Jailed for $280: The Return of Debtors' Prisons

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
One day these debt collectors are going to catch the wrong person and there's going to be a bloodbath. They're going to ruin the life of somebody on the edge with their prison garbage, and then somebody's going to light that debt collection agency up.

I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet.

ever read the Book The Count of Monte Crisco

The Count of Monte Cristo
en.wikipedia.org...

the greatest revenge book of all time !!!

that and V for Vendetta move comic Book

Enough Bull People will Rise Against ...


But its the People " the Little People " that Give Up Freedom for Security
that are in the Lines of Voting , Passing Bills , at the Town Meeting etc...

those People That Allow the Patriot Act to Exist and Bills, Acts, into Law that is like it ...

as some dont Know that the Pre Patriot Act was from the Enabling act of 1933 ( Germany )
& the The Internal Security Act of 1950, ( USA)

Causing the Fear of a Book becoming a Reality !! In this Nation America !! as it already DID ( In a Way )
In North Korea the Book en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Nighteen Eighty-Four


as the Book was created by Eric Blair of what the future might be hold from Communism ,Fascism
& parts of Socialism ,,, It seem like it is by the Big Players!!! Corporations...



talking about the Patriot Act Below ..... One Guy Spoke up......

Bush gets owned

Originally posted by myartisstrong
Little Story:

I wrote a check to a local grocery store for the amount of $40.27. They finally deposited it about three weeks later, and when it hit my checking account it caused and overdraft by $7.00. Admittedly that was my own fault for not transferring more from savings, however that is what overdraft protection is for. Money is supposed to automatically be transferred from savings to checking but my credit union was changing their policy on how many transfers were allowed per month. Once I was notified of the OD, I simply opened the app on my phone for my bank and moved more than enough to cover the check, as well as the fee for the overdraft.

I had a similar experience, without any police involvement. Many years ago I had a checking account that I could go into the red to the amount of $300 (with interest being incurred). If a cheque was going to take it to more than that amount, my bank was supposed to transfer sufficient funds from my savings account. One day, my rent cheque took the balance over the $300 overdraft limit. My bank bounced the cheque, charged me a $25 NSF fee, and then transferred the money to cover the rent cheque. The bank acknowledged their error and refunded me the $25 charge.

It is at this point that my story differs from yours. I understood that once the cheque had bounced, it was void. It didn't matter that the bank had subsequently transferred the funds into my chequing account. I had to write a new cheque to my landlord because his bank never received the funds from my bank and never would without further action on my part.

While I don't think you should have spent time in jail, I don't feel that sorry for you. You knew there had been a problem yet you couldn't be bothered, even with your apparent technical sophistication evidenced by your phone app use, to ensure that the $40.27 actually was taken from your account. The mere act of balancing your chequebook once a month would have prevented this from happening.

That is a direct violation of the bill of rights and serves no useful purpose...hard to pay your bills when in prison and can't work

The best way to revolt at this point is for everybody to cease paying anything. Force the inevitable collapse and rebuild from there.

That is, unless what all those FEMA camps are for...the debtors.

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by Magnum007

 

I believe that the lady in the article from the op...
1. had a medical bill that was claimed to be unpaid.....
um......let's say you break, oh, I don't know....an ankle...and can't come up with the 20 something thousand dollars it will cost to fix it.....
are you gonna just not have your ankle set and just accept the fact that you will never be able to walk again??? never mind that you were working before you hurt the foot, your family still has income coming into the home, and part of the paychecks is being taken out to pay for the healthcare of someone else...

and 2.....she was told she didn't owe this money!!! I believe from the healthcare provider, but not really sure if that was stated, I may have assumed that.

like I said, there's still a collection agency hounding me for a electric bill that WE HAVE PAID!!!

it's kind of like banks foreclosing on homes that there is no mortgage out on!!
get their danged records in order before you go around screwing up people lives!!!
it that too much to ask???

response to point #1 : if the US had a proper health care system like most of the civilized world, this wouldn't happen. She wouldn't have medical bills, it would all be covered...

Response to #2 : when you live in the US, NOTHING IS FREE... you have to be stupid to believe that you have nothing to pay when you leave an American hospital...

as far as mistakes on bills, there are many ways to prove its been payed and the courts are there for that... feel like you were wronged? well my friend, you are in the land of ridiculous suing! Just find a lawyer and SUE SUE SUE!!!!

reply to post by Magnum007


okay, I'll just tell my mortgage holder sorry, can't pay the rent, had to take a month off of work and go to ny to clearn up someone's bookkeeping error!!! ya, I am sure that will fly well, not to mention that I can no longer drive that far, so well, guess hubby will have to travel with me.....so, well, the electric company can forget about being paid also, as well as a few other businesses we owe money to!!! ya, that will work out just fine, won't it...

ya know it's interesting...
alot of big multi-million dollar businesses have walked away from real estate deals, and not paid their multi-million dollar obligations...and it's called a strategic move!!! it seems it only we the people that are supposed to pay what we owe!!!

and by the way, they can throw me in jail forever if they want, that hospital bill IS NOT GETTING PAID!!!
don't care, I was out in the cold with everyone, social service, hubby, everyone, not wanting to take responsibility and I hadn't been able to work because of the foot injury in close to a year! I had no way to pay, had no way to work to get the money to pay, and all the while, money was being taking from hubby's paycheck so people who could at least walk without the risk of falling down could get FREE medical care!!
so, nope you can forget about that bill...either social services should have came through, or hubby should have defaulted on every other bill I guess and took care of it...but there was no way I could at the time, and there is no way now that I could support myself even, let alone pay the danged thing. that is a loss they will have to eat!!! or, well, take it from hubby. I wish them luck there.

reply to post by dawnstar


well I guess I know someone who is going to go to jail... small price to pay I guess for living in the "great 'ol USA!"...

People in Lybia are better treated than Americans... ESPECIALLY under Ghadaffi... Too bad so sad!

reply to post by Magnum007


na....there's alot of self trained legal experts incarcerated for various offenses that would be ready and willing to share the expertise.....and well, I'd challenge their entire crazy healthcare system all the way to the supreme court if they did that... there's plenty of people out there that never paid a cent for their healthcare, the taxpayers did, living way better than we were on my hubby's salary... I know I'd put up a good fight and possibly win, and in the process drag their healthcare system into the mud!!!

but, well, tell ya what, they can jail me, after they jail all those rich suckers for their "strategic defaults"!!!

reply to post by ArchPlayer


I don't know. There are many different agenda's in play. This could be a way to correct, and hide the correction, that Child Support is woefully unconstitutional(The US Supreme Court is well aware of the sheer level of treason involved and their compliance in the matter, so they have been spending the last year or two back pedaling a bit).

Right now there is talk in some states of outlawing being jailed for debt. That would solve certain aspects of Child Support law's that are unconstitutional. It seems that they are reworking existing child support law's to make them Constitutional(transfer them over to the Criminal Court system via Child neglect and abandonment type charges).

A lot of people know they are by all rights walking corpses. It is a bitter conclusion to this mess.

Originally posted by RadiantFire888
That is a direct violation of the bill of rights and serves no useful purpose...hard to pay your bills when in prison and can't work

Do any of you people actually read these kinds of articles? OR do you just respond to the thread titles. She wasn't jailed for a debt. I say again (for the 3rd time now) she was NOT JAILED FOR HER DEBT.

She was jailed because she refused to show up to her court date so that the judge can assess her ability to repay. She's already lost, probably by default, because she didn't defend herself the first time around. Now the persons who are owed money are seeking garnishments. When this happens, a judge will order to you appear to testify on your ability to pay any portion of money. If you don't show up. A warrant is issued for your arrest.

And rightfully so. She owes it. She should pay it. End of story.