we're not "led" by any nobility. I have nothing to ponder and the point you are trying to make has nothing to do with the thread.

You are merely trying to deflect from the topic, which is Amnesty claiming that the laws are anti-Muslim and that Islam has a long and rich history in Europe, which besides the extreme East, they do not.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by Bosniaque
Nobody conquers us dude, every empire we've been in was by treaties and our own acceptance. Your country however is lead by German/Nordic nobility. After having battled the Vikings for so long they've still managed to conquer you quietly. Ponder on that


Goes to show the level of your knowledge really. The peoples of the UK are Germanic and Nordic, with a smattering of Celt in the outer regions. Also, we're not "led" by any nobility. I have nothing to ponder and the point you are trying to make has nothing to do with the thread.

You are merely trying to deflect from the topic, which is Amnesty claiming that the laws are anti-Muslim and that Islam has a long and rich history in Europe, which besides the extreme East, they do not.


Wrong again dude.

Then you will say : " besides the east, the west and the south, they don't have a rich and long history in Europe"


Al-Andalus
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by Bosniaque
Nobody conquers us dude, every empire we've been in was by treaties and our own acceptance. Your country however is lead by German/Nordic nobility. After having battled the Vikings for so long they've still managed to conquer you quietly. Ponder on that


Goes to show the level of your knowledge really. The peoples of the UK are Germanic and Nordic, with a smattering of Celt in the outer regions. Also, we're not "led" by any nobility. I have nothing to ponder and the point you are trying to make has nothing to do with the thread.

You are merely trying to deflect from the topic, which is Amnesty claiming that the laws are anti-Muslim and that Islam has a long and rich history in Europe, which besides the extreme East, they do not.


I'm not trying to deflect anything here except you and your biased remark.

My level of knowledge? I assure you it's sufficient to discuss the matters we're currently discussing.

Weren't you under attack from the Vikings? Weren't you resisting them?

So how did German/Nordic nobility end up as your royal family?

A family originally from Germany, the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. You're led by them allright, cuz they decide what happens. Surely you should know this being on these forums and all. Yea it's offtopic, but if you're gonna post such biased comments, you shouldn't be surprised when someone like me comes along...



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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He admitted he was racist towards gypsies... So yes my post was pertinent.


Nope, you asked about this non-racist post from different member:

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It is only cloth, it represents purity, and protects purity.


It also represents oppression of women and is restricted even in some muslim countries.

For the record, I dont think burqa should be banned, but it should be under tight surveillance so that it is not forced, and there should be absolutely no exceptions for cases when the face is required to be seen.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by samsamm9
On today's news...

U.S. army officers were taught ‘America is at war with Islam:’ Pentagon probe

Military to review course teaching 'U.S. at war with Islam'

US army to review course teaching 'US at war with Islam'

Pentagon probing 'anti-Islamic' training material



Islam- founded in 622
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

America- founded in 1776

Looks like Islam declared war long before America even existed.
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