The Forgotten People Of The America's

reply to post by lonegurkha


Lets see, TPTB set the whitemans fears into motion thru propaganda to clear the native populations from the new world. To begin preparations for the coming new world order in which the leader of a worldwide gov. would one day be seated.

TPTB knew very well what they were doing as history reveals the absolute inhuman cruelty that was unleashed on the Native American Indians because why ? Because they were in the way. The dispicable acts
of the unconscionable whiteman against Native Americans such as, giving them blankets that came directly from
small pox facilities, wiping out there food supply. Were a direct result and are the best example I could ever think of if one considers the lengths of cruelty that these psychopathic families are more than willing to perpatrate
on anyone, group, or race.

The only reason the Native American wasn't completely exterminated down to the last man ? The way I look at things ?
Is because the tribal populations became so weak and frail, the white settlers were becoming sickened by the atrocities at which point TPTB had to step in to become the big hero and save the populace from the brutal white settlers. A proud and ancient people had been nearly exterminated and in the process brutalised beyond belief do to thier innocense and a hundred years later their descendents who experienced none of this get casinos ?

Truth, justice and the american way.

God will surely vindicate them. I wish I could.

SnF op. We need to be reminded of this every single day no matter how old the subject is percieved. Constantly even.

The most persecuted people on the planet are the Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, Satanists, Atheists and Jews.

Of those groups Jews and Atheists are persecuted the most.

Homosexuals have their friends in the media to support them. Blacks do too. Jews do not and neither do atheists.

And no, I am not making a joke, being sarcastic or trolling in any way.

Homosexuals and Blacks are still discriminated against.

But nobody really likes atheists and atheists are the most distrusted people in America.

Jews have a religious war by Muslims and Islam being waged against them, and make no mistake it is a war of genocide. Not only that, there is an awful lot of antisemitism in the world to boot. There's entire forums such as Stormfront dedicated to hating them and other websites such as Jew Watch.

It's shameful. But really, white people are the most hateful people of all.

i am glad this topic has gotton some attention, when i was wondering on whether or not to post it i wasn't sure about how well received it would be....thank you everyone who has flagged this up and commented

reply to post by randyvs


I agree Randy,glad to see you posting. The reality of the atocracies commited on the native americans still sickens me. They are a wonderful people with a rich culture ,who I think, could have contributed a great deal to our culture, had they not been almost exterminated.

Originally posted by Apollo7
reply to post by shamaniski

 

How do you trace back where you came from? I know something about the Baker List, but I have been un-able to trace back. Is there somekind of DNA Test to find out if I have Indian Blood in me?

I know because my father has records of his 3rd generation grandfather who was a full blood native American from an Ottawa tribe of now Canada. He married a white woman so there children would be 1/2 then the next generation would be 1/4th, Etc. Down to my father who was 1/16 and married a white woman so that makes me 1/32. I think the least amount you can have to still claim to have heritage is 1/64th.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Of those groups Jews and Atheists are persecuted the most.

You're kidding right? I've not heard of any persecution against Jews since the Holocaust (in which many non-Jews died, as well as the '5,999,999' Jews). As for the war being waged against them on the land they stole from the true Semites - don't make me laugh!

Great Thread! Well, not "great" because it does deal with some horrifying subject matter. Perhaps informative and well-put-together was what I was looking for. It's a disgrace how in the past and even today Native cultures are being abused, marginalized, and ignored. I've seen it in both the U.S. and Canada. I can't imagine how it must be. To have your people and entire culture persecuted for hundreds of years. How do you recover from that?

Amazing how people can be "just get over it". It was an attempted genocide. Don't think anyone is looking for sympathy but to brush it off as a "whatever" is pretty shallow.

reply to post by ronishia

Did you know? Despite their cooperation with white settlers, which had earned them recognition as one of the Five Civilized Tribes, thousands of Cherokees were sent to their death on the Trail of Tears. In accordance with the cultural transformation proposed by George Washington and Henry Knox, which involved many treaties and efforts to cooperate with the settlers, including abandoning traditional practices and adopting white ways, the Cherokee, along with the Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole, earned the title of Five Civilized Tribes (Perdue 2003). Trail of TearsCherokees were displaced from their ancestral lands in northern Georgia and the Carolinas in a period of rapidly expanding white population. Some of the rapid expansion was due to a gold rush around Dahlonega, Georgia in the 1830s. One official reason given was that the Cherokee were not efficiently using their land and the land should be given to white farmers. However there is ample evidence that the Cherokee were adopting modern farming techniques, and a modern analysis shows that the area was in general in a state of economic surplus (Wishart 1995). The Indian Removal Act was signed into effect by president Andrew Jackson in 1830, and the relocation of the American Indians from the Southeast began.

I do know.... sadly I do know. I live in Tennessee and am reminded of the Trail of Tears daily as I drive it all the time. I was taken to the reservation several times when I was a kid and learned about it before I learned it in school.

The home of Andrew Jackson is right down the street from me. I have never visited it and won't. I don't like what he stood for. Period.

When I was around the age of 6 I had a dream of white people and Indians on a back deck over looking a pasture. I always think of this dream as my arrival party when I return "home". Always have and always will.

The Native American's are over looked and its a shame. For me though.... not over looked and very well respected.

I have Cherokee on my moms side and we can only trace the genealogy so far which isn't far at all. We think they changed their last name so they wouldn't be persecuted.... its vague but.... we don't know why else they changed their last name to a more common white name.

Awesome thread OP!!! S and F!!!

Sadly, regrettably, shamefully, and disturbingly... our country was founded through some of the worst evils seen on this planet.

And it continues today... albeit in a "tamer" fashion. Native American populations have the highest rates of rape, obesity, alcoholism, poverty, and so on of just about any other group. And STILL, as a total SHAME to our name, we let them decay, live in squalor, and STILL seek to screw them over more by STILL ignoring treaties. We let our various corporations/industries/militaries run amok destroying indigenous lands, peoples, waters, foods, and so on. We are STILL stealing their lands/resources (even though this nation stuck them on some of the WORST land in the country to begin with) in the name of our civilization, government, Capitalism, domestication and industrialization. It's disgusting beyond words and ought to be stopped, reversed, and punished.


A few relevant quotes:


"In our cultural mythology we see ourselves as having left tribalism behind the way modern medicine left the leech and the bleeding bowl behind, and we did so decisively and irrevocably. This is why it's so difficult for us to acknowledge that tribalism is not only the preeminently human social organization, it's also the only unequivocally successful social organization in human history. Thus, when even so wise and thoughtful a statesman as Mikhail Gorbachev calls for "a new beginning" and "a new civilization," he doesn't doubt for a single moment that the pattern for it lies in the social organization that has introduced humanity to oppression, injustice, poverty, chronic famine, incessant violence, genocide, global warfare, crime, corruption, and wholesale environmental destruction. To consult, in our time of deepest crisis, with the unqualified success that humanity enjoyed here for more than three million years is quite simply and utterly unthinkable."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Wherever civilization emerges, tribalism withers and is replaced by hierarchalism. Hierarchalism works very well for the rulers but much less well for the ruled, who make up the mass of the society. For this reason, the few at the top like it very well and the masses at the bottom like it very much less well."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"During our three or four million years on this planet it can hardly be doubted that thousands of cultural experiments have been made among humans. The successes have survived--and the failures have disappeared, for the simple reason that eventually there was no one around who wanted to perpetuate them. People will (ordinarily) put up with being miserable for only so long. It's not the quitters who are extraordinary and mysterious, it's we, who have somehow managed to persuade ourselves that we must persist in our misery whatever the cost and not abandon it even in the face of calamity."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Crimes are what the state defines as crimes. Trespassing is a crime, but interrupting is not, and we therefore have two entirely different ways of handling them--which people in tribal societies do not. Whatever the trouble is, whether it's bad manners or murder, they handle it themselves, the way you handle the interrupter. Evoking the power of the state isn't an option for them, because they have no state. In tribal societies, crime simply doesn't exist as a separate category of human behavior."
- Daniel Quinn, The Story of B


"The people of your culture imagine that the treasury was completely empty when you came along and began to build civilization ten thousand years ago. You imagine that the first three million years of human life brought nothing of value to the store of human knowledge but fire and stone tools. In fact, however, you began by emptying the treasury of its most precious elements. You wanted to start with nothing and invent it all, and you did. Unfortunately, aside from the products (which work very well), you've been able to invent very little that works well--for people."
- Daniel Quinn, My Ishmael


"We're experiencing cultural collapse. The very same collapse that was experienced by the Plains Indians when their way of life was destroyed and they were herded onto reservations. The very same collapse that was experienced by countless aboriginal peoples overrun by us in Africa, South America, Australia, New Guinea, and elsewhere. It matters not that the circumstances of the collapse were different for them and for us, the results were the same. For both of us, in just a few decades, shocking realities invalidated our vision of the world and made nonsense of a destiny that had always seemed self-evident. For both of us, the song we'd been singing from the beginning of time suddenly died in our throats."
- Daniel Quinn, The Story of B

And a few more...


"'Your task is not to reach back but to reach forward.'
'But to what? We can't just walk away from our civilization the way the Hohokam did.'
'That's certainly true. The Hohokam had another way of life waiting for them, but you must be inventive--if it's worthwhile to you. If you care to survive.' He gave me a dull stare. 'You're an inventive people, aren't you? You pride yourselves on that, don't you?'
'Yes.'
'Then invent.'"
- Daniel Quinn, Ishmael


"What I've endeavored to say in all my books is that the flaw in our civilization isn't in the people, it's in the system. It's true that the system has been clanking along for ten thousand years, which is a long time in the time-scale of an individual life, but when viewed in the time-scale of human history, this episode isn't remarkable for its epic length but for its tragic brevity."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Tribal life is not perfect, idyllic, noble, or wonderful, but wherever it's found intact, it's found to be working well--as well as the life of lizards, raccoons, geese, or beetles--with the result that the members of the tribe are not generally enraged, rebellious, desperate, stressed-out borderline psychotics being torn apart by crime, hatred, and violence."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Our history is full of underclass insurrections, revolts, rebellions, riots, and revolutions, but not a single one has ever ended with people just walking away. This is because our citizens know that civilization must continue at any cost and not be abandoned under any circumstance. So they will go berserk, will destroy everything in sight, will slaughter all the elite they can get their hands on, will burn, rape, and pillage--but they will never just walk away.
This is why the behavior of the Maya, the Olmec, and the rest is so unfathomably mysterious to our historians. For them, it seems self-evident that civilization must continue at any cost and never be abandoned under any circumstance."
- Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization


"Of course when the people of your culture look at tribal peoples, they don't see wealth of any kind, they see poverty. This is understandable, since the only kind of wealth they recognize is the kind that can be locked up, and tribal peoples are not much interested in that kind."
- Daniel Quinn, My Ishmael

As a direct descendent from a Trail of Tears survivor, this thread caught my attention. I read the entire thread and have come to only a single conclusion. I am always amazed at how the white-man can use so many words to say so little .

Buck

Originally posted by flatbush71
As a direct descendent from a Trail of Tears survivor, this thread caught my attention. I read the entire thread and have come to only a single conclusion. I am always amazed at how the white-man can use so many words to say so little .

Buck

Firstly... do you know the color/gender of each person on here?

Secondly... what would you say to those who can only sit afar with their limited-experience and thoughts of what happened to your (and many others') ancestors?

I believe this video fits here perfectly as the issues in the interview are not touched by the Main Stream Media. The issue obviously is about what is under the ground, Oil, Gas and minerals. Canada does not want the Indians to get anything from this or be compensated for damages or for them to have anything to say. Sounds familiar the world over.

Here is the damage
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This is bad news in a continual string of bad news.