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The Immigration conspiracy. Something IS happening!

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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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lol reported me for trolling? I wasn't even trolling. I could have easily reported you many times for spouting Jewish conspiracy theories. This forum does have a strict policy against racism, after all.

Nothing will happen to me. I was engaging in a genuine debate without resorting to insults. I did not break any rules. Your argument is still invalid, and will remain that way for some time I imagine.

Take note fellow posters. When this individual loses an argument they resort to reporting somebody for something they didn't even do. It's like being in kindergarten again.

By the way, if these "Jewish conspiracy" theories are valid and actually hold water like you claim they do, then how come I have never seen threads about them on ATS? Probably because they are at the very bottom of the barrel of conspiracy theories. Even lower than David Icke's rubbish.
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
Im an Aussie but have lived overseas for 5 of the past 6 years.
I am in no way/shape or form a racist, I have many friends of all ethnicities and I firmly believe people are people where ever you go, some are good some are bad.

But I am STRONGLY against Australias refugee policy.
I once believed in a totally open door policy (when I was 16) but had an encounter at a train station with an African man one day.

based on that encounter and a few other facts Ive learnt I am now against Australias immigration policies and I think a few things need to change

First off boat people, they are not genuine refugees, they are economic migrants and should be automatically sent back to where they came from as criminals. In my opinion it just shows a complete lack of respect and even contempt for our laws. If these people were genuinely worried about just getting out of where they came from they would stop in Indonesia or Malaysia which are cheaper countries to live in, have much laxer immigration laws and are safe.

As for genuine refugees who are fleeing certain death I do believe we should let some in but not without conditions, firstly they should be required to support themselves, if they have no skills there are more than enough farm labourers jobs available. Some people might say "but why should they be forced to work on farms?" no ones forcing them and Im sure if we asked at the refugee camps for volunteers to come to Oz and get paid to work on a farm we would have no shortage of takers. basically other than enough to get them set up the gov or should I say taxpayer should not be required to support them.

Secondly if they or their children commit a serious crime they should also be sent back, if they cant respect our laws and cant instill in their children our way of life then do we really want them there?



You're absolutely 'spot on' with what you said here IKS.

Unfortunately you're always going to get those 'bleeding hearts' who just can't get their heads far enough out of their holier-than-thou 'proverbials' to listen to any legitimate concerns, observations or viewpoints from those people who actually have to live with these types of growing social problems on a daily basis and experience them firsthand... rather than from for afar, safe and comfortably detached from behind their gated 'Stepford' community walls. Nobody can dare mention any developing trends or situations involving a particular immigrant ethnic group, without being immediately labeled 'Racist!!'... when in reality 'Realist' is by far the more appropriate tag.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to spot an obvious trend or up-tick in certain activity being undertaken by any particular group, if the incidents in question were either a rarity or totally nonexistent before their arrival in any particular area. Why is highlighting such an obvious increase in unsavory or anti-social behavior, when there's no question or debate whatsoever as to which group is responsible for these acts, have to be the rantings and ravings of card-carrying KKK'er and racist??

If it's happening in my neighborhood, if it's plainly obvious as to who's responsible, if it's placing me, my wife or my two young daughters at risk or in potential danger then 'Shove it up your s**tter bleeding heart... this group right here is the problem. Period!'. I don't give a tinkers toss-pot whether white, black, brown, yellow or otherwise, it makes absolutely no difference to me at all what colour their skin is.

I wonder if the few members here who've been so quick with their shock, their outrage, their taken offense, if they would've been so appalled at your lack of tolerance towards a particular ethnic group and culture, had the increasing rate of incidence the OP has clearly been experiencing recently been the work of a skinhead gang or bunch of white supremacists? These mindless pricks are just as much trouble when they move in next door and equally as problematic when they decide to set up shop in any given area en-masse



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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I must admit that I did not read every single post in this thread but one thing is apparent: if some Australians (or UK people) feel slighted that these Sudanese/Africans are in their neck of the woods and benefiting from spoils that they (locals) can only dream of owning, then these same locals need to stop complaining and take it up with their government.

I don't know but maybe the Australian government, or any other Western government for that matter, is profiting substantially by allowing a certain percentage of Sudanese to live and subsist quite well in Australia by means not clearly disclosed to their locals.

It's easy to blame the Sudanese for all sorts of supposedly new issues but if you want to find out where the money is coming from, I believe a top down investigation needs to start with your government. This issue appears much bigger than just dealing with foreigners who have lots of cash and don't work.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by salamanda

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
Im an Aussie but have lived overseas for 5 of the past 6 years.
I am in no way/shape or form a racist, I have many friends of all ethnicities and I firmly believe people are people where ever you go, some are good some are bad.

But I am STRONGLY against Australias refugee policy.
I once believed in a totally open door policy (when I was 16) but had an encounter at a train station with an African man one day.

based on that encounter and a few other facts Ive learnt I am now against Australias immigration policies and I think a few things need to change

First off boat people, they are not genuine refugees, they are economic migrants and should be automatically sent back to where they came from as criminals. In my opinion it just shows a complete lack of respect and even contempt for our laws. If these people were genuinely worried about just getting out of where they came from they would stop in Indonesia or Malaysia which are cheaper countries to live in, have much laxer immigration laws and are safe.

As for genuine refugees who are fleeing certain death I do believe we should let some in but not without conditions, firstly they should be required to support themselves, if they have no skills there are more than enough farm labourers jobs available. Some people might say "but why should they be forced to work on farms?" no ones forcing them and Im sure if we asked at the refugee camps for volunteers to come to Oz and get paid to work on a farm we would have no shortage of takers. basically other than enough to get them set up the gov or should I say taxpayer should not be required to support them.

Secondly if they or their children commit a serious crime they should also be sent back, if they cant respect our laws and cant instill in their children our way of life then do we really want them there?



You're absolutely 'spot on' with what you said here IKS.

Unfortunately you're always going to get those 'bleeding hearts' who just can't get their heads far enough out of their holier-than-thou 'proverbials' to listen to any legitimate concerns, observations or viewpoints from those people who actually have to live with these types of growing social problems on a daily basis and experience them firsthand... rather than from for afar, safe and comfortably detached from behind their gated 'Stepford' community walls. Nobody can dare mention any developing trends or situations involving a particular immigrant ethnic group, without being immediately labeled 'Racist!!'... when in reality 'Realist' is by far the more appropriate tag.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to spot an obvious trend or up-tick in certain activity being undertaken by any particular group, if the incidents in question were either a rarity or totally nonexistent before their arrival in any particular area. Why is highlighting such an obvious increase in unsavory or anti-social behavior, when there's no question or debate whatsoever as to which group is responsible for these acts, have to be the rantings and ravings of card-carrying KKK'er and racist??

If it's happening in my neighborhood, if it's plainly obvious as to who's responsible, if it's placing me, my wife or my two young daughters at risk or in potential danger then 'Shove it up your s**tter bleeding heart... this group right here is the problem. Period!'. I don't give a tinkers toss-pot whether white, black, brown, yellow or otherwise, it makes absolutely no difference to me at all what colour their skin is.

I wonder if the few members here who've been so quick with their shock, their outrage, their taken offense, if they would've been so appalled at your lack of tolerance towards a particular ethnic group and culture, had the increasing rate of incidence the OP has clearly been experiencing recently been the work of a skinhead gang or bunch of white supremacists? These mindless pricks are just as much trouble when they move in next door and equally as problematic when they decide to set up shop in any given area en-masse


The racism of Aussie members continuous to be astounding, its as if they all think with one mind and are in complete agreement with each other, like an army of racist, bigoted clones..

A thread regarding America and immigration would certainly not be as one-sided




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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by Xaphan
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lol reported me for trolling? I wasn't even trolling. I could have easily reported you many times for spouting Jewish conspiracy theories. This forum does have a strict policy against racism, after all.

Nothing will happen to me. I was engaging in a genuine debate without resorting to insults. I did not break any rules. Your argument is still invalid, and will remain that way for some time I imagine.

Take note fellow posters. When this individual loses an argument they resort to reporting somebody for something they didn't even do. It's like being in kindergarten again.

By the way, if these "Jewish conspiracy" theories are valid and actually hold water like you claim they do, then how come I have never seen threads about them on ATS? Probably because they are at the very bottom of the barrel of conspiracy theories. Even lower than David Icke's rubbish.
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You come of as complete lunatic.
The reason the jewish conspiracy posts get take down is because ATS is a controlled site, do you even know what the controlled opposition means?
The owners are laughing, we all know who runs America, but shhh its best if the little one went to sleep now, the truth is the booogy man to you.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by QQXXw
The racism of Aussie members continuous to be astounding, its as if they all think with one mind and are in complete agreement with each other, like an army of racist, bigoted clones..

A thread regarding America and immigration would certainly not be as one-sided


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If you think it's astounding online, try living with these morons like i do here in melbourne, vic. It's much more annoying to be around them in real life, they really are idiots. These guys online are "tame" compared to meeting the average australian in real life. Can't wait to move out of here.
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by ShiningBeneath

Originally posted by QQXXw

Originally posted by aLLeKs
change the sudanese people with turkish --> welcome to germany


considering their history the German people should not be allowed to have an opinion on anything regarding the world community, let alone immigration. How many countries have accepted German Immigrants despite the terror and suffering the Germans have inflicted upon the world?

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Careful what you think here my friend. This kind of attitude can just as easily be held replacing German people with U.S. people. Just because some thugs take power and spread corruption and violence, does not make the people of that nation as a whole 'evil'. Keep in mind, MANY Germans during the era of the Nazi party were under the same terror as the rest of the world. In its prime, the Nazi party only received something like 18% or the vote - that's a lot of Germans against their policies.
Take care not to become that which you disagree with is all I'm saying

Peace.


Don't worry friend, I welcome the German person the same as I would any Chinese or Sudanese



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:26 AM
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I bet you aren't even Australian the way you talk like that.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by daaskapital
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I bet you aren't even Australian the way you talk like that.


I've said i wasnt australian many times in this thread alone, i live here because my mother recieved a position as a nurse here 12 years ago, i never wanted to come here, i hate this country and i hate the australian people.
I plan on moving once i finish my degree in uni, which is 3 years away seeing as im only 19, turning 20.

FYI, the way i "talk".....more like type, comes of as an ESL because i touch type, and my laptop keyboard is broken, i hit a character but it doesnt register so it seems like im an ESL speaker.
Im an 8th generation south african if you must know, but im not telling you my ethnicity.
The only language i know and can speak is english, and i dont plan on learning any other language
Its funny you critisize my spelling english and grammar, you clearly haven't met any australians, have you there "mate", get of your high horse.
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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Get used to it i guess..... we in England have had to get used to the same thing.... i'm not sure why it is happening, all i can think of is that there is possible res in those Countries so deals are being made..... although we have tons from the ME and Asia here... Africans have only just started moving in compared to the Asians and those from the ME!!

BTW i'm not White... i'm English!!



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
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Care to look at my "research" and share your thoughts (or apologies)?


You have a go at members because of their links and sources (including me) about being old, yet yours is from 2009.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by fxtrademark

Originally posted by daaskapital
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I bet you aren't even Australian the way you talk like that.


I've said i wasnt australian many times in this thread alone, i live here because my mother recieved a position as a nurse here 12 years ago, i never wanted to come here, i hate this country and i hate the australian people.
I plan on moving once i finish my degree in uni, which is 3 years away seeing as im only 19, turning 20.

FYI, the way i "talk".....more like type, comes of as an ESL because i touch type, and my laptop keyboard is broken, i hit a character but it doesnt register so it seems like im an ESL speaker.
Im an 8th generation south african if you must know, but im not telling you my ethnicity.
The only language i know and can speak is english, and i dont plan on learning any other language
Its funny you critisize my spelling english and grammar, you clearly haven't met any australians, have you there "mate", get of your high horse.
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Tell me more why you dislike the Australian people, is it the close-minded conservatism?



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by fxtrademark

Originally posted by daaskapital
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I bet you aren't even Australian the way you talk like that.



I've said i wasnt australian many times in this thread alone, i live here because my mother recieved a position as a nurse here 12 years ago, i never wanted to come here, i hate this country and i hate the australian people.
I plan on moving once i finish my degree in uni, which is 3 years away seeing as im only 19, turning 20.


Let me get this straight, you hate Australia and us as ctizens, yet you are using our education system to your advantage so you can move out of the country and make a living. If you hate us so much, you can go back to South Africa and stop screwing our system.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by QQXXw
Tell me more why you dislike the Australian people, is it the close-minded conservatism?


Bingo

Btw QQxxw sorry for going of at you earlier!
One thing i've learned in australia, is not trying to start a pity party, and this whole kumbya thing were everyone cares about each other, i try to distance my self from it now.

Anyways yes, australians are close minded conservatives if you're looking at it from a us perspective, or BNP voters if you're from the uk.
They're highly hypocritical, do as i say, not as i do kind of people.

Their outlook is that they and only they can be right, EVEN when they're wrong, it's annoying as hell.
Anti-social, high cost of living, isolated, this country is all hype, and the only people who would enjoy living here are complete air head.

They're controlling, man i could go on and on, on why i hate this place lol there's a lot reasons.
Pretentious people, yuppies, even the people from the city are yuppies, i grew up in the city in south africa, but in aus, the city is not really a city, it's just bleak.

But i have learned a lot, not from school, but from events that led to other events, i wouldn't be in Uni right now studying to be a Biochemist if i liked australia, since for once i want to leave this country, so i need a degree with high value and prestige, as well as high a paying income that the Bsc in Biochemistry will give me, plus i've learned a ton about the human body etc etc, which helps fight TPTB i guess you could say, i could go on and on

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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by fxtrademark

Originally posted by QQXXw
Tell me more why you dislike the Australian people, is it the close-minded conservatism?


Bingo

Btw QQxxw sorry for going of at you earlier!
One thing i've learned in australia, is not trying to start a pity party, and this whole kumbya thing were everyone cares about each other, i try to distance my self from it now.

Anyways yes, australians are close minded conservatives if you're looking at it from a us perspective, or BNP voters if you're from the uk.
They're highly hypocritical, do as i say, not as i do kind of people.

Their outlook is that they and only they can be right, EVEN when they're wrong, it's annoying as hell.
Anti-social, high cost of living, isolated, this country is all hype, and the only people who would enjoy living here are complete air heads.


I stated in my op that i did not want this thread to degenerate into a war of the races, and here you are, an Australian citizen criticising Australia and it's people. This thread is not about Australian citizens, it is about the government and it's cover up of Sudanese immigration and their subsequent success in recieving houses and other luxuries.

Also, i just love how you generalise us all as air heads and hypocritical. Get a life.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by daaskapital
I stated in my op that i did not want this thread to degenerate into a war of the races, and here you are, an Australian citizen criticising Australia and it's people. This thread is not about Australian citizens, it is about the government and it's cover up of Sudanese immigration and their subsequent success in recieving houses and other luxuries.

Also, i just love how you generalise us all as air heads and hypocritical. Get a life.


I forgot, only you can be right correct?
I take it back, australians are the most caring stand up, greatest people on earth, better for you?


Im an australia citizen yes, why cant i critisize australia and its people if i am?
Do you want it to be a pro-australia party?
No other perspectives on life here other than the pro-australia, anti-immigration crowd?
It works both ways, get a life, and get a brain.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by daaskapital
Let me get this straight, you hate Australia and us as ctizens, yet you are using our education system to your advantage so you can move out of the country and make a living. If you hate us so much, you can go back to South Africa and stop screwing our system.


Yes, thats correct.
Im using the australian education because it's slightly over 4k a year to study at swinburne, and australia being a socialized system, uni is mostly 3 years, so i'll only end up spending a little over 12-13k on my studies, and then proceed to go overseas an earn a decent salary that will allow me to live a good life, without being highly in debt.
Nope im not going back to south africa, another english speaking country is where ill be going.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by fxtrademark

Originally posted by daaskapital
I stated in my op that i did not want this thread to degenerate into a war of the races, and here you are, an Australian citizen criticising Australia and it's people. This thread is not about Australian citizens, it is about the government and it's cover up of Sudanese immigration and their subsequent success in recieving houses and other luxuries.

Also, i just love how you generalise us all as air heads and hypocritical. Get a life.


I forgot, only you can be right correct?
I take it back, australians are the most caring stand up, greatest people on earth, better for you?


Im an australia citizen yes, why cant i critisize australia and its people if i am?
Do you want it to be a pro-australia party?
No other perspectives on life here other than the pro-australia, anti-immigration crowd?
It works both ways, get a life, and get a brain.


I never said only i can be correct - that is an assumption which you have come to create based on your personal opinions of the few Australians you have met.

You are an Australian citizen, yet you do not feel like one. You prefer South Africa as your home country. Shouldn't you also consider Australia your home country, considering you have been here for over a decade?

I see there is no changing your views, but all i ask is for some decency. Afterall, you are using our education to your advantage. At least show some love and support to your second home country.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by InfoKartel
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Care to look at my "research" and share your thoughts (or apologies)?


You have a go at members because of their links and sources (including me) about being old, yet yours is from 2009.



Thanks again for highlighting your ignorance some more. Have you EVER taken a look at statistics about demographics? No? Well, it sure shows. Seriously, why the hell did you even create this thread?



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by fxtrademark

Originally posted by daaskapital
Let me get this straight, you hate Australia and us as ctizens, yet you are using our education system to your advantage so you can move out of the country and make a living. If you hate us so much, you can go back to South Africa and stop screwing our system.


Yes, thats correct.
Im using the australian education because it's slightly over 4k a year to study at swinburne, and australia being a socialized system, uni is mostly 3 years, so i'll only end up spending a little over 12-13k on my studies, and then proceed to go overseas an earn a decent salary that will allow me to live a good life, without being highly in debt.
Nope im not going back to south africa, another english speaking country is where ill be going.


Well, look, it is good that you are pursuing a future career, but i dislike it how you are so (i hate to say this) Anti-Australian. (Holy crap i said it, when i despise it ).



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