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reply posted on 21-4-2012 @ 04:46 PM by Wolfie0827
Originally posted by Aim64C
I think it is stretching the results of the study a tad.

Repeatedly reinforcing the idea you are looking for a specific object is, likely, going to reduce the impact of distractions to that task - which would be a possible explanation for why objects are found more rapidly.... which is an event I'm not so sure is greatly impacted by one's intelligence.

On the other hand - when I "talk to myself" - I will often attempt to carry on a discussion as though others are present, and attempt to think in much more broad terms than my own typical though process. That has the potential to "make someone smarter" in the sense that it might help them to regularly consider more factors when analyzing a situation than others (pick up on details that others simply can't process all at one time).

Which is why I'm damn near magical at troubleshooting systems - I take the function of nearly every component in it and run them against the gripe both individually and as a sub-group. Though whether or not talking to myself as though speaking to any random individual (or group of individuals) in my memories reinforces this capability, or not, would be an interesting subject of research.


I know what you mean about system troubleshooting, this type of viewing the system almost makes it intuitive seeming (That's how some describe my abilities, Intuitive). And your right about the limit of this study. If your equate the finding an object quicker with being smarter, then the points made are valid, But does the condition last or is it transitory? If transitory, then how long does it continue to enhance intelligence?

Those are just a few points I found while reading it. But with one study in this vein it opens the door to more and better, scientists in general learn or expand on other studies and I for one am hoping some Grad Student will see this and think of the problems we have and design a new test that takes the problems found and corrects for them.

While my first post after the original wasn't serious, this is the type of discussion I was hoping for, part of the reason I didn't point out the faults I found with the study in the original post, because I wanted others to think on it and not take my word for it. thank you for adding a few good points to the discussion.


reply posted on 21-4-2012 @ 05:11 PM by cranspace
reply to post by ANOK





I automatically argue with myself over issues, and I always win, so it's all good lol


You should be worried if you did not win-you know voices in your head and all that



I hold conversations with myself all the time, I thought all people did


I don't
What kind of conversations maybe something along the lines of
Wheres the milk...
Oh you forgot it at the supermarket

Though i can see the merit for it being a learning tool if you were talking to yourself whilst dismantling an object wanted to say toaster

Cran



reply posted on 21-4-2012 @ 06:54 PM by Aim64C
reply to post by HangTheTraitors



As I said before, I think the study is taken a little out of context. Talking to one's self can help reinforce the point at hand. It helps preserve task direction and stave off confusion. It's partly why, in squad based communication, there is a lot of redundancy and pointing out of the obvious. Not only is it to keep the squad on-task and moving through a confusing and stressful environment - it is also to keep one's own self on track and 'in the game.'

To that end, I think it really depends upon what you are talking to yourself about, and what you intend to gain from doing so. In religious contexts - as with all individuals - people tend to be very simplistic in their approach and expectations. Despite scripture and experience to the contrary - people will pray as though they are sitting on Santa's lap in the hopes that God will humor their laundry list of wants... because they believe he exists (and that it somehow allows them to call in support from a causality-manipulating entity).

A wise person would pray for understanding, endurance, self-improvement, and integrity. Whether God gets involved in your prayer, or not - it helps to reinforce your goals and open your mind to finding the 'answers between the lines' (that you may or may not interpret as God's doing). It can help you to step back from an inherently self-centered perspective to see the bigger picture.

Example - I lost both of my parents at a fairly young age. I will never know what it is like to invite my parents over for Christmas, to allow my children to be spoiled by them, etc. I can only imagine what it would be like to call Mom and ask her how she got some meal to taste the way she did. It was on one day, for whatever reason, I was thinking on that point... and I fixated on the word "imagine." ... It's true. I can only imagine. Which means that anything I think I am missing out on is all in my imagination; getting upset over it or depressed is only a distraction from the opportunities I do have.

Was I praying, necessarily? No. But, there again, I carry on conversations with my concept of God on an hourly basis. I'm not really one for formalities, and if the being responsible for creating me has a problem with it... said being can only blame itself. Which is why I don't think God gives two #s about formalities and the structure of religious institutions; probably finds the entire ordeal comical, if God could be said to have a singular intelligence resembling a human's.

In either case, I do take exception to your post. I can, basically, guarantee you that I'm rated as a vastly superior intelligence to your own via most (if not all) available metrics. I'm not exactly what you'd call "religious" - but I feel your comment is intentionally designed to induce collateral damage. I don't hold contempt for people simply because of their intelligence... but I do develop quite the pointed tone when dealing with people who justify their sense of intelligence too heavily on the shortcomings of others.

There's a difference between confident pride taken to boasting versus justifying one's own thoughts based on the errors of others.

reply to post by Wolfie0827



thank you for adding a few good points to the discussion.


You're welcome.
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