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Chinese government fails to enforce embargo on Iran. What should we do?

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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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From www.strategypage.com...

These Chinese exporters have little fear of punishment, because the Chinese government refuses to discipline its wayward firms. Trading companies can be hurt in other ways, as U.S. regulators can reach just about every other country (except China) using the enormous U.S. presence in the international banking system. But the Chinese traders consider these fines a cost-of-doing-business and charge extra for dirty deals. Thus as the sanctions on Iran grow more formidable, prices Iran must pay go up and the Chinese profits increase even more.

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So... what should 'we' or the UN do? Nothing? Stop Iranian bound ships and inspect the cargo?

Think China will tolerate that? I don't but how will China react if we do? Naval escort? If not handled properly this could easily escalate?

The embargo dates back to 1979. Has it really changed anything?




posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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This isn't really anything new.

China and Russia have been supporting Iran for years and have recently re-stated this yet again.

"We" should do nothing.
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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Realistically, China knows the sanctions are a political issue pushed by the US and Israel and simply doesn't want to play ball. They already have big oil and gas contracts with Iran and, if the US and Europe keep playing political silly buggers, then that's plenty more for them!
Why exactly should the rest of the world jump just because the US says so? As for the UN sanctioned part, that again is simply the Security Council using it's elitist power to push through sanctions, when if left to a truly international vote, from all member states, they'd probably be defeated.


Iran has a product to sell, and China is NOT going to scupper their investments over a manufactured and unproven allegation by the west, and good for them!



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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So... what should 'we' or the UN do? Nothing?


Exactly. You nailed it in your OP, good job.

That is their business, not ours. The world would be a better place if certain people just minded their own business more, for sure.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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I think we should do something never before done by the U.S....we should mind our own business for once and get out of the world policing business!

History has proven we are not very good at it anyway...so the time has come to get out of it and concentrate on our own problems at hand!

Just a thought!



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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Oh...will stop borrowing money from them....err.....well.......

2nd line.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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What do we do?

Lift the embargo!

There are much bigger things to worry about that what is happening on the other side of the globe!



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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We should liberate them and install a democracy until their whole country is a heap of glass.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Celebrity death match? Obama vs. Hu Jintao. Starting to wonder if thats how all world problems should be worked out instead of WAR. A Duel between leaders or th Celebrity death match.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Obviously the US needs to invade China. Obviously.

You don't think China is a calculated risk on the chessboard?



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
Obviously the US needs to invade China. Obviously.

You don't think China is a calculated risk on the chessboard?


We could never invade or hold China. The country is to large with to many people. We could bomb them back to the stone age and just sit there mowing down all the waves of Chinese soldiers they throw at us(Cannon Fodder) but we could never hold the country. It would be the death of this country in short fashion.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Fail ???

Refuse is the correct word

totally understandable



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
Obviously the US needs to invade China. Obviously.

You don't think China is a calculated risk on the chessboard?


What ?? just impossible


Actually China is the only one here who can invade the US and place a millions soldier in each US cities



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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While I like some of the replies, (stay out of foreign entanglements/affairs) as I see it.

If we do nothing we look like (become) a paper tiger and invite more of the same.

If we drop the embargo/sanctions we have a lot of egg on our face. One party will make political hay!

If we enforce them we risk an ugly situation with China, a major US banker.

The least of many evils is still evil.

I also find the mention in the root article of our using our presence in the international banking community as an enforcement/punishment tool rather disturbing.
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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japan and india also import oil from iran. will it become a token 10% reduction to keep the sanctioneers free from egg on face or will it be the middle finger? simple way round the reduction is to vastly increase the volume of oil imports and then offer a reduction for the ultimate face-saving gesture.

disruption in sudan and it's oil production will make waves in china so i suspect iran will be more than happy to top up the slack without eu tanker transit insurance. i suspect that although there have been ten years of no major incidents and pollution with regards to iranian oil transit, if the shipping firms ignore the sanction, will they be running a gauntlet?

f.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Good for them. sanctions are BS. The only ones they hurt are the people who have nothing to do with polcies.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by oghamxx
The embargo dates back to 1979. Has it really changed anything?


It doesn't appear that has does it?

Embargoes and sanctions often don't work. Its hard to starve someone into seeing things your way - particularly in the long term. Even if the do cave in to them, they'll end up hating you more and will turn against you the first chance they get.

Then of course you have countries like China is doing and use the situation to turn a nice profit for themselves.

I'd say lift the sanctions. They don't seem to be dong squat. They'd honestly have better luck changing the government by doing mass air drops of the "Best of Jersey Shore" dvd's to corrupt the populace against the hard line regime.

But - I digress.

Lift the embargo and China is not an issue. Now, you still have the issue of a possibly nuclear Iran. Then you have to decide how to deal with that - and that seems to be either let them go nuke or go to war. Whatever happens it seems likely to go that way sooner or later.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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Lifting the embargo could become one bargaining chip in the nuke inspection negotiating and dropping the use of the dollar in pricing their oil



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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We should blame china for 9/11
Liberate the chinese from their oppressive system of, er, capitalism
we should bomb radical chinese, not all chinese, just the radicals, then eventually all of them
limit americans rights in case there is homegrown chinese terrorists on american soil
re elect , er, rerig the elections to put obama back in office
confiscate raw cheese
extra taxes on cigarettes and uh, cheeseburgers
rename chinese food to liberty stir fry
confiscate chop sticks at the airport

or we can just ignore it and keep buying from walmart.

edit on 24-4-2012 by Lord Jules because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-4-2012 by Lord Jules because: (no reason given)



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