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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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Guess they do




posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Hitler claiming to be a socialist and being a socialist are two different things. Party leaders in those times appropriated left-wing terms, just like the US did, in order to control peoples thinking.

You have to understand the times. The workers were primarily socialist, and angry, the state wanted to appease the workers. Hitler tricked the people into supporting him by claiming he was for the workers. It is obvious once he was in power he was not.

He wasn't a socialist, as he allowed private ownership of the means of production, capitalism. He can't be both, his actions make him what he was.

You seem to have this idea that what a person does is the definition of a label they use. If I said I was a Christian and killed someone, would you then think Christians are murderers? You logic fails you again.

For example the German Democratic Republic was not democratic.

You can cal him socialist if you want, but be assured it has nothing to do with the socialism of the left-wing.

Again please explain why Hitler, and Mussolini helped Franco fight the socialists? Just showing someones blog, who makes an erroneous claim, is not proof. You need to put that claim in a logical historical context, which you have failed to do.

I think you'll try to claim anything to deny Fascism is a far right ideology.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
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Capitalist interests have dominated the US since it's beginning. Capitalist interest still control the states, and the state, through the feds.
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The Feds/central banking system is a leftwing idea... It was implemented by Progressive Democrats... Yet like always you, and other socialists/leftwingers, want to ignore the fact that this nation, and the world are being subjugated and have been usbjugated by the socialist global cabal... Not by capitalists... but by SOCIALISTS...



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Hitler claiming to be a socialist and being a socialist are two different things. Party leaders in those times appropriated left-wing terms, just like the US did, in order to control peoples thinking.
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Those leftwingers who want power, and control have ALWAYS "appropriated left-wing terms, and have ALWAYS used the same lies and deceptions that you and others like you are trying to use now...

What you are doing is nothing new... It has been done by other people who like you CLAIMED to represent the "workers"...

Hitler and Mussolini not only used the name "socialism"... they were socialists... they implemented socialist ideas, programs and laws...

You can't deny these facts no matter how many times you keep trying.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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Do you have any idea how that is called in socialism/communism?... "COOPERATIVE ENTERPRISES"...

People are allowed to...stay, as if you were renting the place, in a parcel of land, or to keep running a factory but they have to plant, and make what the state tells them they must do...

It happens in countries like Cuba.

I have a cousin in Cuba who the state allows him to have a small tract of land, which they can take at any time "for the good of all, or the good of the revolution", and he has to plant what the state tells him he must...

He can only keep a small percentage of what the state tells him he must plant. The mayority of what he plants he must give to the state "for the good of all" which at the end ends up being sold to other countries, or it is taken to other countries where "the revolution is being spread"...

This is nothing new.

What Hitler did has been done and is being done by other socialists and communists.

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 01:09 AM
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Star for you. Fascism is the forceful imposition of any order that requires standardization not only of thought, but all aspects of society. It defends an almost clock-like order that is predictable and under strict control by the governing body. Any deviance to that order shall be suppressed at all costs.

This type of system is not exclusive to national socialism (that the thread creator seems to point as fascism), for instance the actions he points out as objectionable under is target examples can be turned around. In the USA the issues against freedom of choice regarding babies and family planning can be stated to be fascist because it imposes without any rational basis (like a benefit to society) on others, even violently so... This is also an example on how eugenics is so closely related to fascist ideologies, even if we can defend that to some point eugenics may have a social benefit, ultimately it is a forceful imposition of rules and a suppression of rights to others.

Fascist ideologies are also optimal to industrial production they however suppress creative thinking/innovation, they foment fear as a social motivator not self realization.

Fascism therefore is very mush in line with the psychopathic mentality of corporations, that aspire to nothing else than profit and have no conscience or capability to differentiate moral good and evil beyond its effect on the profit bottom line. A normalized society is also a boon for investment and long time planing, disruptions will be swiftly dealt with...

Another example is how the radical muslims for a time were called fascists or how Israel treatment of the Palestine problem is also fascist.


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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:12 AM
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Absolutely yes. I didn't have the time nor the patience to put it in your wording, but your assessment about the historical context here is spot on.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
[...] this nation, and the world are being subjugated and have been usbjugated by the socialist global cabal... Not by capitalists... but by SOCIALISTS...

Okay now I understand where you're coming from.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse


I see you have ignored my request two times already...

Please tell us, during the 30's and 40's when fascism was viable political outlook...
Who represented the RIGHT WING in Italy and Germany opposing the left wing
Fascists???

Simple question - Once we know that, a lot can proven, should be simple for you
to do.


I'm still here

THIRD request

pony up and put it on the table



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse[...] this nation, and the world are being subjugated and have been usbjugated by the socialist global cabal... Not by capitalists... but by SOCIALISTS...


That is obvioulsy not true.

What socialist global cabal? It is you who has placed the label 'socialist' on it, those who understand what socialism is would find that hilarious.

The problem is simple as I keep saying, the fundamental need of capitalism to make profit. The fact that a minority class has a monopoly on the means of production, and can control the rate of production in order to create scarcity, which creates demand, which increases value, which increases profits, which decreases availability to the rest of us.

Manufacturing is the base of any economy, but American capitalists have sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
That is because of profit, not socialism, capitalism. That along with all your tax money going to war in the ME in order to keep the $ from failing as the worlds currency, and to keep oil artificially scarce in order to make more profit from you.

Socialism has nothing to do with that, trying to blame it on socialism is like blaming the cat for the dog crap you stepped in. If you mean the 'liberals' in government then recognize them for what they are, and they are not socialists, unless you can find one that is demanding worker ownership?

The disease is capitalism, and you keep trying to blame the symptoms.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

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Why is it that people like you have to believe that there must always be an oposition from a different political party?...

Tell me, WHY?... In Cuba for example THERE ARE NO OPPOSITION PARTIES... ONLY ONE the communist regime in power...

They make mock votes, which every Cuban knows will always pick the communist regime, since it is completely corrupt, but there is no opposition party at all...

The fascist/SOCIALIST regime of Hitler was authoritarian, just like other SOCIALIST regimes/dictatorships. They wouldn't allow any real competition and this is why they would even go against OTHER SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS... Stalin, and Lenin did the same thing, just like Mao, and every socialist dictator/regime...

Understand now?

BTW, I am pretty sure i already responded to this question of yours before.

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK

That is obvioulsy not true.

What socialist global cabal? It is you who has placed the label 'socialist' on it, those who understand what socialism is would find that hilarious.
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Yes it is, you are too naive and too brainwashed to admit or understand that socialists ARE NO PERFECT PEOPLE... and the system you continuously claim is so perfect, IS NOT PERFECT AT ALL...

If socialists did not make money through CAPITALISM, they would ALL BE POOR...

BTW, ARE YOU POOR?... I am pretty certain you are not since you are using a computer, have electricity, apparently all day, and can afford to pay for internet service...

Or maybe money grows on trees for you and other socialists right ANOK?...


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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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fascism - ultranationalism (post 9/11 "patriotism") with aggressive imperialism ("bomb em all" mentality) and blaming minority segments of society for all ills (gays, blacks, "welfare moms", drug users, immigrants, etc).

THE MODERN WORD FOR THIS IS "NEOCONSERVATISM".

It is practiced by BOTH republicans and democrats but we all know which party leads the way...



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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Well, maybe if you knew that "neoconservatism" refers to people in the left, socialists and other liberals who oppose/d the policies of other socialists/liberals...

The word RINO (Republicans In Name Only) would be today's definition of "neoconservatives".

BTW, I am not excusing other people in power who are not liberals and are part of the Republican party, yet are not real Republicans.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Obama: "You're On Your Own" Economics Doesn't Work

www.realclearpolitics.com...

I have to agree with you big governement interventism that there is no problem government can't fix is pure right wing ideology and clearly is not left wing idelogy or anything near of what liberalism means.

Liberalism means freedom.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by SimultaneousFinal
 


Well, maybe if you knew that "neoconservatism" refers to people in the left, socialists and other liberals who oppose/d the policies of other socialists/liberals...

The word RINO (Republicans In Name Only) would be today's definition of "neoconservatives".

BTW, I am not excusing other people in power who are not liberals and are part of the Republican party, yet are not real Republicans.
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The American Democrat party are INDEED neocons. Hillary Clinton and Obama are fine examples. These douchetards are "liberals in name only". They are fascists like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove. New boss equals old boss.

RP2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

I'm still here

THIRD request

pony up and put it on the table


Why is it that people like you have to believe that there must always be an oposition from a different political party?...

Tell me, WHY?... In Cuba for example THERE ARE NO OPPOSITION PARTIES... ONLY ONE the communist regime in power...

They make mock votes, which every Cuban knows will always pick the communist regime, since it is completely corrupt, but there is no opposition party at all...

The fascist/SOCIALIST regime of Hitler was authoritarian, just like other SOCIALIST regimes/dictatorships. They wouldn't allow any real competition and this is why they would even go against OTHER SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS... Stalin, and Lenin did the same thing, just like Mao, and every socialist dictator/regime...

Understand now?

BTW, I am pretty sure i already responded to this question of yours before.

edit on 25-4-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


Because it shows exactly that the opposition to the Fascists were communists and left
wingers. From Italy to Spain

There was an active right wing in Germany, they were called Nazi's

There was an Active Right Wing in Norway, they sided with the Nazi's

In Italy, they back Benito

But you seem to think that the American version of Right Wing """SMALL GOVERNMENT""" (wink)
is not the only manifestation of right wing. Right wingers in Israel are not small government, or in
Mexico, or in Canada - it is different everywhere to some degree.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Obama: "You're On Your Own" Economics Doesn't Work

www.realclearpolitics.com...

I have to agree with you big governement interventism that there is no problem government can't fix is pure right wing ideology and clearly is not left wing idelogy or anything near of what liberalism means.

Liberalism means freedom.



Your on your own doesn't work all the time - it is about balance, not extremism



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by braindeadconservatives
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There was an active right wing in Germany, they were called Nazi's

There was an Active Right Wing in Norway, they sided with the Nazi's

In Italy, they back Benito
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You are kidding right?...

Did you read the points I posted about the fascist manifesto of Mussolini?... You call those "rightwing"? or the writtings of Hitler and the Nazis plus the programs they implemented?... You want to call those "rightwing" as well?... please...

Socialists and communists have fought against each others PLENTY OF TIMES... There doesn't have to be a "rightwing against leftwing" in every nation...

It is obvious by your name that you don't want to admit the facts simply because you fall somewhere in leftwing ideology...



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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by neo96


Obama: "You're On Your Own" Economics Doesn't Work


When did I say it does?


Originally posted by neo96


I have to agree with you big governement interventism that there is no problem government can't fix is pure right wing ideology and clearly is not left wing idelogy or anything near of what liberalism means.

Liberalism means freedom.



Have you ever read the communist manifesto, or the centralization of power, central banks, the nationalization of infraestructure that even socialism seeks?... Leftwing ideology is the one that claims that big government can fix everything...

Any Republican who claims that big government fixes everything is no Republican...


BTW, from what branch of politics is Ron Paul?... Even though he once ran as independent because the Republican party ran with other nominees for President, he is back as a REPUBLICAN for a reason... Does he seek big government?...




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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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When did I say it does?


Just using as a context for the thread you didnt say it

I have read bits and pieces of the commie manfesto don't like anyone who supports "theres no problem government can't solve.

Sorry for the miscommunication.

Don't like some of Pauls comments about the right about how they hate gays and muslims to me its no better than the left wing going around saying right wingers hate women and children
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