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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by nitro67
Believe it or not, there are quite a few out there that actually believe that there is a deliberate program to block or partially obscure the sun from view.
Originally posted by disfugured
reply to post by tsurfer2000h
The difference between the photos you just shared and what we see today is; Its not WWII. We are not seeing hundreds of ammunition rounds firing at dozens of war planes fighting in the skies above us which would explain the contrails back then. Fast-forward to the present; We see 2 or three heavy spraying planes flying by changing the skies above. In the matter of 5 minutes specifically on most clear days.. two large spraying planes cross flight paths spreading these massive 'contrails' that creates a haze. In the same 5 minutes I seen planes of similar size fly by with its contrails dissipating in seconds.
The fact is; and I'm only in my early 30's, that the bright sunny days of even 5 years ago are no longer. Where I live anyhow. They are ruined by these contrails. Even if you're right, and they're just contrails with nothing sinister intended, something in the fuel must have changed then that causes them to spread and create clouds and haze that last hours. Most people are recognizing this phenomenon. This contrail issue needs to be addressed because the truth is, its having a major effect on weather, and its very noticeable.edit on 23-4-2012 by disfugured because: Grammer
The difference between the photos you just shared and what we see today is; Its not WWII. We are not seeing hundreds of ammunition rounds firing at dozens of war planes fighting in the skies above us which would explain the contrails back then.
That is not right.
Originally posted by Gerizo
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by nitro67
Believe it or not, there are quite a few out there that actually believe that there is a deliberate program to block or partially obscure the sun from view.
Believe it or not, there are quite a few out there that actually jump on any thread that mention "planes that appear to be spraying" to tell you not to believe your own eyes. Your eyes don't deceive you but certain people on this site will tell you so. So the question is who do you believe, your own eyes, or the fool typing on the internet telling you its normal?
OP from my perspective, whatever is being done to the sky gives the same kind of effect if you were swimming underwater and looking up towards the sun.
When you have secret formula in fuels, (additives) for a variety of reasons, it is impossible to determine what chemical processes are going on both inside an engine, at the exhaust, and when mixing with the air, plus the degredation of engines and engine parts, all of which contain heavy metals, and any possible chemical changes that might occur there.
In July of 2006, the Idaho Observer published a story about a family in Iowa which had approached Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their neighborhood. They received back from the senator's office a Unitied States General Accounting Office (GAO) Report on "military chaff" and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread seven days a week for several hours each day in the skies above their home. The report suggested "chemtrails" may really be a huge use of military "chaff."
The Observer reported: "Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed. "
"The 1998 GAO noted that:
(1) chaff is used worldwide in conjunction with military training, testing, and other assigned missions;
(2) in fiscal year (FY) 1997, the Air Force reported using about 1.8 million bundles worldwide, Navy and Marine Corps aircraft used more than 354,000 bundles and 593 rolls, and Navy combat ships used about 10,000 large bundles;
(3) DOD records indicate that FY 1998 inventories include more than 37 million bundles and more than 141,000 rolls of chaff;
(4) the Air Force holds about 77 percent of the bundles, while the Navy and Marine Corps hold all the rolls;
(5) the Army has some mission needs but possesses and uses little chaff in peacetime training or testing;
(6) while DOD components report that chaff is an effective means of defense for aircraft, ships, and related weapons systems, DOD and other agencies have identified some unintended and potential side effects of chaff;
(7) chaff can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar;
(8) chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the ground;
(9) the services have a number of ongoing initiatives to address concerns about the unintended and potential effects of chaff;
(10) for example, DOD has entered into or is negotiating agreements with other federal agencies to address issues related to commercial air safety, weather forecasting, and environmental impacts on public lands;
(11) also, the Navy has started a program to develop degradable chaff that is estimated to cost about 40 percent more than the current chaff;
(12) while intended as beneficial, the Navy has not yet defined the operational and environmental benefits that could result from this program;
(13) notwithstanding DOD's actions, some concerns continue to be raised by the public and federal agencies about the potentially harmful or undesirable effects of chaff on the environment;
(14) also, some of DOD's studies cite additional areas where questions have been raised about the unintended effects of chaff;
(15) DOD has not systematically followed up on these questions or on the recommendations of these reports to determine whether they merit additional review; and
(16) DOD continues to retain lead-based chaff in its inventory even though this type of chaff has not been manufactured since 1987 and is reportedly no longer in use. (The full GAO Report: www.fas.org...)
Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by smurfy
When you have secret formula in fuels, (additives) for a variety of reasons, it is impossible to determine what chemical processes are going on both inside an engine, at the exhaust, and when mixing with the air, plus the degredation of engines and engine parts, all of which contain heavy metals, and any possible chemical changes that might occur there.
Just out of curiosity what secret formula do you think they are putting in jet fuel, because I am sure you know it is strictly regulated. You just can't slip some super secret additive in there and it not be noticed.
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
Good thread, OP. Something is screwy in the skies and anybody who has a memory that functions properly can remember skies that didn't get criss-crossed with a bunch of freaky trails that create a milky cloud cover.
Yes, contrails are a known phenomenon, so what better way to spread things in the sky than by jet? The fact that these contrails behave differently than before tells me that there is something in them which wasn't there previously, causing them to last longer and to linger.
CONdensation TRAILS are just that: Condensation which eventually evaporates, sometimes quickly, sometimes a little slower, but there are trails which just aren't normal. All the trolls, government apologists, and people who say, "It's always been that way" do not sway me one bit.
Military Chaff is a known, admitted spray done by military jets. The chaff does not act like condensed water particles, it hangs in the air, looks weird, and we all know that it isn't normal!!
They're using a hell of a lot of it, too.
From: www.themonsterguide.com...
In July of 2006, the Idaho Observer published a story about a family in Iowa which had approached Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their neighborhood. They received back from the senator's office a Unitied States General Accounting Office (GAO) Report on "military chaff" and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread seven days a week for several hours each day in the skies above their home. The report suggested "chemtrails" may really be a huge use of military "chaff."
The Observer reported: "Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed. "
"The 1998 GAO noted that:
(1) chaff is used worldwide in conjunction with military training, testing, and other assigned missions;
(2) in fiscal year (FY) 1997, the Air Force reported using about 1.8 million bundles worldwide, Navy and Marine Corps aircraft used more than 354,000 bundles and 593 rolls, and Navy combat ships used about 10,000 large bundles;
(3) DOD records indicate that FY 1998 inventories include more than 37 million bundles and more than 141,000 rolls of chaff;
(4) the Air Force holds about 77 percent of the bundles, while the Navy and Marine Corps hold all the rolls;
(5) the Army has some mission needs but possesses and uses little chaff in peacetime training or testing;
(6) while DOD components report that chaff is an effective means of defense for aircraft, ships, and related weapons systems, DOD and other agencies have identified some unintended and potential side effects of chaff;
(7) chaff can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar;
(8) chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the ground;
(9) the services have a number of ongoing initiatives to address concerns about the unintended and potential effects of chaff;
(10) for example, DOD has entered into or is negotiating agreements with other federal agencies to address issues related to commercial air safety, weather forecasting, and environmental impacts on public lands;
(11) also, the Navy has started a program to develop degradable chaff that is estimated to cost about 40 percent more than the current chaff;
(12) while intended as beneficial, the Navy has not yet defined the operational and environmental benefits that could result from this program;
(13) notwithstanding DOD's actions, some concerns continue to be raised by the public and federal agencies about the potentially harmful or undesirable effects of chaff on the environment;
(14) also, some of DOD's studies cite additional areas where questions have been raised about the unintended effects of chaff;
(15) DOD has not systematically followed up on these questions or on the recommendations of these reports to determine whether they merit additional review; and
(16) DOD continues to retain lead-based chaff in its inventory even though this type of chaff has not been manufactured since 1987 and is reportedly no longer in use. (The full GAO Report: www.fas.org...)
Note in the article that the military claims it only sprays sparingly and in small areas, yet the video I posted shows wide areas affected. They ADMIT they spray this crap, and yet people still come out and say it's nothing but ice crystals in the sky.
Wake up and smell the chaff, folks. They know it's probably a health danger but THEY DON'T CARE.
Normal? I don't think so.
Regardless, some members of this family are very sick. On May 23, after a hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a pinkish- colored powder substance on the roof of their house. They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car.
Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis. Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:
* 6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia
* 9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride
* 26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc
* 4 molds and fungi
* 7 viruses
* 2 cancers
* 2 vaccines
* 2 sedatives
Over the last several months, The Iowa Observer has received a significant increase in chemtrail-related calls and letters. Most report a dramatic increase in chemtrail “spraying” activity in their areas; some are reporting the development of chronic flu-like symptoms, chronic fatigue and body aches that they have never before experienced.
Originally posted by Acedrew89
Not to be a devil's advocate, but why does every conspiracy have to be bad? I'm not saying it's not bad to have potentially harmful chemicals blanketing you (if, in fact this is what is happening). What I'm saying is that, while it does seem to be more and more true that the government is trying to swindle the citizens, could it not be true that there are people in the military still doing some good?
What if, instead of automatically thinking this is a bad thing to have these chem. trails, try and think of it from all perspectives? It could actually be a good thing if global warming is further along than we are lead to believe. These trails really could be doing good things for the atmosphere. They really could be attempting to protect you from harmful radiation, or even solar flares.
I'm sure I'll be called ignorant for thinking this way, but quite honestly, if you're going to only look at it from one direction then I would consider it a close-minded perspective.
Originally posted by tracehd1
S&F
I live in great falls mt and last year I caught them spraying like a MF'ER .....I never cuss...but...they were....lol
Anyways... I filmed the whole thing and posted it on ATS...
I got a lot of...
Chemtrails....... You crazy....lol
Anyways... They were going balls to the wall what I filmed. There was as much as 3 planes in the same sky at the same time making X-patterns and grids.
I often wondered if they were putting X's up for satellites? X marks the spot????
If u want to see how bad it was you can find my chemtrails thread under me profile.... Errr right?
Anyways.... Ty for sharing. I wish we could organize a map of these events to possibly collect data and connect dots