Originally posted by nitro67
reply to post by Afterthought
The temp has been normal. It is just the odd "filtered" effect of the sun from these trails that turn into clouds that bothers me.
Originally posted by Acedrew89
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
Good thread, OP. Something is screwy in the skies and anybody who has a memory that functions properly can remember skies that didn't get criss-crossed with a bunch of freaky trails that create a milky cloud cover.
Yes, contrails are a known phenomenon, so what better way to spread things in the sky than by jet? The fact that these contrails behave differently than before tells me that there is something in them which wasn't there previously, causing them to last longer and to linger.
CONdensation TRAILS are just that: Condensation which eventually evaporates, sometimes quickly, sometimes a little slower, but there are trails which just aren't normal. All the trolls, government apologists, and people who say, "It's always been that way" do not sway me one bit.
Military Chaff is a known, admitted spray done by military jets. The chaff does not act like condensed water particles, it hangs in the air, looks weird, and we all know that it isn't normal!!
They're using a hell of a lot of it, too.
In July of 2006, the Idaho Observer published a story about a family in Iowa which had approached Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their neighborhood. They received back from the senator's office a Unitied States General Accounting Office (GAO) Report on "military chaff" and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread seven days a week for several hours each day in the skies above their home. The report suggested "chemtrails" may really be a huge use of military "chaff."
The Observer reported: "Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed. "
"The 1998 GAO noted that:
(1) chaff is used worldwide in conjunction with military training, testing, and other assigned missions;
(2) in fiscal year (FY) 1997, the Air Force reported using about 1.8 million bundles worldwide, Navy and Marine Corps aircraft used more than 354,000 bundles and 593 rolls, and Navy combat ships used about 10,000 large bundles;
(3) DOD records indicate that FY 1998 inventories include more than 37 million bundles and more than 141,000 rolls of chaff;
(4) the Air Force holds about 77 percent of the bundles, while the Navy and Marine Corps hold all the rolls;
(5) the Army has some mission needs but possesses and uses little chaff in peacetime training or testing;
(6) while DOD components report that chaff is an effective means of defense for aircraft, ships, and related weapons systems, DOD and other agencies have identified some unintended and potential side effects of chaff;
(7) chaff can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar;
(8) chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the ground;
(9) the services have a number of ongoing initiatives to address concerns about the unintended and potential effects of chaff;
(10) for example, DOD has entered into or is negotiating agreements with other federal agencies to address issues related to commercial air safety, weather forecasting, and environmental impacts on public lands;
(11) also, the Navy has started a program to develop degradable chaff that is estimated to cost about 40 percent more than the current chaff;
(12) while intended as beneficial, the Navy has not yet defined the operational and environmental benefits that could result from this program;
(13) notwithstanding DOD's actions, some concerns continue to be raised by the public and federal agencies about the potentially harmful or undesirable effects of chaff on the environment;
(14) also, some of DOD's studies cite additional areas where questions have been raised about the unintended effects of chaff;
(15) DOD has not systematically followed up on these questions or on the recommendations of these reports to determine whether they merit additional review; and
(16) DOD continues to retain lead-based chaff in its inventory even though this type of chaff has not been manufactured since 1987 and is reportedly no longer in use. (The full GAO Report: www.fas.org...)
Note in the article that the military claims it only sprays sparingly and in small areas, yet the video I posted shows wide areas affected. They ADMIT they spray this crap, and yet people still come out and say it's nothing but ice crystals in the sky.
Wake up and smell the chaff, folks. They know it's probably a health danger but THEY DON'T CARE.
Normal? I don't think so.
Having stated my previous post, I still think this is good work
Real jet "exhaust" disappears in just a very few minutes while the chemtrails being sprayed can last for hours!
If you are attentive to contrail formation and duration, you will notice that they can rapidly dissipate or spread horizontally into an extensive thin cirrus layer. How long a contrail remains intact, depends on the humidity structure and winds of the upper troposphere. If the atmosphere is near saturation, the contrail may exist for sometime. On the other hand, if the atmosphere is dry then as the contrail mixes with the environment it dissipates. Contrails are a concern in climate studies as increased jet aircraft traffic may result in an increase in cloud cover. It has been estimated that in certain heavy air-traffic corridors, cloud cover has increased by as much as 20%.
Depending on the temperature and humidity at the altitude the contrail forms, they may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for hours and spread to be several miles wide.
and the fact that it's only from YOUR perspective that this APPEARS to be happening and that someone standing on the other side of town wouldn't have that same perspecitve
They do this quite regularly here in Atlanta too and have been for some years now. Focusing efforts to cloud the sky starting in the direction of the sun in the morning.
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Chadwickus
Because I've seen it for days on end, year after year, and it truly almost drives me mad to not be able to explain it properly. And the sun is "blocked" for as far and wide and as I can drive in a few hours (I've never gone further). They start on the horizon and work across and upwards and it spreads to make a sunny day hazy and darker is as close as I can come to putting it into words.
They wear doing this where I live just about every day in summer. Last summer we had 100 degree + weather for 100+ days. So they cant be contrails because they stayed up all day in 100+ degree weather.