Is it Time to Ban Vaccines Once and For All?

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Rubinstein
Thanks for posting Tetrarch42

Your theory is all based on the concept that vaccines are perfectly healthy and aren't causing the majority of the serious illnesses that are around today. If people aren't going down with Cancers, Diabetes (T1), HIV, Leukemia, it saves an incredible amount of money. If children are no longer being vaccinated against Measles, then just make sure they have enough Vitamin A in their diet, provide supplements if necessary (the vaccine is more expensive than the vitamins), it's infinitely cheaper than paying for vaccines and the illnesses they bring.


Originally posted by Tetrarch42
The public health fall-out of banning vaccines would be catastrophic; we'd see a return of previously forgotten infectious disease, present endemic/cyclical diseases would become more virulent and the economic ramifications of having to treat major outbreaks would go well towards bankrupting a national economy.

In short, the answer is a resounding NO. As in if you think banning vaccines is a good idea you're so out of your depth as far as public health and infectious disease goes it isn't even funny.
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Wrong. People are actually beginning to experience things like diabetes and cancer now as a direct result of improved public health measures like vaccination and improved sanitation. People didn't develop cancer very frequently before because they died far more often from infectious disease.

Vitamin A isn't a miracle cure for measles, Vitamin A DEFICIENCY can cause more severe problems for those infected with measles(like increased risk of blindess; but that doesn't mean that measles can somehow be completely prevented or cured by sufficient vitamin A, and to make that assertion is ridiculous. That's like if I said "low calcium can cause osteoporosis; so if you have sufficient calcium you will never get osteoporosis, problem solved!" You're overstating the importance of one factor involved in recovering from measles and trying to make it seem like that is the only factor involved.

There's only two reasons you would do this:
A. You're ignorant of how measles and measles vaccines actually work and the interplay of factors involved in public health and should stay quiet on the issue, or...
B. You dislike vaccines for unrelated reasons and are being willfully ignorant or dishonest to progogate the "anti-vaccine" movement, please stop.

You've yet to provide evidence that vaccines cause any of the "major serious illnesses people face today"; so please do so.

Oh, and here's a report showing the number of deaths averted by using the measles vaccine that you so despise: www.cdc.gov...

*Note: This is a sourced and verifiable report and not just "anti-vaccer" ignorance speech.*




posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Estimates of 25 million women in Brazil were sterilized in the mid eighties immediately after childbirth. The officials claimed it was all voluntary but many of the people affected dispute that claim.

pangaea.org...

I really do think population control is at the center of the vaccination programs, although the profit motive can't be emphasized enough. Lifelong dependence on medical care and drugs for people injured by vaccines is a massive motive. And despite having motive, means and opportunity to harm people, no one is ever held to account, even when they're found guilty ~ unless one considers fines that are a drop in the bucket compared to their profits is a fair "punishment".

And the only thing we have to fight them with is non-compliance.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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I need to add, nobody is saying that there aren't infectious diseases out there, and yes some can kill.

What I am saying (and I think many mirror me here) is that vaccines aren't the way out.

The medicine causes more harm than good.

Have we seen that before? Hmmm...



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Tetrarch42: Oh, and here's a report showing the number of deaths averted by using the measles vaccine that you so despise: www.cdc.gov...

Just a little sidebar here on your source. CDC ~ Center for Disease CONTROL. Is that what they do? Control disease? Or maybe they're just controlling public knowledge regarding disease? I don't know about you but I'd far prefer an organization named Center for Disease PREVENTION or Center for Disease ERADICATION. Wouldn't you?

Dec 17, 2008 ... Firing of water utility whistleblower spotlights CDC reluctance to address new safety concerns about water fluoridation ...
www.fluoridealert.org/ Alert/ United-States/ Georgia/ Firing-of-water-utility-whistleblower-spotlights-C.aspx

Syphillis?

When Peter Buxton, a social worker and the whistleblower of the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, tried to expose the experiment in 1966 by writing to the CDC , ...

In his book James Jones reported that the CDC authorities "did not think that they were doing anything wrong, but they were worried that people who did not understand medical research might make trouble if the press became involved. They saw the experiment as a public relations problem that could have severe political repercussions."

The CDC actually then convened a "blue ribbon panel" to decide what to do, rather than immediately treat victims of the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. The "blue ribbon panel" decided against treating the patients and in essence let the experiment continue.
www.whale.to/vaccine/tuskegee_h.html

What did CDC ever do to earn your trust?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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TZela So you are hypothesizing that the dna from the aborted fetus cells in the 1960s are causing a proliferation of autism now? Why weren't scores of children autistic from contamination during the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, etc.

TZela, the aborted fetal cells from the 1960's were never intended for use with vaccines. It was only in the 80's that they started using them to cultivate viruses for vaccines, 1988 was the "Change Point" in the rise of Autism Disorder rates in the U.S. The vaccines were produced using the fetal cells and contain "residual human DNA and cellular debris"

Study Confirms Autism Boom - Correlates with Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines
www.lifesitenews.com...

TZela And on top of this you are claiming additional diseases such as cancer and Type 1 diabetes are caused from the same thing? How do you explain autism, cancer, and diabetes in people who have not been vaccinated? 1988 was the "change point"

Autism - There is the original Autism, that's the genetic one, the one where people have special skills (mathematical, musical etc), that's very different. Aspergers for example, nothing to do with vaccines. It's very rare, but it's nothing to do with vaccines. The autoimmune Autism is the one that comes from vaccines.

Cancer - That's not an autoimmune disease, it coming from the SV40 (virus) and formaldehyde (carcinogen) in the vaccines. It's very rare that someone who is not vaccinated will go down with Cancer.

Dr. W. B. Clarke of Indiana, finds that "Cancer was practically unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to deal with at least two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated person."--Eustace Mullins www.whale.to...

Diabetes Type 1 was incredibly rare before the mass vaccination programs

"In the May 24, 1996 New Zealand Medical Journal, Dr. Classen reported that there was a 60 percent increase in Type I diabetes (juvenile diabetes) following a massive campaign in New Zealand from 1988 to 1991 to vaccinate babies six weeks of age or older with hepatitis B vaccine. His analysis of a group of 100,000 New Zealand children prospectively followed since 1982 showed that the incidence of diabetes before the hepatitis B vaccination program began in 1988 was 11.2 cases per 100,000 children per year while the incidence of diabetes following the hepatitis B vaccination campaign was 18.2 cases per 100,000 children per year."

www.nvic.org...

"More Vaccines Equal More Diabetes - In the October 22, 1997 Infectious Diseases in Clinical Practice, Classen presented more data further substantiating his findings of a vaccine-diabetes connection. He reported that the incidence of diabetes in Finland was stable in children under 4 years of age until the government made several changes in its childhood vaccination schedule. In 1974, 130,000 children aged 3 months to 4 years were enrolled in a vaccine experimental trial and injected with Hib vaccine or meningococcal vaccine. Then, in 1976, the pertussis vaccine used in Finland was made stronger by adding a second strain of bacteria. During the years 1977 to 1979, there was a 64 percent increase in the incidence of Type 1 diabetes in Finland compared to the years 1970 to 1976."

www.nvic.org...



You mentioned screening, that would be good. For now anyone with autoimmune disorders in their family should avoid vaccines 100%
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Thanks for posting Tetrarch42, let's go through these

Tetrarch42 - Wrong. People are actually beginning to experience things like diabetes and cancer now as a direct result of improved public health measures like vaccination and improved sanitation. People didn't develop cancer very frequently before because they died far more often from infectious disease.

Please explain why diabetes type 1 would be due to improved sanitation? An autoimmune disease from improved sanitation, I don't follow you. From vaccination yes, if you tinker with the immune system you can cause autoimmune diseases such as Diabetes Type 1 or MS

Juvenile Diabetes and Vaccination: - New Evidence for a Connection
www.nvic.org...

You believe that the overall increase in cancers is due to the fact we live longer. That wouldn't explain why there is an increase in cancers at all age ranges, including children; childhood cancers have been rising steadily since the 1970's, as have the number of childhood vaccines. The Chief of the Merck Vaccine division found a Cancer-Causing virus (SV40) was contaminating their vaccines. (as previously mentioned)

"The rate of childhood cancer has slowly increased over the last three decades, research has found. "
news.bbc.co.uk...

Tetrarch42 - Vitamin A isn't a miracle cure for measles, Vitamin A DEFICIENCY can cause more severe problems for those infected with measles(like increased risk of blindess; but that doesn't mean that measles can somehow be completely prevented or cured by sufficient vitamin A, and to make that assertion is ridiculous. That's like if I said "low calcium can cause osteoporosis; so if you have sufficient calcium you will never get osteoporosis, problem solved!" You're overstating the importance of one factor involved in recovering from measles and trying to make it seem like that is the only factor involved.

Vitamin A isn't a cure for measles, but it is those who are deficient in Vitamin A who are at risk if they catch measles. It's absolutely fine to get measles, perfectly natural and healthy, just as long as you've got enough Vitamin A. It's actually good for you, it makes you grow taller, leaves you immune to various Cancers, it has also been shown to improve artistic ability. I would strongly recommend that every healthy and well nourished child should catch measles.

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth - Chapter 7 Are Childhood diseases dangerous
tv.naturalnews.com...

Tetrarch42 - There's only two reasons you would do this: A. You're ignorant of how measles and measles vaccines actually work and the interplay of factors involved in public health and should stay quiet on the issue, or... B. You dislike vaccines for unrelated reasons and are being willfully ignorant or dishonest to progogate the "anti-vaccine" movement, please stop.

Answer to A, as you'll see above you misunderstood what I was saying about the relationship between Vitamin A and Measles.

Answer to B, I do dislike vaccines, but because I've seen what they can do, I have been touched by the tragedy of vaccines.

You think you know more than me, you think the information you have is accurate and trustworthy. Let me tell you, as someone who has researched vaccines for over 10 years, the information that's given to the public from Big Pharma about vaccine safety is about as accurate as the 9/11 Official Story.


Tetrarch42 - You've yet to provide evidence that vaccines cause any of the "major serious illnesses people face today"; so please do so.

It's all over the thread, if you haven't looked at every post in the thread you shouldn't state that as a fact.

Jab linked to multiple sclerosis
news.bbc.co.uk...

New Evidence of Vaccine-Associated Increases in Diabetes
www.nvic.org...

Bayer Caught Knowingly Selling HIV-Contaminated Vaccines
www.youtube.com...

Map of Hep B Vaccination sites in Africa showing rates of HIV
www.originofaids.com...

Swine flu jab 'narcolepsy risk'
www.bbc.co.uk...

Former Merck Vaccine Chief Dr Maurice Hilleman admits Cancer causing SV40 is in vaccines
www.youtube.com...

I could go on all day, but you should be getting the idea. Let's not forget Crib/Cot Death, which completely disappears when you stop vaccinating under-2's, like in Japan.

Tetrarch42 - Oh, and here's a report showing the number of deaths averted by using the measles vaccine that you so despise: www.cdc.gov...

Come on Tetrarch42, please don't quote the CDC here, you do know they have revolving doors with Big Pharma so are hence not independent, if a study comes from the CDC it's effectively just Marketing, like an Advert
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Here are some famous quotes on vaccines for anyone who wants to learn more

www.vaclib.org...

I'll paste a few of them here too...

"My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others." --Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.

"Every day new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby, child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster followed by a sudden fall or slow, but steady decline into autism or other spectrums disorder."--The Hope Project (Ireland)

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.

"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood. --Harris L.Coulter, PhD.

"Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS." --Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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:Nice work frazzle, thanks for this!


Originally posted by frazzle
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Estimates of 25 million women in Brazil were sterilized in the mid eighties immediately after childbirth. The officials claimed it was all voluntary but many of the people affected dispute that claim.

pangaea.org...

I really do think population control is at the center of the vaccination programs, although the profit motive can't be emphasized enough. Lifelong dependence on medical care and drugs for people injured by vaccines is a massive motive. And despite having motive, means and opportunity to harm people, no one is ever held to account, even when they're found guilty ~ unless one considers fines that are a drop in the bucket compared to their profits is a fair "punishment".

And the only thing we have to fight them with is non-compliance.




posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Thanks for the links frazzle. They try to get the water fluoridated where I live, but fortunately most people here seem to know it's a bad idea

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rubinstein
TZela

Autism - There is the original Autism, that's the genetic one, the one where people have special skills (mathematical, musical etc), that's very different. Aspergers for example, nothing to do with vaccines. It's very rare, but it's nothing to do with vaccines. The autoimmune Autism is the one that comes from vaccines.


I doesn’t matter how many subtypes of autism there are if there are documented cases of unvaccinated children who have them. Can you provide reliable medical research or statement that ALL children who have the non genetic autoimmune autism have been vaccinated? If not then your hypothesis that vaccines "cause" autism is seriously compromised from the beginning.

You have consistently provided biased, on the fringe conspiracy as sources for your “facts.”

In their “About Us”
Section LifeSiteNews.com states as one of its tenets that an attack on life in family is caused by “secularists attempting to eliminate Christian morality and natural law principles which are seen as the primary obstacles to implementing their new world order.” Well I guess at least you are posting on a conspiracy website.


3. LifeSiteNews.com’s writers and its founders, have come to understand that respect for life and family are endangered by an international conflict. That conflict is between radically opposed views of the worth and dignity of every human life and of family life and community. It has been caused by secularists attempting to eliminate Christian morality and natural law principles which are seen as the primary obstacles to implementing their new world order.

Who Produces LifeSiteNews?
The service was originally started by Campaign Life Coalition (CLC), a Canadian national pro-life organization headquartered in Toronto, Canada. Campaign Life Coalition, founded in 1978, was one of the first pro-life organizations to emphasize the international dimension of attacks on life and family

www.lifesitenews.com...

I just hope if there is anyone seriously considering not vaccinating their children they look at other unbiased studies and publications before making a decision.



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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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This it it! Agreed fourthmeal


Vaccine Damage is being covered up, both sides of the story are not getting out. It's the same Banking families who create war for profit that have control of Big Pharma, so why would people think they wouldn't make us sick for profit. Maybe people think that those in the West will be looked after, unfortunately that's not the case, we are just used in a different way, we are enslaved with debt and illness. The Banker's don't need to start wars in our countries as they already own us.


Originally posted by fourthmeal
I need to add, nobody is saying that there aren't infectious diseases out there, and yes some can kill.

What I am saying (and I think many mirror me here) is that vaccines aren't the way out.

The medicine causes more harm than good.

Have we seen that before? Hmmm...
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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WHO swine flu scam with forced vaccination should be enough for thinking person to see the big lie. And it was for many. No one organized school vaccination campaigns with vitamin D which was proven to be much more effective and safe. As illogical as slow depopulaton of your own country, wars...I used to search for logic in "their" intentions and deeds but sometimes it's more logical to see it simply as the evil. Profit and pleasure corrupts people's hearts and make them puppets of greater evil they don't know.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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TZela,

I'd always recommend using a wide variety of sources, with LifeSiteNews look at where they have referenced in the articles, look through their sources.

There aren't many communities left who don't vaccinate. The Amish are one of the few who rarely vaccinate. One of the main reasons that vaccines are pushed so strongly on all communities is so as you don't get a situation like this, where we get to compare who is healthier; vaccinated or unvaccinated?

The Amish Don't Get Autism
healthwyze.org...

"There have been 3 (yes three) verified cases of autism in the Amish, and at least two of those children were vaccinated. No information is available for the third. "

"The strong correlation between vaccinations and autism is absolutely undeniable, unless you work for the medical establishment, the government, or Big Media. "

"Heart disease, cancer, and diabetes are virtually non-existent in Amish villages. "

Survey Results: Are Unvaccinated Children Healthier?
www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com...

I want to make sure that people can make an informed decision on vaccination, it's very difficult for them to do so these days, but at least people who view this thread can get to read the other side of the story; this will enable them to make a balanced decision.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by PapagiorgioCZ
WHO swine flu scam with forced vaccination should be enough for thinking person to see the big lie. And it was for many. No one organized school vaccination campaigns with vitamin D which was proven to be much more effective and safe. As illogical as slow depopulaton of your own country, wars...I used to search for logic in "their" intentions and deeds but sometimes it's more logical to see it simply as the evil. Profit and pleasure corrupts people's hearts and make them puppets of greater evil they don't know.


PapagiorgioCZ,

Overall I'd say the Swine Flu Scam backfired, it woke a lot of people up, especially once the Council of Europe appeared on the scene and called out the False Flag Pandemic

Council of Europe to discuss whether pharmaceutical firms spread alarm over pandemic to boost orders of medicines
www.guardian.co.uk...
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Some interesting news stories here of Vaccine Bans...

Why Japan banned MMR vaccine
www.dailymail.co.uk...

"Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter had been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they say.

The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions."

Australia: Flu vaccine ban for children under 5
"AUSTRALIAN health authorities have announced a nation-wide ban on children under 5 being vaccinated for the seasonal flu. "
www.couriermail.com.au...

Flu Vaccines Banned in Japan
"Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare has pulled two ‘flu’ vaccines from the market in the wake of the deaths of several children. The two vaccines, Pfizer’s Prevenar and Sanofi-Aventis’ Act-HIB, are widely used in the USA to prevent influenzae type b."
www.healthcmi.com...

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Rubinstein
Thanks for the links frazzle. They try to get the water fluoridated where I live, but fortunately most people here seem to know it's a bad idea

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Well, you're very welcome but we all know you're doing the heavy lifting around here, I'm just adding whatever I can because I hate to see people being MADE sick.

Every drop of water from the tap in my neck of the woods is flouridated unless you have a private well and they're trying like mad to get those capped. The blankety blank blank politicians around here have their heads buried so far in the sand you can barely see their pink little toesies, the flouride is playing havoc with their two collective brain cells, I suppose.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Takes up a lot of time, but it's definitely worth it, as everyone can see with the result of this debate; the truth is getting harder to suppress

I'm sorry to hear about the fluoride in your area, I always said if they did that in my town I'd relocate, but I know it's not always that easy. It's a smoking gun that they're trying to cap the wells


Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Rubinstein
Thanks for the links frazzle. They try to get the water fluoridated where I live, but fortunately most people here seem to know it's a bad idea

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Well, you're very welcome but we all know you're doing the heavy lifting around here, I'm just adding whatever I can because I hate to see people being MADE sick.

Every drop of water from the tap in my neck of the woods is flouridated unless you have a private well and they're trying like mad to get those capped. The blankety blank blank politicians around here have their heads buried so far in the sand you can barely see their pink little toesies, the flouride is playing havoc with their two collective brain cells, I suppose.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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It may be getting harder to suppress, but they're hitting us from so many different directions its almost impossible to assimilate it all. The health aspect is the most important thing, though, because without our health nothing else matters much and it seems to me that over the course of my lifetime people have been gradually weakened in almost every way possible.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:56 AM
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I'm sorry, but even Carl Sagan's conspiracy addicted 2nd cousin would ask for extraordinary proof in the case of vaccinations being a main factor in the causation of the degradation of human health. Proof from extraordinary people is not the same as scientific consensus. I think everyone deserves a chance to conspire in this thread, but the right to argue a scientific matter thats scrutinized heavily by the scientific community should only be thus.

I'm going to CONSPIRE that the VAST majority of users in this particular thread took their last last science credit when it was mandatory to do so, and therefore have no institutional understanding in biology/ chemistry, instead relying on the media, reading wikipedia, watching videos with doctors (some alternative ones with a doctorate in philosophy or anything NON BIO/CHEM), or actually trying to look up scholarly journals but end up sourcing the abstract because to get the entire documentation, either a fee or proof of post secondary education is required (ByTheWay; Canadian with an Undergrad in Biological Sciences currently pursuing Masters in Microbiology/ Genetics here; don't have to believe me, cause I sure as heck don't believe the dribble I'm reading on this thread). Like a thespian acting their part, the theorists on this thread are acting with the information self taught to themselves (MOSLTY INCORRECT), acting as if they have discovered or uncovered something incomprehensible to those who have studied it all their lives, have been forced to think critically, prove statistically, and have something to show for it at the end of the day (degrees, jobs in the medical field).
I have a conspiracy; What if all the conspirators against vaccines have been lied to, brainwashed if you will, into believing vaccines are a useless bane that does more harm than good? What is worse, death caused by an easily preventable virus, or being part of a small percentage of people that may experience a side- effect?

There exists some scholarly journals pointing to potentially adverse side-effects of vaccines. I've seen them, I've read them, and most importantly I've studied them. A lot of the papers show mathematically insignificant proof, while even fewer show possible correlations. Do you know what's funny? Many of the journals correlate a select few variables or worse, ONLY VACCINES, thus making them the apparent scapegoat for ULTIMATE CAUSATION of the worsening human health condition.

We live in an unnatural world with artificial intervention at every turn, the idea of trying to live a natural life is laughable. The widespread use of manmade organic/ inorganic molecules in terrestrial and aquatic habitats, increased exposure to radiation due to longer lives/ medical scanners thus damaging our germ lines, the increased use and accumulation of antibiotics and the ever evolving human genome are only a select few that could be causes for what people PERCEIVE as the degradation of human health. As humans, the only way to live in an unnatural world, is to equip ourselves with "unnatural" tools necessary to ensure survival (ie VACCINES).

This thread has become a religious argument ever since OP started the discussion and ended with his stance, forcing his views upon the next posters, thanking his supporters, and ridiculing those who call bullsh*t with ridiculous video "proof". I respect all VIEWS and ORIGINAL IDEAS, because they are yours and the proof is within you, something I cannot argue. Science is the hardest subject to debate about because nothing matters unless YOU understand the basics. I find that the pretenders tend to stray away from the vaccine debate and delve into capitalist conspiracies, or hidden agenda themes because they have no idea what the difference between an attenuated or inactivated vaccine is, what is a pathogen, what is an antigen, how do vaccines actually work etc. If you start pulling random references about the vaccine topic yet have no idea what they mean or how they work on a basic level, just going by on what you hear or see, then perhaps you're being lied to, perhaps you haven't been told the whole story yet.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Do you even know the definition of pandemic?

And UM...the first flu pandemic was in the 1500s. The vaccine was developed in 1930. I think you need to do more research.

I don't think all vaccines are created equal. Everything is absolutes on ATS. Its either all good or all bad.
I do not like the MMR vaccine, I do not believe in forced vaccinations. I think the flu vaccine is fine. And do think people should get it considering how rampant the flu is.

Worldwide a half a million people die from the flu.

If a new disease came out with those deathrates, half of ats would be in a panic.
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