Who are the Fascists?

reply to post by neo96


Honestly, there'd be know point in trying to have an honest discussion with you.

You've got no interest in doing anything but spreading propaganda.

Which is fine, I suppose, but don't expect honest people to argue with propagandists.

Facism and communism also happens when you love insects and animals over top human beings and love money more as well.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

Honestly, there'd be know point in trying to have an honest discussion with you. You've got no interest in doing anything but spreading propaganda.

I agree, and just being honest. I'm surprised he's allowed to get away with this. This whole thread is one big pile of smelly dung. It's not even propaganda, it's just silly nonsense that doesn't make any sense lol. I'm not saying that to be rude either, I'm saying that because it's just true!

I also can't believe all these people following him and agreeing with this stuff, like the Pied Piper of Hamelin leading a crowd of clucking chickens. Oh dear...

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


What i am doing is exercising my constitutional right of free speech do not care if people have problems with it.

A corporation that develops an industry that provides jobs that raise the standard of living of a community is a welcome and beneficial thing. A corporation that sponsors a softball team or a recreation center or donates a library or endows a university is interacting with the community in a positive way.

A corporation that contracts to do work that the State deems necessary for the improvement of any part of national activity or endeavour is interacting with the State in a healthy way.

A corporation that connives with elements of State government to prey on the citizenry only for personal profit is acting as part of a fascist combination of Corporate and State power.

Turning the State and Corporate combination into a war machine, the purpose of which is to prey on other countries to the neglect of the proper interests of State and Corporation and the people, is to emulate the fascism of Nazi Germany.

Whenever a corporation involves itself in the activities of government on any level of society, we should always ask ourselves, "What is the quid pro quo?"

What is the corporation getting out of this?

Corporations exist to make money. In a healthy symbiosis with the State, they can make money and help the general population to many benefits.

Sometimes they want a tax write off. Sometimes they want a contract and are willing to feed back into the community in a mutually beneficial way.

Sometimes they want a chance to loot the national treasury in exchange for the opportunity to sacrifice thousands of young citizens in meaningless, maladroit and destructive wars that murder hundreds of thousands of comparatively innocent foreigners.

Corporate activity can drift into fascism if close watch is not kept on the quid pro quo.

When corporations are paying off legislative watchdogs in order to loot the national treasury, you are half way to a fascist state.

From there it is a short hop to a totalitarian nightmare.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by technical difficulties

 

Who said i want to control it?

No where in this thread there is such a thing as being able to disagree with something without there being a freaking law written.

You used the words fascism and eugenics to describe abortion (even birth control), so unless you're being a troll (which I seriously, seriously hope is true in your case), people are going to assume you're in favor of controlling abortion. It would be like a pastor saying homosexuals are the scum of the earth and make god sick, and yet not care about them getting married.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

 

What i am doing is exercising my constitutional right of free speech do not care if people have problems with

Free speech goes both ways, which the people who use that lame defense you're using seem to forget.

reply to post by technical difficulties


Whatever assumptions is the mother of all screw ups and they would be wrong just like that post is.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Do you not understand that Hitler and Mussolini WERE BOTH SOCIALISTS?...

Yeah talk about ignorance abounding.

Mussolini invented fascism, it was his idea. Hitler based his Nazi party on Mussolini's fascism, as did Franco and others.

Mussolini and Hitler both supported Franco in his military coup against the Spanish republic government, and they apposed the socialist revolution.

European history pre-WWII was the socialists struggling against the rise of fascism.

Have you ever read any history?

Mussolini started his political career as a writer for the Italian socialist newspaper, Avanti, but he was expelled from the socialist party because he advocated Italy's military involvement in WWI. Following the war he created his own fascist party by exploiting fears of labour unrest and communism. This is why fascism is a highly militaristic system, a focus on authority of the state. That is in opposition to socialism that puts focus on the working class, not the state.

But the main thing is fascism supports private ownership and that is capitalism, not socialism as that is worker ownership. In fact the term fascism was replaced with 'planned capitalism' in 1930's America. Fascism was also called 'corporatism' in the 1920's, and 30's, in Europe.

Fascism arose in Europe after World War I when many people yearned for national unity and strong leadership. In Italy, Benito Mussolini used his charisma to establish a powerful fascist state.

Mussolini and the Rise of Fascism

Any system that gives a minority group ultimate power will be corrupt. When the workers own the means of production the majority will have the power over their own lives, and cannot be exploited by a minority group.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
A corporation that develops an industry that provides jobs that raise the standard of living of a community is a welcome and beneficial thing. A corporation that sponsors a softball team or a recreation center or donates a library or endows a university is interacting with the community in a positive way.

A corporation that contracts to do work that the State deems necessary for the improvement of any part of national activity or endeavour is interacting with the State in a healthy way.

A corporation that connives with elements of State government to prey on the citizenry only for personal profit is acting as part of a fascist combination of Corporate and State power.

Turning the State and Corporate combination into a war machine, the purpose of which is to prey on other countries to the neglect of the proper interests of State and Corporation and the people, is to emulate the fascism of Nazi Germany.

Whenever a corporation involves itself in the activities of government on any level of society, we should always ask ourselves, "What is the quid pro quo?"

What is the corporation getting out of this?

Corporations exist to make money. In a healthy symbiosis with the State, they can make money and help the general population to many benefits.

Sometimes they want a tax write off. Sometimes they want a contract and are willing to feed back into the community in a mutually beneficial way.

Sometimes they want a chance to loot the national treasury in exchange for the opportunity to sacrifice thousands of young citizens in meaningless, maladroit and destructive wars that murder hundreds of thousands of comparatively innocent foreigners.

Corporate activity can drift into fascism if close watch is not kept on the quid pro quo.

When corporations are paying off legislative watchdogs in order to loot the national treasury, you are half way to a fascist state.

From there it is a short hop to a totalitarian nightmare.

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Well said.

This regime,has all the markings of a Fascist one. Its a mixture of many ism's. Remember who Obamas heros are. That should tell ANYONE what they really need to know.

In OTHER news....

I commend the administration for vigorously enforcing the T&C. That must of been seconds before my last post was laser beamed.

But surely, do remember ATS - don't question neo96, he's clearly right. He most definitely did not write his original post to just stir people up, make people angry, make people disagree with each other, or try and ween his views into the minds of others.

He makes a valorous effort at Denying Ignorance, and we should ALL take a lesson from him.

/sarcasm.

Oh, and asides from the sarcasm, remember my awesome partners of exploring truth, even if me and you don't agree some times, do remember this. Don't flag threads that have absolutely zero content to them and are designed specifically to create a disruption in the intelligent discussion of ATS. It ruins the quality of ATS.

Post all you want, but as soon as you flag it it's there for everyone to see on the most important topics, and people flinging poo at each other over opinion doesn't get us far in developing a better understanding of the circumstances we live in.

Best regards.

reply to post by sonnny1


Don't be afraid of 'isms', just understand them.

It's easy to throw your hands up and lump all 'isms' as the same and ignore them, but then you end up with nothing.

Someone has to own and control the economy, either private entities, the government, or the people who do the actual work. They will always have a describing term ending in ism.

There are three basic economic systems, capitalism, socialism and nationalism (what people incorrectly call communism). Communism is not an economic system, the economic system of communism is socialism. The economic systems of fascism are nationalism and capitalism. Marxism supports nationalization, as a temporary measure leading to socialism, and finally communism. Anarchists were socialists who apposed nationalization.

I think your twisting Xploders meaning to say what you want it to mean.
Across all political forums on the net, there are many people of differing political persuasions, that agree there is not a right or left at the government level.

I know of many forum republicans that are for smaller government, constitution and less taxes.
I also know including myself, many Democrats that want smaller government and less taxes.

We are all different, but the "Republicans and Democrats" in the US government are for more taxes, more spending, bigger wars, and a bigger government, because they are all controlled by Mega National Corporations and Financial Institutions that depend on Big Government for that power and wealth.

Obama is a Wall Street man, surrounded by Wall Street Titans that depend on him to keep growing their power and wealth.

Meanwhile, Obama talks about taxing the rich, redistribution of wealth, following his script just like a good Hollywood actor, while padding his elite cronies wallets, and the idiots that fall for the divide and conquer tactics lap it up.

Just like, Obama's campaign of Hope and Change was all a Hollywood script where he was going to reign in corruption on Wall Street and the Government, he has done none of that.


It's a Wall Street Government


Now that Obama's usefulness is almost concluded, like a used up dictator, the same monsters on Wall Street have picked a new useful pawn to do their bidding. Another man that is also for Big Government and bought and paid for by Wall Street.

Mitt Romney Owned by morning radio talk show host


Romney for Big Government to help out his cronies



So, what is the difference between Obama the Democrat and Romney the Republican?
None, they are both bought and paid for by the same masters.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Yes you have. You have fallen into the "there is no left or right" that' like saying "there is no right or wrong". You might not understand where you have fallen, and btw the only partisanship I am in is WITH THE U.S. CONSTITUTION... That's my partisanship...

Once you fully believe in the "no left or right" you fully believe in the collective/socialism.

reply to post by neo96


First, thats just a bunch of blather. You don't have unlimited rights on a private forum. That being said, I'm not trying to silence you; I think you're either hugely delusional, or intentionally lying to push propaganda, but it doesn't matter as your means of expressing your message is so heavy handed and clumsy it's overshadowed your message. In other words, you've silenced yourself with your incompetence.

You seem... Well, you are definitely projecting passion, which could be a contrivance, but if it's real, that's commendable; it's good to give a #. But dont confuse being passionate with being right.

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Don't be afraid of 'isms', just understand them.

Not afraid of "isms".

Dont want to become brutally repressed,by one,or another. Unfortunatly,most "ism's" trackrecords,are geared to destroy,in one way or another.

reply to post by jacobe001


Here is the thing though if you want government reform, i.e. smaller government, historically that puts you on the left. The more left you go the less authority there is, the extreme being anarchism.

If you are a state interventionist, state involvement in the economy, that puts you on the right. It's extreme being fascism, total authority of the state.

Now capitalism cannot be left wing, because it relies on a strong state system in order to maintain control. Otherwise just like pre-WWII the workers would rise up and try to take control.

So that also means you cannot be left-wing if you support larger government, because that is state intervention.

People can call themselves what they want, it's the actions that count.

The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...

More personal attacks because they disagree with someone else says.

Attack and marginalize and they try..

Yawn.

There you have it folks the only opinions people are allowed to have is what a liberal says you can.

reply to post by jacobe001

I think your twisting Xploders meaning to say what you want it to mean.
Across all political forums on the net, there are many people of differing political persuasions, that agree there is not a right or left at the government level.

thank you
star,

this thread was designed to exploit people
the OP should feel ashamed.

the govenment weather left or right dem or repub ALWAYS increases in size and brutality.

the wealthy 1% corperations still pass THEIR legislation weather they pay the left or right.

this thread is designed to force individuals to argue,

xploder

reply to post by neo96


I'm certainly not attacking you personally. I have no idea of your motivations, or what you're like in real life.

I do know that many of your statements are wrong. Factually. And that your bias is extremely transparent.

Possibly you believe everything you're saying, possibly not; usually people who are this extreme and whose views about issues are so... Un-nuanced... are either very young/naive or they are fighting a war, and being intentionally... Dishonest.

I'm not gonna try, at this point, to guess which, but it's not really important, as you won't affect anyone, other than aggravating a few folks, because your approach is so unsophisticated.

That's a critique of your post, not a personal attack.