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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by MrXYZ
I present to you... your avatar.
Originally posted by Starchild23
Really?
The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to the 10,123rd power. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this possibility.
No...just like "starving" isn't the same as "not hungry" on the flip side
The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to the 10,123rd power. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this possibility.
That's not objective evidence against it. We dont' even know how it all started in the first place. It's a hypothesis
And scientists aren't saying it evolved "by chance"...that's just something creationist websites repeat over and over again. I guess that's where you got your quotes from
No mutation that increases genetic information has ever been discovered.
What do they consider "new information"? And how does it relate to DNA? DNA actually fully backs up the theory of evolution as we can now trace ancestors much more accurately...
Einstein didn't believe in a personal god...and all the others lived in times where not believing or openly saying so would get you tortured...read up on Galilei.
Originally posted by paradox
Originally posted by Starchild23
Really?
The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to the 10,123rd power. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this possibility.
Can you please show me a published scholarly paper where Penrose stated this?
Hopefully you don't have too much trouble......
Thanks in advance!
Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by paradox
Why don't you do your own work, if you're so interested?
All you need to do is copy and paste.
Don't ask me to be your personal secretary. I believe in finding the truth under your own steam.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by paradox
Originally posted by Starchild23
Really?
The calculations of British mathematician Roger Penrose show that the probability of universe conducive to life occurring by chance is in 10 to the 10,123rd power. The phrase "extremely unlikely" is inadequate to describe this possibility.
Can you please show me a published scholarly paper where Penrose stated this?
Hopefully you don't have too much trouble......
Thanks in advance!
He stated it because scientists aren't even claiming it happened because of "chance". It was a thought experiment.
Little fun fact: Penrose was a convinced atheist
Penrose does not hold to any religious doctrine,[24] and refers to himself as an atheist.[25] In the film A Brief History of Time, he said, "I think I would say that the universe has a purpose, it's not somehow just there by chance ... some people, I think, take the view that the universe is just there and it runs along–it's a bit like it just sort of computes, and we happen somehow by accident to find ourselves in this thing. But I don't think that's a very fruitful or helpful way of looking at the universe, I think that there is something much deeper about it."
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.
Originally posted by MaMaa
Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by WatchRider
it's all in the eye of the beholder...
Atheist shouldn't even be participating in this section, they don't believe in Gollum or Evil ones correct?
or do they and is it they just have doubt... possibly fear?
as a matter of fact I can smell it!
edit on 22-4-2012 by SisyphusRide because: (no reason given)
This section is conspiracies in religion isn't it? Are you saying that this particular board is off limits to anyone unless you believe in religion? LMAO There are no rules that say you have to be religious, christian or believe in some sort of god in order to post on this forum.
Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by paradox
This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 1010123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed.
Taken directly from his book:
Amazon
Originally posted by Starchild23
That's from Wikipedia. "the universe has a purpose" "not somehow just there by chance"...
These sound like the words of someone who is undecided...definitely not an atheist.
50 cents for a new game.
Originally posted by Tearman
Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by WatchRider
it's all in the eye of the beholder...
Atheist shouldn't even be participating in this section, they don't believe in Gollum or Evil ones correct?
or do they and is it they just have doubt... possibly fear?
as a matter of fact I can smell it!
edit on 22-4-2012 by SisyphusRide because: (no reason given)
Reckless thinking leads to brash decision-making. We don't want members of society making decisions for stupid reasons--especially if they are in a position of power. I think that's the main reason atheists participate in discussions on religion.
Yes we have doubt. As any rational person should doubt any belief they hold. Here's a little argument that should inject you with a healthy dose of doubt: Even if god himself came down to you and revealed his existence, there would be no way for you to tell whether it was a real god or just something else that has the capacity to trick humans into believing it is a god. Surely if we are to entertain the notion that gods exist, we can just as easily entertain the notion that there are some kind of supernatural tricksters that could convince us that they gods, even though they aren't. The reason religion requires faith, is because you just kind of have to take their word for it. They could never actually prove that they are gods as you could never tell the difference between the real thing, and some kind of trick.
Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by paradox
Yes, and see where he contradicts himself on Wikipedia? That has a citation as well.
Again...50 cents for a new game.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by MrXYZ
I present to you... your avatar.
It's called "sarcasm"
One of the reasons I have my avatar is because of silly threads like this one