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Who are the Fascists?

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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
 


You think wrong Obama Care is the perfect example of us Governrment decreed by law you buy a corporate product and are fined for not doing so.

All those evil right wingers ever make you pay for a corporate good? No



Yes, I pay subsidies to all kinds of corporate entities with my tax dollars...

But the point is, Liberals do NOT preach about the evils of government
and then in the same breath use the government they claim they are against.
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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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"Fascism" is one of the mutt words that has multiple interpretations. It's been used in the English language for less than a century...

Etymology of "fascist"

It was adopted from Italian's trending meaning of the word. It has it's roots in the Italian word "fasces" and the definition was evolving to refer to a concentration of a single political group in totalitarian rule...

ETA:


Like fascism, originally used in English in its Italian form, as an Italian word. [Fowler: "Whether this full anglicization of the words is worth while cannot be decided till we know whether the things are to be temporary or permanent in England" -- probably an addition to the 1930 reprint, retained in 1944 U.S. edition.] Fasci "groups of men organized for political purposes" had been a feature of Sicily since c.1895, and the 20c. totalitatrian sense probably came directly from this, but influenced by the Roman fasces, which became the party symbol.


It seems that initially it was practically synonymous with an oligarchy.
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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by jlm912

It seems that initially it was practically synonymous with an oligarchy.
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Oh... Republican benefactors



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 01:42 AM
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The reality is that fascism refers not to the privatization of 'common property', but the opposite: to it's collectivization. In short, the antidote to fascism is not more government control of business, but less.



The left's argument that modern conservatives are corporatists and fascists is a total corruption of the terms and of historical fact. If we look back at Mussolini and his fascist state we do not see corporations taking over the state, but rather the opposite, the state taking over corporations. I do not mean to say that 'big corporations' do not go along with and possibly even see this as sometimes in their interests, after all some of the greatest proponents of state control of business are in fact billionaire businessmen. I am merely pointing out that the fascist movement was not inspired and led by businessmen nor business interests, but by politicians and ideologues. It was Mussolini himself who coined the word fascist and created its political philosophy.



There is little historical evidence for the kind of fascism the left routinely accuses the GOP and corporations of engaging in. Corporatism was not corporate control of the state, but the state's control of corporations. Even the Wikipedia entry for this topic admits that it was not Mussolini's intent for the state to share power with any other interest.



The key element of fascism is the primacy of the state, not the business interest.



The hallmark of Huey Longs rise to power was his 'Share the Wealth' program, a massive plan to redistribute the wealth of the country so that, 'poverty would be wiped out'. Huey's chosen political enemy was the rich and the corporate interests. The reason there were poor among us, he said was that the rich had all the wealth.


www.watchblog.com...

So someone tear this apart



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
 


Bush and right wingers

Homeland security
Patriot act
Rendition
Iraq
Afghanistan
anti gay marriage

and whatelse?

Obama and left wingers

Homeland still around
Patriot act still around and powers increased
Ndaa
Sopa
Tsa powers have increase and its intrusions.
Goverment approval of blackbox vehicle tracking
Amending the Us constitition first amendment
The Care act
The clean water act
Rendition
Pakistan
Yemen
Somalia
Uganda
Fairness Doctrine
Gun control

So Obama shrunk the power of Government has it?

Right


edit on 21-4-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


What else...

Columbia,
Chile,
Nicaragua,
Pamama
Laos
Cambodia
Iraq again
Death Squads
arming Iran, over throwing the Shaw
arming Iraq, befriending Saddam
funding the Taliban in the first place
The "War" on Drugs
...

You are a flaming hypocrite buddy




Am I the only one that sees Neo making things up?
The Fairness Doctrine eh?
So a hypocrite and...



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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Fascism is rule by corporate interests.

Authoritarian views are held by both liberals and conservatives.

Liberals will try to control how you think and how you express yourself. For example, you can't criticize Islam or Muslims or homosexuals in any way shape or form without being called a homophobe or an Islamophobe. They view themselves as the ultimate authority on how people express themselves, what can and can not be expressed. If you express any opinion they don't approve of, you are a bigot or a racist in some way shape or form.

Conservatives want religious authority. For example, to outlaw abortion in order to enslave women to their biology and to outlaw homosexual marriage. You can't criticize Christianity in any way shape or form without being called a God hater.

Both ways of thinking need to go the way of the dodo.

And neither cares about freedom of speech and the right to express it except as how it applies to them.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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What have i made up?

Make the claim back it up and add some substance to the thread instead of taking pot shots at posters.
edit on 22-4-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 02:03 AM
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There are 2 dimensions of persuasion: social and economical. You can be progressive or conservative in either of those dimensions. We get confused because, Hitler's party was far left economically but far right socially, hence the accusations from both wings.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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An interesting concept of a Fascist/Rebublic futuristic Government can be seen in the movie Starship Troopers. This movie...brought to us by Paul Verhoeven...even though being a Sci-Fi Action Flick...has an interesting concept of a World Society where there is Freedoms and Rights for the Individual but only Voting Privileges given to the CITIZENS by which Citizenship is guaranteed through Military Service.

I am not sure what to make of this concept...but it intrigued by it none the less. Split Infinity



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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Since when was fascism right wing? yes the right wing get smeared with the term all of the time but fascism is very much a left wing thing.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 02:26 AM
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quote from NEO96s avatar,

inevitability: the knowledge that no
matter what you do the rest of your life,
youll never be as cool as corperate overlord


i wounder if irony really covers this op from a person who sees corperate over lords as "cool"

sounds to me like you have been sent hear on behalf of your "cool" overlords to make us love our servatude to the corperate overlords.

AGAIN
fashism is,
the 1% writing legislation to be passed by bought politicians,
that seves a small corperate interest, (money)
over the wants and needs of the people.

sounds to me like you like corperations writting legislation

xploder



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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Am I the only one that sees Neo making things up?
The Fairness Doctrine eh?
So a hypocrite and...


The Fairness Doctrine is real, Doctor.

The Fairness Doctrine


The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced. The FCC decided to eliminate the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.[1]

The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented.[2]

The main agenda for the doctrine was to ensure that viewers were exposed to a diversity of viewpoints. In 1969 the United States Supreme Court upheld the FCC's general right to enforce the Fairness Doctrine where channels were limited. But the courts did not rule that the FCC was obliged to do so.[3] The courts reasoned that the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum, which limited the opportunity for access to the airwaves, created a need for the Doctrine. However, the proliferation of cable television, multiple channels within cable, public-access channels, and the Internet have eroded this argument, since there are plenty of places for ordinary individuals to make public comments on controversial issues at low or no cost.

The Fairness Doctrine should not be confused with the Equal Time rule. The Fairness Doctrine deals with discussion of controversial issues, while the Equal Time rule deals only with political candidates.


The Fairness Doctrine



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 03:30 AM
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AGAIN
fashism is,
the 1% writing legislation to be passed by bought politicians,
that seves a small corperate interest, (money)
over the wants and needs of the people.

sounds to me like you like corperations writting legislation


The 110th and 111th Congress are a great example of the agenda in recent times.

Both were highly infested with Liberals.

Both did their job well.

The radical Left uses the "fascism" label as a political tool to accuse opponents of what they themselves are guilty of.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 03:30 AM
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Not sure where people are getting their information from, but this entire thread is inaccurate and just plain silly.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 03:58 AM
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Absolutely not, I not not believe the in the left right paradigm I believe it is interently flawed, to limit power to a select few.

I do not consider "leftists: to be evil, nor do I consider rightists etc. In fact I class my self as a commune-ist what I am saying, if you care to look it up, is that fascism occupies the authoritarian slant of both the right and the left. This is my academics have a hard time to position it, tand there is so much debate. I implore you to look it up.

Initially conceived by the Italians with nationalism and communism entwined, this is fact. Think if the spectrum at least as a bi-axial. Left to Right Libertarian v authoritarian.

Fascism occupies the entire area outside of the mainstream on the authoritarian side from left to right. This is the only way to solve the paradox that confuses people. How can one thing be left and right? simple add another axis and plot areas not points



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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HOLY CRAP! I had seen the Obama youth marching vid, but I never saw the first one. That is indoctrination at it's sickest!!



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 04:34 AM
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Everything in your OP sounds to me like you are chatting about the Islamists.... everything you say is what they are trying to do....

This is what i see as Fascist anyway.... the same as what the Nazi's were trying to do.... and what any other Left Wing/Right Wing group would want...



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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OP, you have either NO clue or TOO MUCH of a malicious clue when it comes to the disinfo/propaganda you're spreading.

Just in case you are simply uninformed (sure...), please educate yourself, then post.

Start here:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

- Benito Mussolini

Look up your -isms before you type.

Thanks.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by XPLodER
 



AGAIN
fashism is,
the 1% writing legislation to be passed by bought politicians,
that seves a small corperate interest, (money)
over the wants and needs of the people.

sounds to me like you like corperations writting legislation


The 110th and 111th Congress are a great example of the agenda in recent times.

Both were highly infested with Liberals.

Both did their job well.

The radical Left uses the "fascism" label as a political tool to accuse opponents of what they themselves are guilty of.





OK third times the charm,
left and right are a distraction to keep us arguing semantics,
the definition of fashism can be levelled at either side,

WHEN CORPERATIONS WRITE LEGISLATION TO BENIFIT THEMSELVES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE MAJORITY,
YOU HAVE FASISM.

you blame one side to devide people into groups then start arguments that reinforce the devision along partisan lines,

I HAVE SEEN THIS DISTRACTION TECNEIQUE USED OVER AND AGAIN.

YOU SEEK TO GET THE fake LEFT RIGHT GROUPS FIGHTING,
this allows the true fashists COVER to continue to screw the little guy

you are disingenious,
you seek to devide,

look at all the bills that serve only corperate interests,
they come from BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE

you seek to provide politiical cover!!!!!!!

i call you out yet again

xploder



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire

oh please Obama can't be both socialist/communist and fascist. Fascist is right wing always has been always will be!!

This is a better understanding of Fascist, or how they come to power!!!


You sir, or mam are very wrong. Fascism is a LEFTWING ideology. In fact the Italian fascists, the first ones to call themselves so, took the name from this Roman word/symbol "fasces" which means bundle, but also signifies "strength in unity/collective".

If you look at the people who were fascists they were all LEFTWINGERS... Mussolini had been a member of the socialist party his whole life, and he was editor of a socialist newspaper. In fact socialism was the only thing that Mussolini knew, and he said so himself. In 1921 he published the fascist manifesto in which he wrote his nationalist and socialist beliefs.

Hitler and his Nazis were also leftwingers, and were fascists. The word NAZI is an abbreviation of the German word "Nationalsozialismus" or "National SOCIALISM". EVERYTHING Hitler did, the social programs he started, including "Hitler's youth movement" are socialist ideas.

Today's leftwingers love to ignore these facts simply because they cannot accept the truth about their ideologies.



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