Real Anarchy = Real Change

Real Anarchy brings about real change.

Anarchy is a must in order to reach that great change.

Anarchy abandons the old order and over time sees to it that the old order is replaced with something new and better.

That's the purpose of anarchy. It's purpose is not to remain, but to replace something that wasn't good.

So, all in all, we need to bring anarchy in till we see the change we would like to see.

It's like keep bringing in anarchy till we get it right, I say.

Discuss!

Many people associate Anarchy with chaos.
Yet this is not what Anarchy is
Can you explain what you mean by Anarchy please

reply to post by WarJohn


Hell yes man, the only way we will get change is by violent demonstration...i am not advocating the use of violent demonstration but peaceful activism is failing,look at the media coverage the riots in london,yet OWS was relatively uncovered,some may say that is a stupid comparison but violence grabs headlines regardless of context.There needs to be something thats makes the governments fear us,rather than us fearing them and their police state.If everyone stood together it is possible!

Originally posted by WarJohn
Real Anarchy brings about real change.

Anarchy is a must in order to reach that great change.

Anarchy abandons the old order and over time sees to it that the old order is replaced with something new and better.

That's the purpose of anarchy. It's purpose is not to remain, but to replace something that wasn't good.

So, all in all, we need to bring anarchy in till we see the change we would like to see.

It's like keep bringing in anarchy till we get it right, I say.

Discuss!

edit on 23-4-2012 by WarJohn because: (no reason given)

I might be wrong, but I don't think you know what true Anarchism is.

Anarchism is not just a chaotic transition between an old system and a new one.

Originally posted by ScottishBiker420
reply to post by WarJohn

 

Hell yes man, the only way we will get change is by violent demonstration...i am not advocating the use of violent demonstration but peaceful activism is failing,look at the media coverage the riots in london,yet OWS was relatively uncovered,some may say that is a stupid comparison but violence grabs headlines regardless of context.There needs to be something thats makes the governments fear us,rather than us fearing them and their police state.If everyone stood together it is possible!

Anarchism is not violent demo's.

What sort of change would you like to see, WarJohn?

Seen any footage of Syria lately?

Think it'd be any different over here?

During the French Revolution - Anarchist's were seen as the enemy also - Seeking to redistribute wealth so all in need were cared for. Money was not a consideration - if a widow was hungry they wuold get her bread from the baker. If someone required medicines - A pharmacist would be asked to give that.
So no money but each given what they required and those able to give by their labours did so freely.
This is why it did not last very long till power hungry know it alls took over.
Anarchy is the opposite to violent change and those who call themselves Anarchists are just fulfilling the role that those in power accused them of - So I see no true anarchist's just brainwashed people who call themselves such

Originally posted by artistpoet
Many people associate Anarchy with chaos.
Yet this is not what Anarchy is
Can you explain what you mean by Anarchy please

Chaos and anarchy are synonymous.

Well if the OP means Anarchy, as in chaos, then the OP is somewhat right.

If the OP means Anarchism then the OP is wrong.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism", Mikhail Bakunin

Anarchism is a political system that advocates direct action, rather than political (Marxism), to change the system. The ultimate goal, as in all left-wing ideologies, is free association.

In the anarchist, Marxist and socialist sense, free association (also called free association of producers or, as Marx often called it, community of freely associated individuals) is a kind of relation between individuals where there is no state, social class or authority, in a society that has abolished the private property of means of production. Once private property is abolished, individuals are no longer deprived of access to means of production so they can freely associate themselves (without social constraint) to produce and reproduce their own conditions of existence and fulfill their needs and desires.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by emberscott

Originally posted by artistpoet
Many people associate Anarchy with chaos.
Yet this is not what Anarchy is
Can you explain what you mean by Anarchy please

Chaos and anarchy are synonymous.

In our modern times yes but todays so called Anarchism is a bastardization of it's original intent which is now lost

It depends if it's being covertly controlled by the people at the top of the system, like OWS was and Anonymous

Don't forget, Wikileaks is actually a Rothschild operation, they used it to start the Arab Springs

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You should watch this:

No one should be called an anarchist. They should be called a temporary anarchist.

Why?

Because anarchy is not meant to remain.

I am implying the chaos version of the versions there are.

And there are other versions that aren't chaos related.

Originally posted by WarJohn
No one should be called an anarchist. They should be called a temporary anarchist.

Why?

Because anarchy is not meant to remain.

I am implying the chaos version of the versions there are.

And there are other versions that aren't chaos related.

Either educate yourself to what Anarchism is, or stop using the word incorrectly and use the word chaos instead, it would save alot of confusion.

Originally posted by artistpoet

Originally posted by emberscott

Originally posted by artistpoet
Many people associate Anarchy with chaos.
Yet this is not what Anarchy is
Can you explain what you mean by Anarchy please

Chaos and anarchy are synonymous.

In our modern times yes but todays so called Anarchism is a bastardization of it's original intent which is now lost

Maybe you read the original post predisposed. I read nothing in the original post that refers to anarchism or rather mobocracy. Which I now gather you are referring to given your posts.

What I read in the original post is the idea that through chaos you can find a sense of order if order is what you seek in life you must first embrace chaos.



My mistake just realized this is in the political ideology forum. That would explain why everyone is referring to ploitics.

Originally posted by WarJohn
No one should be called an anarchist. They should be called a temporary anarchist.

Why?

Because anarchy is not meant to remain.

I am implying the chaos version of the versions there are.

And there are other versions that aren't chaos related.

There is no chaos version of anarchism. You can use the word anarchy to assume chaos if you wish, but there is no political system of anarchism that promotes chaos. In fact quite the opposite. Even if there was anarchy in the literal sense of no organization at all, it still doesn't mean there would be chaos, because we would automatically organize. In fact the economic system of capitalism is completely chaotic, people organize to control it.

We are sold the lie of extreme individuality, but that is not our nature. Our nature is to be social and work together.
The capitalist work together, and sell us the lie of 'individuality', over collective organization, in order to keep us from gaining power again like we had in the 1930's.

If you want chaos then anarchy doesn't even really come into it, other than another word to describe chaos. I disagree chaos is required to make change, but I agree chaos does make change.

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I was not trying to suggest it was,merely saying that violence and damage get responses which peaceful activism doesnt...

I would never personally advocate anarchy as a structure of society, but I view anarchy as perhaps a necessary phase in the growth and evolution of society as a whole. Anarchy is the catalyst through which a major shift in established rule and organization is initiated, which is invariably followed by a different form of order being implemented within the society. Anarchy should only be fleeting in nature yet savage in its brief existence, much like a battering ram upon a stone wall: its only purpose should be to breach the otherwise impenetrable so that those wielding it can pour through to meet their adversaries on more equal terms.

Marching children into a gas chamber is real change. Not all change is for the better nor with pure intent.Harmony with Truths that are self-evident, though maniacally denied as valid by the arbiters of this "change" are the foundations of our violence on both sides. 2 dimensional thinkers with 4 dimensional weapons know not what lasting harm they wrought on mankind.