Who are the Fascists?

reply to post by XPLodER


And you seek to hide the truth about the real goal of leftwingers. I call you out. You seek to try to make people believe "the collective" is what only matters, hence you try to claim there is no "right and no left" that "we all have the same dreams, and the same hopes"... This is wrong, we all don't have the same dreams and hopes. We all have different ideas on what sort of country we want to live in.

Meanwhile people like me accept and understand that WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT, you are embracing an idea that would try to make us belief "there are no differences, we are all exactly the same hence what only matters is the collective."

Well sir, you are wrong. If you are an American and you ever read the Contitution you would know that even despite all their differences the founding fathers agreed that the best form of government they agreed was for ALL Americans, including future generations was a "rightwing government", a REPUBLICAN government.

Today's Republican party for the most part, and mostly those in power, are not followers of the Constitution, and are not real Repbublicans.

U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4


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Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government



The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

www.usconstitution.net...

Do note that it says, the United States shall GUARANTEE TO EVERY STATE IN THIS UNION A REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT...

The problem is that MANY Americans have been indoctrinated and brainwashed into hating the word REPUBLICAN, and what it entails. This has been done so the Constitution, and everything written within it can be bashed and banned by leftwingers in power...

YOU sir are the one who has fallen for the lies and deception from the SOCIALIST GLOBAL ELITES...

reply to post by neo96


Oh look, more Obama hating.

Yippiee.

Fascism in America didn't just begin under this administration, it happened years ago, especially under the Reagan years...so please, let's cut the BS.

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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


you wrote,

And you seek to hide the truth about the real goal of leftwingers. I call you out. You seek to try to make people believe "the collective" is what only matters, hence you try to claim there is no "right and no left" that "we all have the same dreams, and the same hopes"... This is wrong, we all don't have the same dreams and hopes. We all have different ideas on what sort of country we want to live in.

Meanwhile people like me accept and understand that WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT, you are embracing an idea that would try to make us belief "there are no differences, we are all exactly the same hence what only matters is the collective."

i NEVER said we were all the same,
i have in different threads stated we are all "equal" but have different ideas,

when i said there is no left and right i ment at the political level,
politicians are as bad as each other,
dems/repubs they are both screwing you!!!!!!!!

people like the op have tryed to devide people into smaller groups to blame each other,

THE ONLY COLLECTIVE IS "WE ARE ALL COLLECTIVLY GETTING SCREWED"!!!!!!!

i am saying by simply "pitting" people of different ideals against each other,
all you are doing is providing "cover" for those who damage the nation,
either left or right can be described as fashists (by definition of the meaning of the word)
IF THEY USE LEGISLATIVE POWER TO ENACT LAWS THAT BENIFIT THEMSELVES AT THE EXPENCE OF THE GREATER POPULATION to make a profit (by definition)

you do realise i am not an ISM?
that i am not any sort of political perswaysion you could name.

you cant see past partisanship, so you try to label me as you see fit,

fashism,
the 1% who use the money and power of a corperation to enact laws for the sole benifit of themselves,
while harming the liberty or wealth of a nation,
IS BY DEFINITION A FASHIST

to me i could care less what political party they buy weather left or right,
the damage is the same.

xploder

The Corporation (hulu)

Does it really matter which side proponents of fascism claim to be on? It only matters that we say this isn't acceptable even if it's one of or own. When a person becomes corrupted and no longer cares who is going to suffer for their profit they are no longer holding themselves to ANY ideology, they have become psychopathic.

Originally posted by Kali74
The Corporation (hulu)

Does it really matter which side proponents of fascism claim to be on? It only matters that we say this isn't acceptable even if it's one of or own. When a person becomes corrupted and no longer cares who is going to suffer for their profit they are no longer holding themselves to ANY ideology, they have become psychotic.

agreed X2

it matters not who does the damage,
the cost is the same.
left or right can be fashist,
my opinion is both sides of the isle are bought and paid for.

star my friend

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


Perhaps you are suggesting the classic of all classics ?

The one and only Hegelian Dialectic.

There is a relationship between Finance, Centralization, and World Hegemony. Until the outbreak of the First World War, money appeared to be a mere mechanism. But the arrangements made to finance the war reveal that the money system was in fact the vehicle of a POLICY, and that that policy was the CENTRALIZATION of power leading progressively to World Government. Prior to the outbreak of war, Great Britain was the CENTRE (but not the BEING) of world financial control; with the war, financial control was transferred to New York and from there used to dismantle the British Empire which, by reason of British traditions and the Anglo-Saxon character, had been the great barrier to World Dominion by those operating through the world financial system. The fall of the British Empire was a FINANCIAL accomplishment, not a military one. But the terms of 'peace' imposed on 'victorious' Britain are those which might have been expected following military DEFEAT.

But the Power which emerged into the open in this century had its birth long before that. It was incubated (but not conceived) in the Secret Societies of Europe, appeared briefly in the French Revolution, and spread to Britain in the form of Fabianism, and to America in the form of various Socialist societies. Following the first phase of the war, it openly took over Russia, and since has visibly spread as International Communism until it has taken over the greater part of the globe.

Current history, which looks episodic, is in fact the culminating stages of a very long-term policy moving internationally, but visible only in the long perspective of time.

Hegelian Dialectics and Conspiracy


True Liberalism is the only enemy

True Conservatism is the only weapon !!

#Occupy = ???

reply to post by neo96

Kleptocracy

Not Democracy, Not a Republic, Not Fascism, This is Rule by thieves.

This has been going on for decades. The balances of power have long been overcome, its a free for all.

Operations like COINTELPRO began 56 years ago so we can only imagine what is going on today.

The effects of a kleptocratic regime or government on a nation are typically adverse in regards to the faring of the state's economy, political affairs and civil rights. Kleptocracy in government often vitiates prospects of foreign investment and drastically weakens the domestic market and cross-border trade. As the kleptocracy normally embezzles money from its citizens by misusing funds derived from tax payments, or money laundering schemes, a kleptocratically structured political system tends to degrade nearly everyone's quality of life.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Fascism is a LEFTWING ideology.

Wow lol... No it is not. Yikes!

Originally posted by L00kingGlass
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

You sir, or mam are very wrong. Fascism is a LEFTWING ideology.

Wow lol... No it is not. Yikes!

yes it IS an extreme liberal left wing agenda !!

The super ultra maniacal psychopathic liberal agenda has kept unemployment high and public assistance programs in the forefront of public scrutiny.

The Conservative movement has managed to chip away at unemployment a few 10th's at a time, despite the left wing progressive attempts to totally bankrupt the United States.

Thank God some businesses are aware of the diabolical plot.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by L00kingGlass
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

You sir, or mam are very wrong. Fascism is a LEFTWING ideology.

Wow lol... No it is not. Yikes!

yes it IS an extreme liberal left wing agenda !!

Fascism is far right wing/authoritarianism. The left wing equivalent is communism/authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism is the key.

Edit: I agree that there's an agenda, however calling fascism extreme left wing is absurd and misinformed.

Someone posted this earlier, good example:

reply to post by intrepid

You can vote but does that matter in the Grand Scheme of THEIRS?

This has been my point of view for awhile now. Voting is a delusion, offered by the elite with the purpose of preserving that delusion that the American public live in a republic and democratic state, capable of affecting change.

What other avenues are there?

Absolutely nothing.

reply to post by L00kingGlass


Hey, that is an awesome chart! Thanks for posting and clarify. You can spend a lifetime talking about concepts like communism and fascism, and still not understand them.

The super ultra maniacal psychopathic liberal agenda has kept unemployment high and public assistance programs in the forefront of public scrutiny. The Conservative movement has managed to chip away at unemployment a few 10th's at a time, despite the left wing progressive attempts to totally bankrupt the United States.

Here's an example. Perceptions are based and fingers are pointed when the concept is not ultimately understood. It becomes a religion based on misconceptions. What people fail to see, just like everything else in life, extremes in either direction are bad. Democrats want to give everyone else's money away, while Republicans want the money to remain in the hands of the few. Take your pic; they're both contributing to the downfall of this country, like it or not. To blame one group is just stupid and foolish. We didn't get where we are because of one philosophy or mind set. It took a lot of work to get where we are today. Think about it, that takes a lot of cooperation.

reply to post by XPLodER


Yes you have. You have fallen into the "there is no left or right" that' like saying "there is no right or wrong". You might not understand where you have fallen, and btw the only partisanship I am in is WITH THE U.S. CONSTITUTION... That's my partisanship...

If you believe that we all have different ideas, then you shouldn't be accepting this claim that "there is no rigth or left"... YES THERE IS...

Look at the Occupy movement, they are one of the movements claiming "there is no right or left, we are all in it" yet they are leftwing and want to impose leftwing ideas.

You have to stand your ground and fight for what you believe.

All these claims about "no left or right" is how you fall into the collective, whether you realize it or not, or whether you want it or not.

Once you fully believe in the "no left or right" you fully believe in the collective/socialism.

Originally posted by L00kingGlass

Wow lol... No it is not. Yikes!

edit on 22-4-2012 by L00kingGlass because: (no reason given)

For crying out loud, didn't you see the FACTS I posted about FASCISTS like Hitler and Mussolini?... they were both LEFTWING sorry to say. I know if you are a leftwing it is hard to swallow but that is the truth...

Otherwise POST FACTS that they were not leftwing... You laughing is not going to make them rightwing... POST FACTS and not BS statements...

reply to post by L00kingGlass


That friggen program WAS MADE BY A MAN WITH LEFTWING IDEAS...

Do you not understand that Hitler and Mussolini WERE BOTH SOCIALISTS?... How can they be rightwing if they had SOCIALIST ideas?...

Anyone can make a program that if certain question is answered this way then it is bad, or that other way it is good... Anyone can set up a program to say WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO SAY...

communism and socialism are authoritarian, despite the cries that they are not from the new members who have never experienced socialism/communism.

I was born, lived and experienced socialism/communism in Cuba, and EVERYTHING leftwingers are saying today are the same lies, and the same deception they have used in the past to lure in unsupecting and ignorant people.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by L00kingGlass

 

Do you not understand that Hitler and Mussolini WERE BOTH SOCIALISTS?... How can they be rightwing if they had SOCIALIST ideas?...

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Considering Hitler actively hunted and killed socialists in Germany, I think you are confused. If he was a socialists why did he hate socialists so much?

Makes no sense, but then again you never do.

Originally posted by Cosmic911

Hey, that is an awesome chart! Thanks for posting and clarify. You can spend a lifetime talking about concepts like communism and fascism, and still not understand them.

Really?... shall we look at some of the quotes made by for example Mussolini and see whether or not he was a socialist?...

"If the bourgeoisie think they will find lightning conductors in us they are the more deceived; we must start work at once .... We want to accustom the working class to real and effectual leadership".

"Therefore I desire that this assembly shall accept the revindication of national trades unionism"

"Laissez faire (free market) is out of date"

"Fascism repudiates the conception of "economic" happiness"


And Mussolini's "Fascist Manifesto" of 1919 (full translation by Vox Day here) includes in Fascist policy such socialist gems as (I quote):

* The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
* A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.
* The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.
* The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.
* A minimum wage.
* The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions

jonjayray.tripod.com...

He wasn't a leftwinger huh?...

reply to post by neo96


The definition you obtained for Fascism is a false one, though not entirely wrong. Fascism is when governmental policy is determined by corporate interests. Nothing more.