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posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Wow I live about a half hour away from that building. I haven't heard anything but I am not going to Chicago during that time that's for sure.




posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1
The example that you supplied proves me correct (landlord either does something or fails to do something that he has a legal duty to provide ). The lessor is failing to provide the tenants, egress and ingress. Again, please provide a Tort Case.

The landlord has NOT failed to provide access into the building, they have LIMITED access. There is a big difference here, and again the protest is NOT the landlords doing, so its NOT his responsibility.

As I edited in above, if the landlord did NOTHING then he would actually be legally liable:


Landlord Liabilites
The traditional rule of landlord liability is that a landlord will be held liable for any activity on his property if the lessor at the time of the lease consented to such activity or knew that it would be carried on, and the lessor knew or had reason to know that it would unavoidably involve such an unreasonable risk, or that special precautions necessary to safety would not be taken.

The landlord knows about this event in advance, so he has a “duty of care” to enact security to limit damages to his renters property. If he didn't do this, then he would be negligent of showing “due care”.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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They should send up some Miami Police.
Our guys handled our summit just fine.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by grey580
They should send up some Miami Police.
Our guys handled our summit just fine.


yeah,that was fun!




posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by Violater1
 


So what's the outrage?

The building owners are giving their tenets a heads up that the expected massive protest may trap them in their building.

Seems like they have their residents interests in mind.


Really? You don't have any problem with "being instructed to stay inside"?

That sounds mighty close to "being prevented from leaving" to me.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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There is no way I would leave. I get a letter there going to be riots right outside my home's door, IM NOT GOING ANYWHERE. So people can kick down my door and steal whatever they want...hell nah they get pumped full of lead if they try.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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haha now that is an idea! I live in a college town and a guy actually did that...set up a hotdog stand for when all the drunk college kids come pouring out ....but I think they stole his cart.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Violater1
I'm not going to argue your irrelevant definitions


How are his definitions irrelevant, when he's possibly discussing the most important legal aspects as far as the landlord is concerned?

I think Violator1 took two people's quotes and ran with them, and isn't going to admit that this isn't a big deal.

I also don't think he, nor others that see something wrong, have seen the type of protests these summits garner. And on top of the well-intentioned protestors are the malicious who will use the cover of a mob to start getting things rowdy, including breaking into your building to steal and vandalize.

Landlord sees a potential for chaos, landlord takes preventative measures which include informing tenants of the coming issue, hiring of officers, and locking down certain parts of the building to ensure no unauthorized bodies breach the building DURING A RIOT OUTSIDE THE DOORS. A RIOT. RIOT

He also has plans and have notified tenants of plans, should the need arise to completely lock down the building. He has given (going by date of article) one month notice to his tenants, which includes the entire gameplan and what may or may not happen.

How is the landlord being anything BUT responsible?



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by Violater1
 


So what's the outrage?

The building owners are giving their tenets a heads up that the expected massive protest may trap them in their building.

Seems like they have their residents interests in mind.


Really? You don't have any problem with "being instructed to stay inside"?

That sounds mighty close to "being prevented from leaving" to me.


It is being instructed to stay inside, and closing or locking down the amenities that they paid for.
But then, if you feel that it's OK to pay more taxes, to have your Constitutional rights striped away, then being told to "stay inside" must be very trivial.
edit on 22-4-2012 by Violater1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1
It is being instructed to stay inside, and closing or locking down the amenities that they paid for.
But then, if you feel that it's OK to pay more taxes, to have your Constitutional rights striped away, then being told to "stay inside" must be very trivial.

Have you read the notice that you attached?
Nothing you're saying here is written in it. It doesn't say that people will be prevented in/egress, it says that access will be limited and that ID must be shown to gain entry. How you're going from that to “instructed to stay inside”, I have no idea.

edit on 4/22/2012 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Here are the pertinent parts of the document that was distributed:


We are also strongly recommending that you do not have any guests over during this time including dog walkers and cleaning companies. Access to the area and building will be VERY LIMITED.

There will be two armed off duty police officers in the building to help ensure everyone's safety.

The revolving door will be locked on Friday morning. Key FOBs will be required to enter the building and all residents will be required to show identification to these officers when entering the building. Please have a photo ID readily available to access the building.

Th rear exit into the ally will be restricted to emergency egress only. Residents will be required to enter the building from State Street or the garage.

There will be absolutely no deliveries or moves permitted between Friday, May 18th and Monday, May 21st.

There will be NUMEROUS street closures around the building, which will inhibit the entrance and exit of the building from the garage.

In the event of a riot or the potential of one near the building, all access doors will be locked including the garage door. For everyone's safety we will be instructing anyone in the building to stay in his or her unit.

The park will be closed and locked between Friday morning May 18th and Monday evening, May 21st.

The Rooftop Terrace, Theater Room, and Hospitality Suite will be closed Friday morning through Monday evening.

Please show me where it says that people will be required to stay in the building other then in the case of a riot?

In the case of a riot, you wouldn't want to be exiting the building anyway, and you certainly don't want the rioters coming into your building.

Closing amenities is allowed at any time at the discretion of the management in any rental facility. If that were not the case, then how would they clean or repair them. I believe that the “park” they are talking about is a public park that the protest is going to be passing by, its not a part of the apartment, and is being closed by the city. I am sure that the city is closing it because they don't want another park camp situation developing.
edit on 4/22/2012 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1
to have your Constitutional rights striped away


What?! This is a civil matter between the tenants and landlord, and landlord is taking necessary precautions to ensure the integrity of the building and the safety of its occupants.

The building does not give or take constitutional rights. No one has given anyone an ultimatum, nor (I doubt) any breach of agreement has been made between the landlord and tenants.




[Tenants] ...are being warned that they should move out for the weekend or risk being trapped inside by rioters.


They are being warned, and the risk of being trapped is by rioters, not by the landlord. Meaning that there's the potential for the entrances to be blocked by rioters.




we are STRONGLY recommending that all residents find places to stay


Strongly recommending, not instructing, or making them.




In the event of a riot or the potential of one near the building, all access doors will be locked including the garage door


Only in the event or potential of a riot, near the building, will doors be locked. Only when the SHTF. Only when it is most needed. To protect from malicious outsiders.




"I can't just leave my garage whenever I want. They'll be holding us hostage in here," said resident Sebrina Krielinger.


It's the ignorant and naive mentality above that permits fear mongering.

Blackhawks Circle Low Through Chicago Skies as Secret Service Releases Security Details

500 troopers may help handle NATO protesters

NATO, G8 In Chicago: Adbusters Puts Out Call For 50,000 To Protest Summit

Do you really think that these protests are taken lightly out of foolishness?

Google G8 and G20 summit protests. The pictures will explain why a landlord might take precautions in order to protect their building.

And here's the letter.

At no point anywhere does it say, with absolute certainty, that the building will be locked down.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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The letter says rioters will trap them, it would be more accurate to say riot police will trap them, and gas them, and sound cannon, innocent college students were arrested simply for going to college near the g20.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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Why must some people find something to complain about in everything???

This landlord/association is being responsible and actually informing the residents and taking extra precautions in case things get out of hand.

You know...if they did nothing you would be complaining about them not being responsible towards their residents.

I guess some people are just negative and only see the negative in everything in life.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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collateral damage will happen just because there are protests/riots going on, not because there are riot police. the police wouldn't be needed if it was a fact that the protests won't get out of hand, but since they seem to get rowdy more often than not, you need them. these protests are the perfect cover for someone who just wants to go out and do bad things.

there are people waiting to break the first storefront _ people waiting for the first place to loot. people waiting for the first fire to start. waiting to beat someone to the ground. waiting to smear feces on walls. waiting to stab someone in the crowd. waiting to escalate the situation to unnecessary proportions overall. bad people exist. sometimes they wear riot gear, and sometimes they look like innocent protestors. no one really wins in these situations, as all parties involved tend to looks like jerks (to someone) by the end of the day.
edit on 22-4-2012 by Contag because: grammar police knocked on my door



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Jameela
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Can you pretend to protest with a Gucci bag in hand or while wearing a five thousand dollar suit?


Sure, why not?

There were 'Occupiers' with iPhones etc...does the "i" in that stand for 'irony'?



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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Can you explain which part of the Constitution you feel this relates to?

I'm just dying to know.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by Violater1
Perhaps not outrageous to you, but this is how some of the tenants feel. Please read the links.
From (again) www.myfoxchicago.com... 120420
"I can't just leave my garage whenever I want. They'll be holding us hostage in here," said resident Sebrina Krielinger.
"It's just pretty shocking to see and hear things are going to be scary in your own home," said resident Jeff Lunz


I think the problem is you think it's the landlords holding them hostage. The "they" are the protesters, not the landlords. Landlords are doing their due diligence, and going beyond by hiring police officers. The city should be providing that, landlords are going above and beyond.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Chicago May Be Evacuated ?!?



Link -

Milwaukee Red Cross Told To Prep For Chicago Evacuation
chicago.cbslocal.com...

WTF?!?





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