Who are the Fascists?

reply to post by neo96


When are all going to stop this game of pseudo-left and right?

Both sides are working for the same people, the capitalist owners of industry.

You are being played.

Obama is on the left in this game, but the reality is he is not left-wing, not in the true sense. He is not working towards worker ownership, free association. No government is.

Both sides are right wing, as in they are state-interventionists. There is no left-wing in government. You hate the dems, dems hate the cons, but it's pointless playing that game when it's all rigged, and nothing changes but peoples names, and the trivial issues you get mad about. You all should be mad at both sides. Stop treating government/state as anything but one entity, designed to keep you from organizing against the true problem, the ownership of the means to produce what you need.

If you look you have both, with your videos, proven that both sides are as bad, but you're stuck in this game unable to realise there are other choices outside of this stealthy corporate dictatorship. I say 'stealthy' because this is a dictatorship, no different to any dictatorship, other than it is well hidden in an illusion of change and participation. But that only goes to a certain level, above which we have no control.

The government you have is the result of your capitalist economy. Your state is ran for capitalist interests, not the interests of the people. Everything you do is designed to make profit for someone else.

If you really looked into it I believe you would all see that worker ownership is the only way to make a fair stable economy, no matter what it's called. Maybe a new name needs to be created in order to get rid of the stigma of old terms. It's called socialism, but everyone wants to claim socialism is a billion other things, and ignores that the term is simply being used to mean worker ownership of the means of production (it's true and original definition). (Socialism can also be called 'public ownership', but in this context that still means workers, not 'public' as in the capitalists sense of a 'publicly owned' company. To be socialism the workers have to own the fruits of their own labour. See how confusing this can all be if you don't understand the details?)

The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

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reply to post by Kali74


No!

reply to post by neo96


I don't care what you say about Obama...to me he's betrayed the American people.

reply to post by ANOK


Lots of reference of capitalist alright "the psuedo left right" by any other name is the "false left right paradigm"

The reality is the left and right is how that (capital) is achieved it is a dictomy the Yin and the Yang.

One beleives in private ownership and the other believes in pseudo public ownership via the state besides there are over 100 million owners of corporations and banking via stock via pensions and other means.

reply to post by Kali74


I will agree with that and will add this nations Government has betrayed its people but here is the rub

we do nothing about it and opinions vary how to change that which is where left and right come in.

reply to post by neo96


So why demonize anyone but the government and the "people" filling their pockets and buying legislation that benefits them and harms us? And why one side over the other?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

Fascism is actually a far left ideology.. the three main branches of Left ideology are Fascism, Communism and Socialism.

The is not accurate, Fascism was opposed by Left wingers, In Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal
and even Germany... The Nazis primary opposition was the communist party, who were
also militarized.

The interesting thing about you conclusion is that is seems to appeal that Right Wing
can do no wrong - I mean I wonder where they were when 8 different European Countries
were having core struggles about the way to govern? Are you trying to say the Far right
was busy having tea while The "Lefty" fascists and the Communists were killing each other??

reply to post by Kali74


What political group has expanded governments power and control and sits there an adds more power to it under liberalism?

Demonize? mostly because they deserve it.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Kali74

 

What political group has expanded governments power and control and sits there an adds more power to it under liberalism?

George W Bush did it for 8 years hypocrite

reply to post by braindeadconservatives


Wrong and you know it the level of power and control under Bush was NOWHERE NEAR what it is now

reply to post by neo96

What political group has expanded governments power and control and sits there an adds more power to it under liberalism?

Both political groups have expanded governments power to give control to corporations and banks and sits there an adds more power to it under corporatism.

I fixed it for you.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

I don't care what you say about Obama...to me he's betrayed the American people.

Why Obama, why not Bush Bush Senior or Reagan?

reply to post by Cassius666


All of them really. Probably the last President we had that didn't fall in line...was assassinated for it.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Kali74

 

What political group has expanded governments power and control and sits there an adds more power to it under liberalism?

Demonize? mostly because they deserve it.

How about the supreme court expanding power and control over the citizens, and they are majority right wing, conservative.

reply to post by LDragonFire


When has the supreme court ever written a law? Never

There job is to legally judge those laws written there power is defined clearly everyone knows this

The supreme court 5-4 conservative to liberal has granted civil rights to corporations, but gays can't marry, please explain this one to me. All people are created equal, especially corporations, except if you are black, brown or yellow. Somehow, I do not remember the constitution reading that way.

Originally posted by BubbaJoe
The supreme court 5-4 conservative to liberal has granted civil rights to corporations, but gays can't marry, please explain this one to me. All people are created equal, especially corporations, except if you are black, brown or yellow. Somehow, I do not remember the constitution reading that way.

Why don't we let Neo spin er um answer this question.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

When has the supreme court ever written a law? Never

There job is to legally judge those laws written there power is defined clearly everyone knows this

The Supreme Court by decree, granted civil rights to Corporations. Even as a die hard conservative who has more money than God, how can you possibly agree with this? You want people starving in the streets, but corporations are people too? WTH, someone please explain this to me in real english.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by braindeadconservatives

 

Wrong and you know it the level of power and control under Bush was NOWHERE NEAR what it is now

Are you making a joke?

The sad fact is, you are only aware of anything because you are told to fear Obama, but
you were not directed to be aware of Bush's policies as they happened. You were told that
the commie liberals were wrong and giving the patriot George Bush a hard time.

I know, I had a Television, the sad part is you are so unaware which is more detrimental
than ignorance.

reply to post by neo96


How are they worse?
They are spun from the same cloth, but to provide the illusion of separation, they give themselves different labels.

When we look at the campaign contributions for example from Wall Street, they fund both sides of the equation by putting a pigman on each team to represent them. Heads they win, Tails they win.

They care not if they are Democrat or Republican as long as they get their Pigmen in office.

The biggest mistake ever in this country was allowing corporations and financial institutions unlimited power to decide who runs our government.

It is a no brainer that they would be only representing those in their inner circles rather than working for the best interests of all American's.

If you support Corporations and Financial Institutions having unlimited power via money, since money = freedom of speech, and the more money you have, the more power you have over others, then you are part of the problem and helped bring about our current problems.

Government should be serving everyone, not special interests and the rich elite.

Obama is a hollywood script that brought a message of hope and change, while him and his Wall Street administration robbed American people blind.

These people in power, Bush, Obama, Romney etc are disgusting cockroaches.
They may be successful money makers through their lies, corruption and greed, but they are utter complete loosers as human beings.