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Jesus is NOT God's only son.

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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by OccamAssassin
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Whichever version puts the universe at 6000 years old.


Well that is easy....none of them.

You will find that the 6000y date was actually based on a modern christian fundamentalist's idea on biblical chronology. It doesn't take into account that the bible is a culmination of accounts and that there are large periods in between events.


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Sumer was oh.. about 6000 years ago.




posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Or
1) Evolution
2) Jesus is not the son of god (as he never even claimed to be so)
3) The bible IS altered and most likely far from god's truth, if there ever was.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Everyone is a son of God, as everyone is a product of nature.

The deal with Jesus was he came to understand the deeper than literal meanings of the Bible Narratives.

But teaching those deeper meanings to his disciples proved to be something impossible, and it not only nearly killed him but did kill almost all the rest of them.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by purplemonkeydishwasher
Sumer was oh.. about 6000 years ago.


What's your point? They are the oldest known civilization with a written record. There is evidence of archaeological sites that date back 14,000 years as they were hunter/gathers with no written language.

Just because Sumer dates back 6,000 years, that's not evidence they were the first people mentioned in the Bible.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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You are right, Yeshua is not God's only son, because he is God and his believers are his sons. We are the sons of God.

So why did you bother to post what we already know?



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Good verse reminder! Let's see what Strong's says about ''world'' meaning.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

From the Strong's Reference the ''world'' in this verse is :

G2889
κόσμος

kosmos
kos'-mos

Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

So good point. Unless there is more to be seen here. World does appear to be as the cosmos imo. And it is true He IS the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son.

Thank you for the verse


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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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On top of that some organisms are far older than 6000 years.
example: Pando
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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It only makes no sense to you because you Believe Hayah Hayah is small and thinks like you.
Ask yourself this question to understand an omnipresent being.
Why didn't he make the ceiling of your apartment the end of the universe?
Or the tops of trees?
Or the ionosphere of Earth?
Because He is Omnipresent!
And He is Omnipotent.
Ask yourself why we could be the only life in this universe? Because He's omnipotent?
There is no reason to believe there are not 1 quadrillion other universes where Yah made 1 Earth for His cherished creations is there?
Only in the finite mind can this become absolute in thought.
To an infinite mind it's small potatos.
You think with a finite mind that has a beginning and an end to all things.
You have no choice yet you attempt to bind the infinite to the finite restricting both time and matter because thats all you are. But not Yah.
He is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient.
You are not.
So the expanse of the universe is there for you, not Him.
It is for your understanding of Him that it is so vast yet you see it as a reason to limit your understanding instead.
""Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '?"
Sorry if I thought about it too much but that is what comes from understanding the Word as a tool of instruction and not a book of confusion. The answers are in the Book. The understanding from his Holy Spirit.
The desire, from you!



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by swan001
Me was thinking the same thing. Maybe Jesus is God's only HUMAN son?
Would be useless for the Bible to talk about God's only son from Andromedae galaxy if God knows we live on Earth.


This is an excellent point and makes perfect sense to me. We wouldn't hear about another son from another galaxy because it would be too confusing for people. Much of the bible is confusing enough as it is.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:17 AM
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Yea, mate. That's it.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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The universe is full of trillions on top of trillions of stars. The likelihood of life existing elsewhere in the universe, although unproven, is high. So why would God pick Earth, out of all of those planets with life on them, to send his only son to? You see? It makes no sense.


Jesus has been sent to many places besides Earth. You will only hear about it for Earth because the bible is the only book that was given to man about these events. This Earth is the worst of all of the other places. We as a whole have chosen a different path than the others, hence why it was needed for here.
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by jhill76
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The universe is full of trillions on top of trillions of stars. The likelihood of life existing elsewhere in the universe, although unproven, is high. So why would God pick Earth, out of all of those planets with life on them, to send his only son to? You see? It makes no sense.


Jesus has been sent to many places besides Earth. You will only hear about it for Earth because the bible is the only book that was given to man about these events. This Earth is the worst of all of the other places. We as a whole have chosen a different path than the others, hence why it was needed for here.
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And where did you get this information?



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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There is a distinction made in John 3:16 where Jesus is referred to as God's only BEGOTTEN son.

Sigh. Look up the word. "Begotten" is the past tense of "Beget," and means simply "to procreate or generate (offspring)". I too have an "only begotten son". And so does everyone else that has a son.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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There is a distinction made in John 3:16 where Jesus is referred to as God's only BEGOTTEN son.

Sigh. Look up the word. "Begotten" is the past tense of "Beget," and means simply "to procreate or generate (offspring)". I too have an "only begotten son". And so does everyone else that has a son.


This is the best thing you have yet to post.
As C.S. Lewis stated (paraphrased)
"Pigs beget pigs, elephants beget elephants, man begets man and God begets God"
A man can create a statue, but it is not his son in any way.
Yah created man, but it is not His begotten
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btw, star for your post

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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Now i have probably got totally the wrong end of the stick here (usually have regarding religion) but wasn't Jesus a fisherman from the shores of Lake Galilee? Families in the region at that time frame were almost always far more than one child. As such, Jesus would have had brothers and sisters.......surely these would, technically, have been the half children of God?


By the way, the evidence for family make up at this period and similar location is available from contemporary texts and archeological excavations........

Sorry for not strictly sticking to your guidelines but that is how i, at least, see it.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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You might want to read your first paragraph again. What part of Joseph and Mary having other children makes their offspring half children of God if only Joseph and Mary were used to make those children? It only makes Jesus a half brother with His other siblings. It doesn't make them half children of God. You do realize that Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father?
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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You might want to read your first paragraph again. What part of Joseph and Mary having other children makes their offspring half children of God if only Joseph and Mary were used to make those children? It only makes Jesus a half brother with His other siblings. It doesn't make them half children of God. You do realize that Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father?
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D'oh! Star for you for pointing out the bleeding obvious! (which i clearly missed
).

Mind you though, if that womb was impregnated by God then, at the very least, surely other siblings that shared said womb would at the least be really good fishermen!



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