Is homosexuality a sin?

The bible lists a lot of things you shouldn't do.....but "most" Christians pick and choose the ones they want to follow.......you can't have your cake and eat it to. If your going to "be" a Christian....you have to adhere to all of it....and I personally don't know nay Christians that do that....ALL of the following is against the Christian religion, but most Christians do them anyway! If I'm not mistaking, there is also a part in the bible stating that woman are not to wear make-up, you are not wear things like crosses or other jewlery showing off your religion....you are not be "worldly" there's all sorts of stuff Christians aren't to do, that they do them anyway....they'll pick out the parts that serves them to push, like and it's usually homosexuality....

PORNOGRAPHY
Matt. 5:27, �You have heard that it was said, �You shall not commit adultery�; 28 but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery with her already in his heart."
1 Cor. 6:18, "Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body."
Col. 3:5, "Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry."
JUDGE NOT
�Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother�s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother�s eye.� (Mat. 7:1-5)

DRUNKENESS
Proverbs chapter 31 (TEV)
1 These are the solemn words which King Lemuel's mother said to him:
2 "You are my own dear son, the answer to my prayers. What shall I tell you?
4 Listen, Lemuel. Kings should not drink wine or have a craving for alcohol. 5 When they drink, they forget the laws and ignore the rights of people in need.
6 Alcohol is for people who are dying, for those who are in misery. 7 Let them drink and forget their poverty and unhappiness.
Galatians chapter 5 (NLT)
16 I advise you to live according to your new life in the Holy Spirit. Then you won't be doing what your sinful nature craves. 17 The old sinful nature loves to do evil, which is just opposite from what the Holy Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are opposite from what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, and your choices are never free from this conflict. ...
19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, your lives will produce these evil results: sexual immorality, impure thoughts, eagerness for lustful pleasure, 20 idolatry, participation in demonic activities, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, divisions, the feeling that everyone is wrong except those in your own little group, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other kinds of sin.
MARRIAGE
A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)

B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)

C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)

D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh10:30)

E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)

F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe. (Gen.38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)

The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.
-Lynn Lavner

Amadeus you don't know what you are talking about nice speech though. Fred is right. He laid it out for you why try to speculate and allegorize the rest? Deeprivergal for you it may not be a sin but for 94% of the population it is considered unclean and sinful no matter what nation you are in. Your attempt at allegorizing the bible to clean your own conscience has failed why not try the egyptian book of the dead as the word of God in the Bible will not help you on that matter - it will only condemn your action.

Homosexuality, like bestiality, like adultry is wrong. Killing is wrong. Lieing is wrong. Bearing false witness is wrong. Coveting is wrong. Gluttony is wrong. These are simple precepts that everyone has in their conscience and if you don't understand these precepts yet you are still as a babe who suckles milk. Until you understand these basic precepts of life you certainly will not understand more complicated matters but will be confused like a ship without a sail on the water. That is why you struggle with this now and attempt to explain away what you know is true. You are trying to change the way people think but it has nothing to do with thinking it has to do between right and wrong the rest is just a decision to do the latter. You certainly cannot change what is right from wrong - you can only live with yourself.

I do not wish to offend anyone. With that stated just becouse the bible says it is a sin doesn't make it one. How do we know it waasn't something that was added through the years. How do we know that G-d's will was interperted correctly. How do we know. Just because we have faith in a certain religion or book does not make certain things right or wrong. If that was the case then I am going to hell because I was never babtised. But to most of you I am. Well I'm not. Yes I have made bad, and immoral decision in life but I have also learned very moral lessons from them. No I am not homosexual but it is not a sin.

vincere7 as far as 94% of the world believing it is you need to show proof. All sorts of cultures thoughout the ages practiced same sex sexual activities. Like for example the greeks. Or how about in the middle east. It is not widely known but in many countries women are not used for sexual pleasure, they are used for bearing and raising children. The men are the ones used for sexual pleasure.

But anyways. I didn't wanna read all of the mumbo Jumbo .... B/c I read somethign that I know that is wrong. So ... I will say this and start reading from here down.

No one choose to be homosexual, it's just that your soul choose that lifestyle because it has something to LEARN out of it! Forget about what the bible say (sin or not a sin) everything is a sin in the bible!

many humans who have had countless incarnations as men and women, may choose to experience a life as a homosexual man or woman. This is not a �lesser� condition. It is just one of many variations. Certainly, we are not naive enough to think that it may not cause the individual great emotional pain. Society is still very prejudiced against anyone who is different or who is seen as a threat. But, the individual soul chooses this lifestyle and emotional and mental pattern quite willingly. This can be perceived as either very brave or very stupid. The choice is yours. But, please have tolerance and love for these souls. Who knows, you may decide to choose a similar life next time! How would you like people to treat you? With love and understanding or resentment and anger?


The thing is YOU should not judge THEM.....

Love Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

The argument is that homosexuality is not a sin because this group of people have no control over their actions.

Firstly, that is a grose generalisation. I know a number of homosexuals and most of them are great people. To say they don't all have control of their sexuality is false. I know a number that chose because they are open minded and that is the social group they hang around.

I even know a guy that I am sure would be gay, simply because he cant find a women to be with and he is sexually frustrated.

Didn't you know many soldiers in the greek army in ancient times were homosexual because of the ack of women? (and not just the greek army.)

Another point was made that it is ok to seek sexual gratification in any form you can find (thus validating homosexuality). I believe humans should have more control of their sexual urges than animals. If the only reason you want to be gay is so you can releive yourself then I would say having no self-control would be the underling issue. And this can also lead to other situations such as rape, which I am sure you would agree is not a good thing.

It is true. There are homosexuals that do generally find the same sex attractive. This in my opinion is a mental problem similar to other mental problems such as terrets and other disorders. I would argue against these being natural. But there are millions of mental disorders that are not natural: anorexia, glutteny etc.

If you believe in evolution or creation, and animals and primative organisms were primarily gay, then life would not exist at all period (unless they forced themselves to mate with the opposite sex which would not have been a natural act anyway). Reproduction would not have occured.

Is it a sin that people were born into this world with their brains wired differently? Well, No I don't think so. Is it a consequence of sin, then I would argue Yes.

Sin is a word, an idea, a concept, three letters put together.

It is defined in my dictionary as "an offense against God or religion." So this concept only has meaning in the religious context.

In my mind, the question becomes:

1) Do you believe in the religion?

2) Do you believe in the concept of sin?

3) If yes to the two questions above, do you believe in letting an authority, be it a priest or a book, define the meaning of religion and the meaning of sin for you?

4) If yes to all three, then it's a sin. Because the Pope says so. Because the Bible says so.

If, on the other hand, you decide to think for yourself, then only you can decide how you feel about it. You may use many words, concepts, or ideas to describe your feelings. Perhaps one of them may be "sin."

Personally, the word is not in my vocabulary.

"Sin" is a society-based concept, and whether it's a sin or not depends on what society you live in and which of the thousands of Earth's religions you practice. In some societies, the homosexual is a sacred individual and becomes a priest (many American Indian groups had this practice as did other areas of the world.) Homosexual relationships were sanctioned in many societies, and there are some very very old Christian ceremonies that celebrate sacred "same-sex" marriages.

In the past few decades, we've come to understand that it isn't a choice (I might be in a society of all women with no chance to have a man, but that sure isn't going to EVER turn me into a lesbian. It will leave me an extremely frustrated heterosexual woman, however.) Homosexuality has been observed in most animal species that have two sexes, and homosexual pairs have been seen (in the wild and in zoos) raising the young of their species and doing a good job of parenting.

So, no, it's not "against nature." Some societies define it as taboo, while others don't.

Period.

"Sin" is a society-based concept, and whether it's a sin or not depends on what society you live in

Couldn't agree more. Just look at Sharia Law to see people's concept of
Sin.

Originally posted by Amadeus
Hello there, IAF101:

The UN and other world agencies removed "human adult homosexuality" from its list of "mental illnesses" in 1974.

The UN also removed the next one on their list "of mental illnesses" while they were at it: "Working Women", which was also considered a mental illness (the former idea being that women who work outside the home and family (where they presumably belong) are some how mentally ill in need of treatement.

I think we've come a long way since Freud's Theory of BISEXUALITY in HUMANS....but sometimes I think not far enough !!

You'll be pleased to know that there are 11% of the general population who considers themselves HOMOSEXUAL (most of these are married with children in the world, due to "societal pressure").

Curiously, this 11% figure is almost exactly the SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD (percentage-wise) THAT CONSIDER THEMSELVES LEFT HANDED...

And the "Christian Church" used to burn LEFT HANDED PERSONS at the stake as heretics througout the middle ages ("sinister" is the Latin word for Left-Handed, alligned with the Devil, of course to Christians) RIGHT ALONG SIDE HOMOSEXUALS.

Or as Dr Laura Schlessinger thinks: My Rabbi said, YOU'RE DIFFERENT, AND THAT'S BAD!!

Seems you have a LONG way to go in the spiritual evolutionary dept., but I never give up hope on anyone, no matter how undeveloped they seem on these threads ...!

Well, Amadeus
Cordial aren't we?
BTW:I don't believe in god as (i believe) it is a manmade Institution . I believe man is greater than god as without man their is no god.(Assuming aliens don't believe in the concept of god)

[edit on 2-10-2004 by IAF101]

Originally posted by vincere7


Homosexuality, like bestiality, like adultry is wrong. Killing is wrong. Lieing is wrong. Bearing false witness is wrong. Coveting is wrong. Gluttony is wrong.

So....are you saying you do nothing that "you" consider wrong? Do look at woman in a sexual way? Check out porn? Curse? Get drunk? I bet you do some of it.....I get really sick of "some" Christians that pick out homosexuality as wrong because of a couple areas of an old book...but totally disregard the other areas of that same book, including that your not to be the one to judge other people! It's none of anyone else's business if someone is gay not...that's between them and their god and no one else....Christians should spend their time working on following the doctrines of their bible within their own lives....
"Most" of them can't seem to follow the rules but have no trouble telling everyone else how to and what is right or wrong...it just ridiculous!

Why sex is a sin if all participants agree to it? a sin is anything that violates another person's freedom. Sex is anything but that.

Originally posted by masterp
Why sex is a sin if all participants agree to it? a sin is anything that violates another person's freedom. Sex is anything but that.

can you consider sodomy and sex as the same thing?
A sin is any action that violates the teachings of " GOD ".

Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by vincere7


Homosexuality, like bestiality, like adultry is wrong. Killing is wrong. Lieing is wrong. Bearing false witness is wrong. Coveting is wrong. Gluttony is wrong.

So....are you saying you do nothing that "you" consider wrong? Do look at woman in a sexual way? Check out porn? Curse? Get drunk? I bet you do some of it.....I get really sick of "some" Christians that pick out homosexuality as wrong because of a couple areas of an old book...but totally disregard the other areas of that same book, including that your not to be the one to judge other people! It's none of anyone else's business if someone is gay not...that's between them and their god and no one else....Christians should spend their time working on following the doctrines of their bible within their own lives....

"Most" of them can't seem to follow the rules but have no trouble telling everyone else how to and what is right or wrong...it just ridiculous!

If you dont follow all of Christianity's " rules" then why do you believe in it?
You choose to believe only some doctrines of Chirstianity and ignore the others, why is that?
Isn't that just so -shall we say "ostensible" of your views?
If " GOD" created man then how come he created homosexuals that were against his teachings?Is "GOD" a homophobic?If homosexuals form a personal pact with "GOD" then, how come "GOD" undermines his own teachings and how come the Pope doesn't know that its acceptable if he is the representative of "GOD" ?


Please don't tell me that "GOD" only created man and gave him the freedom to do what ever he liked! and "GOD" has his mysterious ways

IAF101...who is that directed at? If me...I'm not Christian!

Homosexuality = immoral unatural acts. i can't believe how dumb society has become to appect this as an ok act for human's to carry out. There is more sense of male animals having sex with female humans. Then two men commiting unatual, unlogical acts to each other.

Any man that appects homosexuality is not a man. Any women that appects homosexuality is just being a women. Women don't have a good moral sense of morality, this why they tend be more likely date crimnals and be more appecting homosexuality.

Originally posted by Thinker
Women don't have a good moral sense of morality, this why they tend be more likely date crimnals and be more appecting homosexuality.

Ya know, I have seen you post this rhetoric over and over.
Gives you the M.O. of a danm rapist.

Misfit

Here's my 2 cents, but it's probably not worth that much

I don't consider homosexuality a sin. There's enough proof for me to accept that homosexuality is nothing new and was around before there was God in the Bible or any other God for that matter. I support the right to choose and that choice covers everything. Sexual preferences and what we do behind closed doors is our business, but don't try to change laws about it. That is the when the problems arise, I see nothing wrong with partnerships and civil unions but marriage thing, i don't believe homosexuals really need that to justify anything. They can arrange legal documentation to recieve all the benefits, perform whatever wedding rituals they want, I don't think the law needs to be changed because it causes too much of a big deal.

on a side note, I believe Bush is purposedly making a big deal of this whole gay marriage thing because he is trying to fulfill and live out the words in his bible.

sometimes i actually think it was better when people stayed in the closet, I mean they did their thing, but didn't try to shove it in our faces.

Originally posted by Thinker
Homosexuality = immoral unatural acts. i can't believe how dumb society has become etc. etc. etc.

Dude, I cannot begin to tell you what is wrong with your post. Let me just say that is one of the most anti-deny ignorance posts I have witnessed in my time here.

You have left me speechless.

Does homosexuality scare you? Do women scare you? I don't know, but people like you sure scare me.

Everyone stop!! Lets be logical here. Now then, take a minute and review your porn collection. Imagine all of those lesbian scenes GONE and erased forever.

What are you left with? You're left with a porn collection that is only half as interesting as it used to be. What a sad world...

From this alone we can determine that homosexuality is great!

Anything that doesn't harm someone else is great! We are here to live and can live however we choose as long as it doesn't harm those around us. So don't let any person or any old stuffy book tell you how to live. Live for yourself.

I'm not homosexual but I see no problem with it. Everyone has their own set of likes and dislikes. I say potato you say potatoe, my favorite color is blue yours is green. It is these different likes/dislikes and different lifestyles people lead that make this world the interesting place that it is.

I really feel the world would be a better place today if the bible had never been written. If everyone would have adopted general spirituality instead, we would still have all the morals we have today but without all of the prejudice. Everyones personal likes/dislikes and experiences would be just as important as the next persons.

We are all on a journey and as long as that journey harms noone and we don't force/persuade people to walk with us then we should be allowed to travel in peace.

Just like heterosexual relationships, homosexual relationships harm noone. You may say homosexuals try to force their lifestyle on us but they do this only because they are so oppressed. If nobody cared about what gay people did then we would never hear much of anything about it. Instead we have gay pride parades and other nonsense because the only way they can make us see our close mindedness is to shove it in our face.

Why are these people not allowed to live the way they choose? Is it because many people still cling to the teachings of a 2000 year old book? A book whose core teachings are taught in hundreds of other texts throughout history but without all of the dogmatic crap.

Lets apply occam's razor to the bible. What are we left with? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Meaning: don't do something to someone that they hate just as you do not want them to do something to you that you hate.

Everything else in the bible is uneeded fat.

Live your life and let others live theirs. This is supposedly a free country after all.