China military warns of confrontation over seas

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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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China military warns of confrontation over seas


www.chicagotribune.com

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's military warned the United States on Saturday that U.S.-Philippine military exercises have raised risks of armed confrontation over the disputed South China Sea in the toughest high-level warning yet after weeks of tensions.

This week American and Filipino troops launched a fortnight of annual naval drills amid the stand-off between Beijing andManila,

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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Well Well Nice Going there Peace Winner Obama! Your leading into a confrontation with China and over what? Regional disputes.

Do i think Romney would do any better or prevent a war? Heck no Romney would start a World war with China.

As in the news articles the Chinese army has warned America about the confrontation and not to get involved.

www.chicagotribune.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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Another annual drill that is not anything new.

China is just getting a stiffie over their "carrier killer" missiles and wants to sit at the poker table.

They should really learn to be quiet before we officially recognize Taiwan as being the independent nation we treat them as.

THAT is how you troll the PRC. Not with military exercises that occur the same week of every year like clockwork. Sheesh.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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They should really learn to be quiet before we officially recognize Taiwan as being the independent nation we treat them as.


Well Then China should officially recognize Texas as an independent state and Show America everyone should be treated equally once you started stealing there territory, well its only fair.

Don't you agree?
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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They should really learn to be quiet before we officially recognize Taiwan as being the independent nation we treat them as.


Well Then China should officially recognize Texas as an independent state and Show America everyone should be treated equally once you started stealing there territory, well its only fair.

Don't you agree?


I know I agree. If Texas secedes from the United States just as Taiwan has chosen to separate from China.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 03:14 AM
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Well Then China should officially recognize Texas as an independent state and Show America


Not really the same thing.

You missed my point.

However - Texas wouldn't want anything to do with China, even if it were an entirely independent nation. Taiwan, on the other hand, is very involved with the U.S. in a number of economic and political ways.


everyone should be treated equally once you started stealing there territory, well its only fair.


The Philippines have been U.S. Territory since pre-World War II. Hell, WESPAC is basically run by Filipinos... good luck making rank if you're not on good terms with their little mafia they have going on, there.

China lost most of its territorial claims during World War II - when Japan came along and started taking over.... then Russia came along.

Before that, China and Japan had been tit-for-tat when it came to territories and wars. Korea has some animosity toward the Chinese and Japanese because their peninsula has been the center for a lot of the wars and territorial conflicts Japan and China have had over the past... forever.

What this amounts to is China has recently started finding its sea legs and is laying down the foundation for a blue water Navy. They haven't had the ability to make territorial claims at sea for quite some time, and are looking to make up for lost time.

They are banking that the Philippines will yield and the U.S. will not risk an open conflict with China over a little portion of the South China Sea (that the Chinese probably suspect harbors oil or coal - likely another factor for their insistence on the issue).

They are publicizing the annual drills in an attempt to drum up internal propaganda. Even though the drills are a regular event and not connected to the territorial dispute in the slightest - the Chinese are using this opportunity to make it appear to their citizens (who don't know it's regular and unrelated) as though we are provoking a military response.

The Chinese tend to be pretty principled. Which is why I mentioned recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation being a method of trolling them. Nothing shuts a negotiation with the Chinese down faster than speaking as though Taiwan is independent. If you want to get them amped up enough to start shooting at you - officially declare Taiwan an independent nation.

They'll invade Taiwan the next day - whether or not they are ready. They'll send their army swimming across the damned ocean to storm the beach.

No need to run military drills.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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Not really the same thing.


Actually it is, for example in North of Kosovo America isnt leading the Serbs there own elections in there own occupied state by the Albanians.

Yet even the supposed victims Albanians pro cried out in the 1990s that they wanted elections america was all for them and with them, but not America now isn't showing the same thing to the Serbian people in North Kosovo.

And why? its all interest.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 04:49 AM
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can someone explain to me how china can claim so much past their Econmoic zones
looking at the map they are claiming areas almost at the shores of most other countries?



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
Another annual drill that is not anything new.

China is just getting a stiffie over their "carrier killer" missiles and wants to sit at the poker table.

They should really learn to be quiet before we officially recognize Taiwan as being the independent nation we treat them as.

THAT is how you troll the PRC. Not with military exercises that occur the same week of every year like clockwork. Sheesh.


Wow!

You seem to know everything about everything without leaving any room for fact or even an intelligent guess.

Please enlighten us as to how you are privy to these World affairs in such detail that you can state unequivocally as to the intentions of another Nation while 99% of the World is in the dark.

Thank you

Peace



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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You seem to know everything about everything without leaving any room for fact or even an intelligent guess.


Wow that was a zinger!

Somebody's cranky.

I do think that with all of these countries staring each other down it's a matter of time before someone pulls the trigger. Say some field commander making a judgement call fires on......whoever. It could happen don't you think?
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Lets begin digesting this misunderstood monster with a bit of HISTORY, eh?

Prior to and during WW2, China was referred to as the "Republic of China". And was run by Chiang Kai-shek from 1925.

He was our ally in WW2 against Japan.. At the close of war, Taiwan, which had been OCCUPIED BY JAPAN
since 1895... yep a LONG time...was SURRENDERED to the Republic of China, in the treaty. And it WAS then OCCUPIED by Chiang Kai Shek and his government.

At the END OF WW2, was when shortly thereafter that Mao Tse Tung's revolution (People Republic of China)drove the ROC boys into defense and hiding on the only hunk of the Republic of China, that still existed, albight by only a couple of years due to the surrender treaty with Japan...and they were completely isolated to the island of Taiwan by 1949.

SO... depending on how one lays claim to something.... It was Japans from 1895 to 1945, then the ROC's from 1945 until NOW.. the PRC, (Commies).. took over most of the ROC land, mainland China.. and NEVER CONQUERED the Island of Taiwan...

Herein lies the dispute between these two Nations, or nation and State...the PRC and the ROC, it never ends, will never end until someone kicks someones buttocks me thinks..lol. Thus the diplomatic dance for 60+ years by the USA with the ROC, (Taiwan)..

NOW.. to the South China Sea, this is over a dispute of the Spratly Islands, which are in the South China Sea, which are known to hold a lot of hydrocarbons, oil...etc.. nat gas..

There a number of nations which lay claim to this area of the oceans...


The Spratly Islands dispute is a territorial dispute over the ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands located in the South China Sea. States staking claims to various islands are: Brunei, China (People's Republic of China), Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam. All except Brunei occupy some of the islands.


HERE

Go to the link to check out the whole history of the dispute and you will see basically China claims the whole Sea, and to heck with the other guys..lol.

And there is legal arguments over what treaty to go by, and some the boundries on the southern end of the ONE treaty they all go by especially China, doesnt list the Islands in the treaty but China takes it to mean that far south and includes the entire Island group.. YEP this is the stuff wars are fought over..

IF China is drug into a war that is perhaps started by Israel invading and/or bombing Irans nuclear "stuff" and China jumps into it, and WE do too...or drug into it...China may be forced for its own survival to strike out and take over this area.. similar to Japans occupying many regions once the USA and others put the big oil embargo and steel embargo on them..prior to WW2.

Dangerous games are afoot... we have given, or sold the Phillipines a small warship... tiny thing really with one automatic 5 inch gun in front..but some serious blustering has taken place there in the Spratly Island area.. China ramming Jap fishing boats, etc..some folks have died..already.

The USA is trying to encircle China as it has done with Russia, and why Russia is kinda testy about that all too.

USA put troops in Darwin... Is rethinking the Republic of the Phillipines base again.. and Viet Nam is begging USA to re-occupy KhamRon Bay...as a deterrent to Chinas possible future ambitions in the region. EVERYONE of those little countries are pretty nervous over what China may do down the road..

Thus this area IS an EXTREME HOT SPOT, almost as "HOT" as the Straight of Hormuz, in many ways.

It will figure big in the future IF there is major war in the region..

Pravdaseeker
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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China's claim to those islands are complete and total bull#. China may want to expand its influence and territory but with out a Navy that can go toe to toe with the US Navy their # out of luck (for now anyway).



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by illusive man
can someone explain to me how china can claim so much past their Econmoic zones
looking at the map they are claiming areas almost at the shores of most other countries?


China has myriad land and sea claims based on whatever excuse they want to invent. China's behaviour regarding some of these claims has led to conflict in the past and is a potential flash point in the future.

Is it a wonder that nations in the Far East and across Asia are keen to ensure they exercise with their US allies?

Regards



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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This is what I was talking about in the thread about the India missile test.

Countries are raising their bets in the world theater, making harder threats, drawing lines in the sand saying to each-other "you can't do this", or "we won't accept this".

The Syria case is a clear example of that. Nobody agrees on anything, and everyone is approaching the issue very carefully. The Russian Federation and China don't like how the Western powers were hoping to get in the problem like usual.

Now China is starting to look aggressive, rather than acceptive. Usually China says "we don't approve this", but gets on with their usual business.

The fact that countries like China and Russia are stepping up their rhetoric should raise concerns on our politicians. The time to fool around with the world politics has come to an end. We need to be mature and calm from now on.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter


Well Well Nice Going there Peace Winner Obama! Your leading into a confrontation with China and over what? Regional disputes.



Just as a point of reference, Obama's entire acceptance speech to the Nobel committee was in defense and praise of American military might and intervention around the world.

People might not be so surprised he continues Americas policies of empire if they ever just listened to anything he actually says.

That goes for his followers and detractors.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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praise of American military might and intervention around the world.



Ah yes the same American military might and intervention around the world that is now helping in forming radical Islamic governments.

In Egypt,Tunisia,Libya,Syria? as for Bahrain the king is a puppet to KSA.
Yeah and how come this great military might and intervention around the world hasn't come to Bahrain yet? hypocrisy much?

This same intervention around the world has only helped on destroying countries rather then fixing them.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by JBRiddle
China's claim to those islands are complete and total bull#. China may want to expand its influence and territory but with out a Navy that can go toe to toe with the US Navy their # out of luck (for now anyway).




that can go toe to toe with the US Navy their # out of luck (for now anyway).


Dont to be sure about that After All China is the birthplace of Sun Tzu.




China may want to expand its influence and territory


There are a lot of people now that are saying America has spread its influence to much. Once your spreading your influence to much, you will get protests sooner or later in Europe.

Remember all those so called Eastern Europe Colored Revolutions? they were formed by the CFR and other NGO organizations in order to.

Spread the American influence in those former held Soviet,States.
This is why we have Newt coming out and admitting it by stating and claiming that he defeated the soviets no he didn't.

Defeat the soviets but however he did belong to a NGO organization this is why a lot when they listen to him when he says that they will be confused by it. Its because they dont understand the topic.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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The countries in question that you speak of are largely #ed in the head to begin with. You are looking at cultures where, for much of documented history, society has been dictated by he who has the big stick (and can get others with big sticks to follow him).

As for locations like Bahrain, the UAE, etc - we do have a considerable military presence there. However, the locals are quite sensitive to our presence, so we keep it fairly low key. Of course - we aren't completely out of place as Americans - since both countries are a figurative melting pot for the world. People come from all over to look for jobs, there, due to the extreme wealth of the nations brought about by the oil industry, there.

Of course, I'm also getting ready to go on watch in a few hours to babysit a few minesweepers bound for the Strait of Hormuz, and will, interestingly enough, also be providing pier-side security in that region (though not necessarily for those ships) before too much longer.

It's actually kind of interesting - seeing how those four small ships can play such a critical role in global events.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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China wants to show everyone what they've got. US wants to expand their naval bases and airfields for strategic purposes. The Philippines dying economy will be caught in a far worse situation. This is going to be one of the war build up in the Pacific.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Wow!

You seem to know everything about everything without leaving any room for fact or even an intelligent guess.


Hello, you must be new. I'm Aim. I know a lot of things, and can wager an educated hypothesis towards everything else.

There are three rules I have. First, and foremost, is that you will stand as an individual before me. Whether you identify with a group, or not, is irrelevant. Your individual perspective and existence is what is being analyzed. Second; you will never, under any circumstance, dismiss my analysis of the situation. I don't give a gahootin' holler what rank, pay, or status you have. Third: You will challenge my view/analysis systematically in an intelligent, scientific manner.


Please enlighten us as to how you are privy to these World affairs in such detail that you can state unequivocally as to the intentions of another Nation while 99% of the World is in the dark.


Well, the simple answer is that I'm in the top 1% of the population in terms of intellectual performance.

The more complicated answer is that the "rest of the world" isn't in the dark. But, it is difficult to distinguish this as being the case with cranial-induced impaction of the rectum.

These threats are, actually, not all that new. China may be a bit more noisy and boisterous about it, this time around, but the issue over the Spratley Islands is a very old one. H. Jay Riker wrote one of his novels from the Silent Service series, "The Seawolf Class" about subsurface warfare breaking out over the Spratley Islands - a book I read in High School about eight years ago.

David Poyer also wrote a couple novels involving conflicts between India and China - while Tom Clancy's "The Bear and The Dragon" expounds upon a conflict between Russia and China when China decides to push North into Siberia as opposed to face off against India.

Like I said - you don't have to take my analysis for granted. However - do not expect me to neglect the outstanding issue of your own viewpoint... which is currently quite lacking.

You're not in the dark about China. You just don't want to put forth the effort to understand the situation.

China wants to ignore international copyrights/patents, thereby choking out Western competition in their local market place. This creates a one-way trade scheme.

And here they want us to not back up the Philippines' claim to the Spratley Islands? ... For us to not consider Taiwan as an independent nation?

It's time we start using the strong-arms we have against China. The reality is that they need trade with us more than we need trade with them. It's time to start twisting their arm. Twist if off, if necessary. India would be more than willing to slide into their trade vacancy (as well as many other nations) - and at least make some kind of effort to respect international copyrights/patents.





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