Quantum Experiments, Proof that Human Consciousness influences Particles

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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Is that not evidence of my claim to say the least?

Don't think that your statement of "I already posted three times that you have no evidence" is an excuse to not reply to that post.

I'll just take it that you are lost for words right now. Shame cause there is no harm in admitting you actually learned something.

Shame too that this thread got buried so quickly. Off course that is the thing to say about your own thread but imo the stuff layed out here is way more remarkable than most shallow BS threads that are glued to the front page most of the time.

But that's just how it goes.

Whatever, I thank the people that were supportive.




posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
-So when they don't measure there is an interference pattern.

-When they do measure the interference pattern collapses.

-When they measure but immediately erase the info, the interference pattern is restored.

This proves that the physical act of measuring, the Observer Effect, is not responsible for collapsing the interference pattern.

The measuring device has interacted with the particle, yet the interference pattern remains if the info is erased.

The conclusion is again inescapable, the availability of the info is what collapses the pattern, or not.
I see no other reason for that besides it having a direct relation with the consciousness of the experimenter.


That's because the observation is done by the person/consciousness that observes the results, even if those results are observed after the experiment already happened. The machine itself doesn't "observe"... at least not yet.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Isn't that the whole point I was making?



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by AlchemicalBinoculars
 


Don't think that your statement of "I already posted three times that you have no evidence" is an excuse to not reply to that post.

I'll just take it that you are lost for words right now. Shame cause there is no harm in admitting you actually learned something.


The only thing that I learned from this thread is that you fall face first into the category of people who get all existentially anxious about some indirect bloviation that distantly ties to a favorite meme of yours. In this case, "consciousness affects {insert}".

I happen to agree that there is a strong possibility, and I said as much but that flew right thru your angst, that consciousness does have effects. On matter, wave properties and many other physical things.

The difference is that I also know that at this juncture, there is absolutely no way whatsoever to apply direct evidence to that concept. As I said, for many reasons, one being that you cannot measure consciousness much less the "force" it has on objects. Tough on us.

A second difference is that I can not only deal with this lack of closure, I happen to like the unaswerable very much. You, OTOH...


Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
Shame too that this thread got buried so quickly. Off course that is the thing to say about your own thread but imo the stuff layed out here is way more remarkable than most shallow BS threads that are glued to the front page most of the time. But that's just how it goes.


...get all bleary eyed and emotional.

The thread didn't get "buried", you feel buried, there is a difference.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
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Isn't that the whole point I was making?


Pretty much, yeah. Just offering my 2c.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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The fact that you still won't respond to the extraordinairy happenings I clearly lined out in my last post, that can only be explained by human consciousness, tells me you are indeed at a loss for words.

So I'll give you one more shot.




The non wave pattern is already on the screen before they erase the wich path info, yet when the experimenter checks the screen later, it still shows an interference pattern. How is that possible? It's only possible because after the fact, the wich path info is not available, so the pattern on the screen adapts to the experimenter not knowing the wich path, even though it was available at the time the particles hit the screen. The pattern on the screen adapts to human consciousness. How else would you explain it?


Nothing of substance to say at all about this?

Or this?




They are saying that the interference pattern only shows itself after the experimenter knows if the wich path info is available or not, by looking if the idlers were picked up by the detectors that are related to the wich path info not being known in this case. You have to have an understanding of the setup of the exp to understand this.


Guess not.




I happen to agree that there is a strong possibility, and I said as much but that flew right thru your angst, that consciousness does have effects. On matter, wave properties and many other physical things.


My angst? Lol. you mean my frustration with you not recognising the evidence, even refusing to even try to debunk it.




The difference is that I also know that at this juncture, there is absolutely no way whatsoever to apply direct evidence to that concept. As I said, for many reasons, one being that you cannot measure consciousness much less the "force" it has on objects. Tough on us.


How do you explain the situations I posted about then? What was the driving factor behind those crazy results? Please help me get a better understanding if you feel you have a better understanding.

Ignoring it doesn't make you come of like you know what you are talking about.




...get all bleary eyed and emotional. The thread didn't get "buried", you feel buried, there is a difference.


See, you're just trying to be a jerk here nothing more. Yes the thread got buried, by other threads. It's not a conspiracy, other threads got more attention so this one was buried.

Wich I think is a shame. May I? But like I said, it's just how it goes.

As long as you won't respond to my post refuting your claims of no evidence, you are just a blabbermouth with no substance at all.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Ok thank you, it was a bit confusing.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by AlchemicalBinoculars
 


The,.................................

[binned a mountain of self-serving garbage.. ]

PLONK



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Thanks for proving my point.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Of course it's observer driven, wouldn't this universe cease to exist if you were no longer in it? 2nd line



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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What came first? The brain or the measuring device? And could someone remind me what scale we are using to quantify anything with?



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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the double slit theory. i think i've seen that movie.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Double Slit is not a theory, it is an experiment. I don't now if you are refering to the vid I posted in the OP but that was just to explain how the DS experiment works, this thread is about the conclusions one can draw from that exp. and several variations of that exp, wich I also posted about.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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What came first? The brain or the measuring device?


What do you mean by this, that the measuring device is a result of human consciousness, and that therefore the physical act of measuring by that device is also human consciousness?

Cause I would not agree with that. Human consciousness comes into play only when the information of the measurement is available to human consciousness.




And could someone remind me what scale we are using to quantify anything with?


What do you mean by this?
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by randomname
the double slit theory. i think i've seen that movie.


No, it's not porn.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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Im a scientist and I am very familiar with the double slit experiment. I have never heard about the variation of deleting the data before it is observed, but am not surprised by the results. Here is an experiment replicating the DS experiment with macromolecules.

news.softpedia.com...
Id share my opinion on the collapse of the wave function but im on my cell phone. Thought provoking post, I wish people (especially other scientists) would keep an open mind and not write this experiment off because they dont like/understand the results or dont like that animated movie haha.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Thanks for replying, I'll check out that link.

Definately agree with what you said, good advice.




posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Has anyone every thought of the implications of using a laser mouse. How just moving around a laser light controls everything the mouse icon on the computer does. Think about that for a minute let it sink in.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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Well, that's interesting. I'm not surprised that they would get the same results with bigger particles. If consciousness is the main factor it would apply to all particles I think.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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Hello,I haven't thought about that in relation to this, and tbh I don't really see a relation.

This is how a laser mouse works,




The mouse emits a laser beam and then the reflected image is received by the CMOS sensor and sent to the DSP (Digital Signal Processor) .. this cycle happens multiple times in a second .The DSP detects patterns and changes in the images and tracks the movement of the mouse and then sends the coordinates to the computer..


I don't see a connection to Quantum Physics.





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