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Predestination and Freewill

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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 11:43 AM
The question has always been on my mind about Predestination. We were created/born to go a certain route and lead to one destination that we were meant to all our lives. This can be looked at as specific to every individual, and more open to the human race as one. When you view it as the latter, take Creationism by God for this example.

God is said to be omniscient. This means He is "All Knowing." He is said to have known everything from the beginning of time to the end of time, including how WE will end. Which means, God has had a predestined ending for us since the beginning that He has always known about. Nowhere in the bible does it say He has changed the ending, He has always known ONE way we will go.

Now, you will easily find in the bible where God has given every human being in the human race Free Will. Obviously, this means we have the choice to make any decision we want, God cannot control what decisions we make. We have the choice to live our life according to Gods 'Plan," or we can have the choice to get dads gun out the closet and blow our brains out within the next 2 minutes or so. Either way, God did not make the choice, WE made the choice. So, how can God have one predestined ending for us when we get to choose our ending?

Recently, I came across something that mentioned that We make choices everyday, and we have consequences based off of those certain choices. But what if we had made a different choice, there would certainly be a different consequence. Somebody mentioned that every choice we make, will play out with a certain consequence the way we see it, and the opposite choice will play out with a certain consequence in a parallel universe, or another dimension. Now I know this sounds a bit off the wall, but if you personally believe that God has created all things, and that He DOES have a predestined ending for us all, than how can we have free will?

Easy, as long as all the choices and decisions we make play out at the same time, then there will always be one known certain consequence for each one. And certainly God will know the consequence of each one, and therefore will have a determined destiny for each one of us that is CERTAIN to play out exactly as He has planned since the beginning.

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So if God is all knowing, He has a predestiny for all of us..
If we have free will, we can choose not to follow that destiny..
So this would be a bit of a problem, unless God knows the consequence of all our choices.
So does God wait to see which choice we make, and then change our destiny? No.. Because God knew our destiny from the beginning.
So does this mean God knew which choice we were gonna make? No. Because that would contradict our God-given Free Will.

We must make one single choice, for their to be a known destiny based off of it, if we choose which choice we make, then our parallel selves will make a different choice. Therefore, we will still have our free will, but God will still know our destiny before it happens.

posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 12:17 PM
The first flaw see is trying to bond God to a time line. If you believe that God created the entire Universe, which includes the very fabric of time itself, how can he be bond to it? A 2D object can not rap its head around the concept of a 3D world.

The fact that God is all knowing doesn't compromise the fact that your choices are ever changing your outcome.

Trying to wrap your head around what God knows, how he does it, where did he come from, all put limits on God, limits that we have in this Earthly body. It is fun for discussion but futile.

posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 12:33 PM
reply to post by FenderWolf

I think God knows exactly what is going to happen, but designed the fabric of reality so that we can make the choice ourselves. Every action has a reaction that was programmed into it...

I call it the "Causality Sequence". A vast web of variables that no human can grasp, and that is entirely natural. Woven by God, from god, it is a chain reaction that is not predictable (unless you have control over every event that takes place and can predict the uncontrollable players) but is natural.

God does not have a predestiny for us, but did design everything the way it happens. Similar to a car; you can't plan where it goes, but you can plan how it gets there.

posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 01:00 PM
I respect both of your opinions, deeply and thank you for sharing

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