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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Good morning.
There are at least 20 threads going on creation, God, religion and the Illuminati. Most of them are still very active, and filled with hatred against religion, and denyance at the thought of a secret society controlling our media and leading us to blindness and brain-washing.
This thread is dedicated to both religious and scientific members that are inclined to research and ponder. Please keep insults, hate of the other group, and fierce quarreling out of this thread. Here, I want civilized answers and opinions. I do not care about what are your beliefs, that you are Mason, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, New Age, ufologist or scientist, please consider the other members with the same respect that you want for yourself. We are here to exchange and ponder on multiples and diverse opinions, and not to quarrel over which ones are right. Only through years of research we can know. And if you truly wish to insult me or another member, send an U2U instead of discourage to-be members of ATS of being in a site where all you see is members getting into a heated debate and finishing by bring down with harsh words the other members.
The following thread (awsedrftgyhujikolp.weebly.com...) does not try to take side. It is lengthy, but there is no way I can summarize it without sacrificing understanding for members less used to those subjects. I have at least 10 references and more for almost everything you will read, results of years of researches. I am an atheist and a researcher, and I never took side in any philosophy in order to keep my objectivity.
This thread is linked to the previous one that I made, "Mythology & Legends: True or False?", for it described the Draco/Vegan war that I talked in the mythology thread.
This is what seem to have happened, to happen, and might happen in our world. It seems to me to be the most probable of the situations, but it is only my opinion and I will welcome with joy other CIVILIZED opinions to consider. I want the same polite and civilized comments that you gave me in the "mythology" thread; it is much more pleasant to discuss that way. As said the ATS Super-Moderator AshleyD in a much heated and now inactive thread:


''please reflect on our desire for civil discussion that does not attack fellow members.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING:
1). Post Unto Others As You Would Have Them Post Unto You. Before submitting a post think how you would feel if such a post was directed at you.
2).IS IT GOOD FOR ATS? Is what I am about to submit a constructive attempt at discussion?''


Please respect that. Thank you for your attention.




posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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I'm a little confused, as to what specifics on the stated subjects you would like to address. You have 10 sources as sustenance for any stance in which we may oppose or agree with? Well I have 100! LOL!

anyways... The OP would make more sense if it addressed any specifics and wasn't so vague.

Should we address...

Philosophy of God
Existence of God
Role of God and Governance
Occultism and Crowley
Science vs Morality
Behavioral Economics - Cognitive Bias' - Government
Human Nature vs Social Structure
Freedom vs Free Will, hypocrisy - Vice vs Virtue, ruins of desire

It's one thing to spout off opinions, it's another to have them rooted. To even address the tree and the fruits that it may bear, the conversation should always address the rock and house in which they grew on or next to.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:22 AM
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Oh... I thought that the ''story'' was clear...

It's not one specific thing, its an explication on how the ufologists, the mythologies, and the Christians/Jews might all be right altogether on how our creation was made.
Then i explained how the Zionists/Reptilians used since those times the teachings of our creators, in order to twist them and at the end destroy them, so that we're left with no guidance but the ones that they wants us to have, so that we're completely under their control.
Does that make now more sense?



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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reply to post by starheart
 

Can you talk about the mythology part with me,somthing i relly dont know or understand.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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reply to post by LastProphet527
 


Gladly. What do you not understand in the mythology part?



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by starheart
reply to post by LastProphet527
 


Gladly. What do you not understand in the mythology part?


i will see you on that thred stareheart'



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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reply to post by starheart
 


Science nor religion control culture on a global scale.

It's energy.

Who controls it, controls capital. Controlling capital controls government, media outlets, and academia. All systems of influence need capital to operate.


Not really sexy to romanticize facts because you can't. Sorry for the mundane truth, but truth frees the mind.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
reply to post by starheart
 


Science nor religion control culture on a global scale.

It's energy.

Who controls it, controls capital. Controlling capital controls government, media outlets, and academia. All systems of influence need capital to operate.


Not really sexy to romanticize facts because you can't. Sorry for the mundane truth, but truth frees the mind.



I must confess that i have no idea of what you're talking about. If you mean that it is oil or electricity that controls the government and the population, who is behind these energies? The government. And energies are not enoughly population-controlling. We can live without oil or electricity; but we can't live without an explanation of our environment. This is what makes the difference between animals and humanity.
I hope it make senses
, i don't know how to explain otherwise.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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reply to post by starheart
 


You have two parts to your open.

One deals with soliciting objectivity, an open mind, despite the reader's value system.

My response is that you need to solicit a universal pay value. The pay value speaking to how people are programmed no matter who or what they believe.

We live in the age of oil and its capital control mechanisms, its permission system to access capital. A pay value system. You have to tailor your writing style to that system, or rather use composition where it is not threatening to the system. Most everyone has been programed to react defensively when the system is threatened. There are universals, you just have to look for them and speak to them. Then no matter what you have to say will be reacted to in a defensive manner. Most of what you wrote is about such a concern.


Don't ever believe people are programmed, construct their value system, based upon religion or science. Both institutions are programed by money.

Now I will address your electric universe theory as it relates to the idea of a multiverse system.

I think you're onto something.
Probably I think so is for the fact that it doesn't threaten my pay values, belief windows, in the least, but it may threaten others. That is my pocketbook. Everyone's values operates on what threatens or enhances their pocket book from the most idealistic college professor to the most religiously minded preacher or loyal fraternal brother or sister.

Because folks have to eat.

Understand that and you can have an objective conversation with anyone as you will have the knowledge of how to construct your composition without being threatening to anyone's belief windows. That's how you open up minds, and those minds will listen to what you have to say without apprehension nor a yearning to argue.


I want to add something here:

Even in academia, theory or school of thought may have egos attached, and for every ego in academia there are funds attached.


Where's the pay in this> awsedrftgyhujikolp.weebly.com... ?

And where might the threats of funding to other competing ideas lay within it?
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


I read your whole link now. I see it's a creative writing piece. Sorry I thought you were hawking an actual theory until I started reading further.


It's the same sort of stuff LastProphet527 has been posting for years on the internet.


Wish you the best. Hope you can turn it into a novel one day.

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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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For those who are not familiar with the electric universe theory www.electricuniverse.info...


For those who are not familiar with the idea of multiverses en.wikipedia.org...


The OP obviously combined them into a creative writing piece found in the link provided in the OP. THIS> awsedrftgyhujikolp.weebly.com...


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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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I'm not sure if ''creative writing'' means what i think it is, but i did not posted a novel, or an imagination work; it's a true opinion of mine. Can't you recognize an opinion when you read one?



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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in the body of copy there is this sentence...


...It is also known that an angel statue was found on the moon, sculpted at the time of the
departure of the Atlanteans....



i never heard of a statue found on the moon and later dated to a time when the fable/myth of Atlantis is projected to have exited.
Which Apollo Mission found the Angel Statue, how big was it, i reckon it took the space of less interesting Lunar geological rocks that came back to Earth ?


kindly enlighten me...us
thank you



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by starheart
reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


I'm not sure if ''creative writing'' means what i think it is, but i did not posted a novel, or an imagination work; it's a true opinion of mine. Can't you recognize an opinion when you read one?


I thought it was an opinion piece in the beginning. You have it titled, "An opinion on our world" after all. Then I read further and changed my mind. I also thought it might be a mix of both theory and creative writing, "an imagination work" to make it all more entertaining.

As far as recognizing an opinion when I read one, it would be easier to recognize it as such if the street dialect was dropped. Yeah, just a word of advice.

You tie a lot together. I think that's neat. You have to make it more life universal though in order to sell what you have to say to potential readers. That is how do you sell it within the context of non threatening life universal themes. Sci-Fi channel does. History with their far out speculative works do. Ancient Aliens as a specific example does.

Capacitive example.

* Aliens are coming form outer space to bring us peace and prosperity on Earth through enlightening us with pure utopian socialistic ideals allowing autocrats to control our lives for the better.

* Aliens are coming from outer space to bring us peace and prosperity on Earth through enlightening us with pure utopian free market ideas allowing plutocrats to control our lives for the better.

* Aliens are coming form outer space to bring us peace and prosperity on Earth through enlightening us with pure thoughts.

The third one is written within the context of non threatening life universal themes. In other words people will open up to what you have to say on a popular level.

What you have written in the link sounds like some sort of revelation manifesto making demands on the readers to read what you have to say with an objective open mind. You can't do that. You have to tailor what you say to popular universal values and attitudes of the 21st century, or people wont listen to what you have to say.

You have thought provoking stimulating good stuff, you just have to communicate it better to your audience in order to get the positive responses you seek.

PS

I'm trying to be constructive here. Please don't take offense to my two cents?

In short, "Don't preach, communicate your ideas with sugar and spice.
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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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This is threatening crap btw

"Then, the Rothschild tried to bring the world into a global
economy crisis with the WW1, but it didn't exactly happened that way; but they
were able to bring down the Romanovs, and placed one of their members, Lenin,
into power. They also gave the Protocols to Russia, for it was the safest place
to hide them."

I'm from Michigan. I know what culture those ideas come from. Western Pennsylvania, WV, Eastern Ohio; German American ideology.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio
in the body of copy there is this sentence...


...It is also known that an angel statue was found on the moon, sculpted at the time of the
departure of the Atlanteans....



i never heard of a statue found on the moon and later dated to a time when the fable/myth of Atlantis is projected to have exited.
Which Apollo Mission found the Angel Statue, how big was it, i reckon it took the space of less interesting Lunar geological rocks that came back to Earth ?


kindly enlighten me...us
thank you


The statue was found in the Apollo 11 mission. The statue was in a rock, !0 inches tall, and dated to 200 000 years old; the materials that the statue had been carved in was not found on the Earth, but came from the Moon.
The NASA only revealed it in 2006, i think. Just Google it.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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So, you are trying to say that i wrote the thread a little bit misunderstandingly, is that right? (saying that in a non-offended way, btw
)



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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reply to post by starheart
 


I'm saying if you tailor your opinion to be receptive to a broader audience it will receive more positive feedback and be recognized for the great work it is.

Right now it's worded toward more of a far right libertarian audience. That's only about one out of ten people in America. One out of a hundred if you include the entire English speaking world.

I'm sure you don't want to limit your audience.

Right now worded toward a value system that is somewhere between Bill Still & Patrick Carmack's "Money Masters" economic views and David Duke's politics.

I mean why mention the Rothschilds supposedly starting WW1?

Do you know where that idea originated? Within the Nazi Party.

Share your opinion within a universally accepted context.


There are no secret societies influencing the world based on anything, but, maintaining organization for maximum mutual benefit. Even chimps in any given troop understand this.

With that said, I would tailor your opinion to a mass audience. Doing so by removing the unnecessary "big turn off" clutter that does not add any more information to your main "connect the dots" opinion being expressed.

You have a great work there. It just needs to be cleaned up so a bigger audience can enjoy what you have to say.



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by starheart

Originally posted by St Udio
in the body of copy there is this sentence...


...It is also known that an angel statue was found on the moon, sculpted at the time of the
departure of the Atlanteans....



i never heard of a statue found on the moon and later dated to a time when the fable/myth of Atlantis is projected to have exited.
Which Apollo Mission found the Angel Statue, how big was it, i reckon it took the space of less interesting Lunar geological rocks that came back to Earth ?


kindly enlighten me...us
thank you


The statue was found in the Apollo 11 mission. The statue was in a rock, !0 inches tall, and dated to 200 000 years old; the materials that the statue had been carved in was not found on the Earth, but came from the Moon.
The NASA only revealed it in 2006, i think. Just Google it.

I would like to learn more about this, but since you brought it up, would you be so kind as to present it to us, to take a look at and evaluate. Sounds cool!



posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Google ''angel statue Nasa Moon'', it should bring it up.
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