Detected by ISS cameras: Multiple UFOs in Low Earth Orbit....

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by MoreThanTheSum
And as for NASA, my point was: what kind of response do you think you're going to get if you -ask- for astronaut witnesses? I didn't say they were aliens, don't speak for me. I'm saying do you think NASA's going to just give you names? Hundreds of people, pictures, files, etc. have disappeared into that abyss, and they protect their own. Most likely, you're going to be laughed out of the office for even asking, as they've been trained to believe that there is no such thing as UFOs. Anywhere. Which, in my opinion, is a mathematical impossibility.

Why do you even bother to discuss 'evidence', then -- if you already know for sure all the answers?

I'm baffled by your implication that NASA wouldn't tell ther public the names of flight crews and ground crews at specific times of possible incidents. Those staffs are on public record.

As for what's "most likely", I'll tell you what happens when I want to speak to an astronaut about current or historical cases. I call them, or email them, or otherwise contact them, or somebody I know who knows them, and we talk about it. I've known and worked with astronauts for forty years. Ditto flight control specialists -- I was one. You can see the pictures of me with these colleagues and friends over the years, on my website.

You seem to have woven a fantasy excuse for not doing deep research and for automatically disregarding the results of anybody else's deep research, if it conflicts with the conclusions you've already reached.

If you disagree with my research results, please criticize them with specifics, not just a plea that you're incapable of believing contrary assessments.

Was I somehow supposed to be clairvoyantly aware of your qualifications? Do I meticulously research every ATS member I strike up a conversation with? I seem to have bruised your ego, sir, and for that I apologize. I was unaware that you were a FC specialist. I am, obviously, a nobody with an opinion. And I was of the opinion that I was free to debate that opinion here. Apparently, unless one has done "deep research", your words, not mine, you are disqualified from having discussions on the topic. That's fine. When a moderator tells me this. Admittedly, I have not spent 20+ years of my life devoted to researching this topic, as I am not even that old, and I have other, more pressing duties to attend to, such as jobs and schoolwork. However, I am fascinated by the theory of UFOs and alien life, and through my personal experiences, not all of which even have to do directly with paranormal phenomena, I have come to some conclusions. Said conclusions run counter to your conclusions on the subject. However, isn't that what's supposed to spark discussion, not snarking? To be honest, I was unaware that NASA had the majority of their records in the public domain. So, I suppose it would be fairly easy to contact the person of your choice, then. However, they could choose not to respond. Or be instructed not to. Or, the records could simply be faked. I'm simply offering opinions here, again going off of "the government is not your friend" point that I made in my previous post. That's where most of my theories begin.

Originally posted by MoreThanTheSum
Was I somehow supposed to be clairvoyantly aware of your qualifications? Do I meticulously research every ATS member I strike up a conversation with? I seem to have bruised your ego, sir, and for that I apologize. I was unaware that you were a FC specialist. I am, obviously, a nobody with an opinion. And I was of the opinion that I was free to debate that opinion here. Apparently, unless one has done "deep research", your words, not mine, you are disqualified from having discussions on the topic. That's fine. When a moderator tells me this. Admittedly, I have not spent 20+ years of my life devoted to researching this topic, as I am not even that old, and I have other, more pressing duties to attend to, such as jobs and schoolwork. However, I am fascinated by the theory of UFOs and alien life, and through my personal experiences, not all of which even have to do directly with paranormal phenomena, I have come to some conclusions. Said conclusions run counter to your conclusions on the subject. However, isn't that what's supposed to spark discussion, not snarking? To be honest, I was unaware that NASA had the majority of their records in the public domain. So, I suppose it would be fairly easy to contact the person of your choice, then. However, they could choose not to respond. Or be instructed not to. Or, the records could simply be faked. I'm simply offering opinions here, again going off of "the government is not your friend" point that I made in my previous post. That's where most of my theories begin.

Come on, a privilege of being an old fart is you get to crap on the snot-nose kids. And the kids learn to take it with good humor.

I try to explain in the FAQs why the subject is of interest to me -- mainly, because kids like you remind me of me. You have the right instincts and the right curiosity and your only fault [as was mine] was a little too much certainty in one's still wet-paint conclusions. That's what these threads are for. Also, the subject is important -- it's not all nonsense.

please work at digesting what I've tried to distill in the '99', which is the kinds of comments I've made in recent years with bright, excited posters on ATM.

If we can ever get the origin data on the OP's videos -- which I doubt -- we can work on some specific proposed prosaic explanations.

But there are plenty of others to work on.

The one time that a 'UFO' was NOT observed and identified, as the piece of columbia's stove-in wing drifted away in orbit, friends of mine died. So I am somewhat obsessed with watching for, spotting, filtering out, and acting on really unusual stuff. Reports such as kovalyonok's are also intriguing. Not ALL nonsense by any means.

Gotta go do real work for awhile -- i'll be back.

Honestly. I just don't need anymore proof that there are UFO's. I've believed they exist for many years.

When I run into someone who doesn't "get it"... I am not offended. I simply wish them the best and pray for their eyes to be opened in their lifetime.

What I'd like to know..is...now what?

Once you get over having to prove to everyone that UFO's exist, you can get to larger issues.... as in

"what does it all mean?"

they all looked kind of plausible apart from the last one (with 3 in the image) as you can clearly see the objects disappearing behind a layer mask at 1:36 (second vid)

the thing that got me intrigued was the fact that some of the objects in the first video appear to drag cloud cover or cause atmospheric disturbance - not sure that can be explained by high orbit objects - 0:58 in first vid.

could be fake of course, depends on the credibility of the source material.

Originally posted by stainlesssteelrat
Your ignorance in the matter is not your fault really Just an effect of succesful mind conditioning operation going on for last 60 years

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I love it when people call everyone who doesn't agree with them brainwashed, while the idea that THEY are brainwashed is completely absurd, because they don't believe the same things most other people do.

We are all highly conditioned by our respective societies so said societies can levy a certain amount of control over each of us, so one should not assume that they are unaffected by this conditioning. Even more important, though, is the question of who brainwashed those who call us(skeptics) brainwashed?

reply to post by JimOberg
WOW...what a rude & disgusting thing to say about ATS members! ....you like to "crap on the snot-nose kids"....& "kids learn to take it".

That is a pathetic comment. ATS members are known by their ATS ID.... & are of ALL ages & many are women.

Do not "crap on" members period.

I assume that you "crap on" both sexes the same, but is your "crap" softer with the ladies of ATS? How do you tell who is a "snot-nosed kid".. to crap on? "Kids learn to take it", sounds like a child abuser!

My goodness Jimmy, you should do less crapping on members & try debating..with a cool head...in the ATS spirit as continually told to us by the ATS board posts about being human..& not crapping on anyone.

You are a 'Mr. know it all', without any access to NASA UFO videos from NASA...only what they choose to show you..thus it is all what you think you know...

If you had all the various mission's downlinks, complete 100% coverage like Martyn Stubbs (secretnasaman channel on you tube) has...only then can you know the full context & reality of what is really going on...rather than censored reports via NASA official mission, web postings.

This thread tries to have a go at this new ISS footage & you add nothing "new"..just the same old "crap" you like to dump on us..especially those "snot nosed kids"!!! (your words Jimmy boy)

What this ISS thread did for me was remind me that ISS live feeds are available to all on the web for free! Great viewing...but no low light B & W camera views (of course!) just color...!

reply to post by FlySolo


Listen man, I am not going to go into hair splitting arguments over these videos.
for one, it doesn't suit my purpose to argue over it frankly. I want to find cool alien vids, therefore for me, its important to try and toss out anything not overly remarkable that is a smoking gun. These two videos in the op is at best, mildly interesting..but falls infinately short of being a smoking gun.
second off..I simply don't know enough of the geometry at work here to properly explain the perspective issues going on...just know that they are not doing anything extraordinary..no right angle turns, no sudden stop and reverse, etc...looks like just some random objects floating along, and no possible way to measure length, distance, etc...so, meh.

There are some space videos out there that shows the stuff I do enjoy contemplating..plenty of sudden course changes type dots in the sky that is never properly explained, but this video...its not very interesting to me. Not something I would show someone to make them a believer anyhow.

reply to post by MoreThanTheSum

Was I somehow supposed to be clairvoyantly aware of your qualifications? Do I meticulously research every ATS member I strike up a conversation with?

To be honest, he is a well-known author.

He is well-versed in the secrecy of space programs, he wrote this book about it, 'Uncovering Soviet Disasters...'
Amazon

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by TheFlash
What about the objects moving around and forming a pattern in space on shuttle mission STS-80? What that space junk also?

If you are not familiar with the footage, here it is:

Narrated video recorded on shuttle mission STS-80.

Flash, thanks for bringing this case up.

How would a going-in naive interested party search out any real investigations of this case that suggested prosaic explanations?

How would they search out what the alleged direct eyewitnesses -- the STS-80 astronauts -- think about the UFO fleet interpretation?

Can search engines be our friend, and provide insight, or our foe, and provide only multi-retold rumor?

Searching references to STS-80 would be a good place to start.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Not arguing friend. Just pointing out perspective is not the cause. As for a smoking gun. Well, how much smoke do we need to agree where there's smoke, there's fire?

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
reply to post by JimOberg

 

WOW...what a rude & disgusting thing to say about ATS members! ....you like to "crap on the snot-nose kids"....& "kids learn to take it".

That is a pathetic comment. ATS members are known by their ATS ID.... & are of ALL ages & many are women.

Do not "crap on" members period.

I assume that you "crap on" both sexes the same, but is your "crap" softer with the ladies of ATS? How do you tell who is a "snot-nosed kid".. to crap on? "Kids learn to take it", sounds like a child abuser!

My goodness Jimmy, you should do less crapping on members & try debating..with a cool head...in the ATS spirit as continually told to us by the ATS board posts about being human..& not crapping on anyone.

You are a 'Mr. know it all', without any access to NASA UFO videos from NASA...only what they choose to show you..thus it is all what you think you know...

If you had all the various mission's downlinks, complete 100% coverage like Martyn Stubbs (secretnasaman channel on you tube) has...only then can you know the full context & reality of what is really going on...rather than censored reports via NASA official mission, web postings.

This thread tries to have a go at this new ISS footage & you add nothing "new"..just the same old "crap" you like to dump on us..especially those "snot nosed kids"!!! (your words Jimmy boy)

What this ISS thread did for me was remind me that ISS live feeds are available to all on the web for free! Great viewing...but no low light B & W camera views (of course!) just color...!

Lighten up.

Go find us the date/time of the videos, while you're so energized.

i really wish they would land and say look f'ers you are destroying the earth heres free energy use it n stop destroying this place or we will be back to eat you

Debris is posing more and more of a problem for the ISS and other satellites in near earth orbit. They take it rather serious if an object is expected to come anywhere near the space station. I don't know how close these came...

en.rian.ru...

NASA said earlier the debris was predicted to pass 14.8 kilometers below the space station.

...but it raises my hackles when they carefully track potential hazards and require astronauts to "shelter" if even the littlest bit of debris comes anywhere close.

This is going to interesting

There have been only two videos to me, of great interest. I think all these others are simply debris or ice particles.

If they did something other than fly in very straight lines at constant speeds, maybe you'd have something. Like.. the dots that formed a circle, with a last one lighting up the middle. Now -that- was interesting to me.. as I don't see how ice crystals or debris can all come to a stop to form that circle.

Originally posted by snalesnot
i really wish they would land and say look f'ers you are destroying the earth heres free energy use it n stop destroying this place or we will be back to eat you

I wish they would too but sadly, they won't. That's because (imo) those biological androids are not our friends and are only here to complete their science project. Preparing for the extinction of the human race only to populate the planet with the new and improved "us". Much like they did the last time we were wiped out.

Originally posted by intrptr
Debris is posing more and more of a problem for the ISS and other satellites in near earth orbit. They take it rather serious if an object is expected to come anywhere near the space station. I don't know how close these came...

en.rian.ru...

NASA said earlier the debris was predicted to pass 14.8 kilometers below the space station.

...but it raises my hackles when they carefully track potential hazards and require astronauts to "shelter" if even the littlest bit of debris comes anywhere close.

It's a genuine safety issue, but as far as I've ever been able to determine, NONE of these objects was ever visually observed, by eyeball or camera, during passage. The crossing speed is just too high.

Flash, there is a detailed investigative report, by me about a dozen years ago, on the Internet -- does the search engine even locate it? Also, both Musgrave and Jones, two crewmen on the flight, have expressed total agreement with the prosaic nearby-sunlit-dandruff explanation -- does a google search identify those expert on-site eyewitness opinions? Or is all the reality stuff swamped in an avalanche of rumor and myth? How can we search smarter?

Originally posted by TheFlash

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by TheFlash
What about the objects moving around and forming a pattern in space on shuttle mission STS-80? What that space junk also?

If you are not familiar with the footage, here it is:

Narrated video recorded on shuttle mission STS-80.

Flash, thanks for bringing this case up.

How would a going-in naive interested party search out any real investigations of this case that suggested prosaic explanations?

How would they search out what the alleged direct eyewitnesses -- the STS-80 astronauts -- think about the UFO fleet interpretation?

Can search engines be our friend, and provide insight, or our foe, and provide only multi-retold rumor?

Searching references to STS-80 would be a good place to start.

reply to post by jjkenobi


That's my thought. I mean I'm open to it NOT being debris, but I don't see anything to suggest it isn't, i.e. direction change.

Originally posted by sirric
reply to post by Arken

 

Every-time I see these videos and then read the responses, I think back to the story of how the Native Americans could not comprehend the ships of Christopher Columbus. Not to say this story is true, just what it may illustrate.

We are unable to comprehend what Alien form of transport or technology may look like and therefore we make up, based on our knowledge, what we think we are looking at.

Sirric

This is where all the hoaxes hurt us. I'm so jaded that a spaceship could land in my backyard with three-headed, slimy aliens waving to me and I'll think, "Oh is it Halloween already?"

How hard would it be for someone to put those flying dots in those clips? One of them looked like a flickering mouse pointer.