Originally posted by imd12c4funn
Would the fact that no Senators would endorse the multitude of challenges to the assignments of Florida's 25 electorial votes by the Congressional Black Caucus (2000 election) , as Al Gore Presided over the Certification banging his gavel in objection, be accepted as true, and if so, since he is a fellow member of skull and bones with Bush, and didn't endorse any challenge to the challenges which also happened to be from a state that was governed by Bush's brother, and the probable cause of his "defeat", be considered at least in the top 12 conspiracies?

Originally posted by imd12c4funn
Would the fact that no Senators would endorse the multitude of challenges to the assignments of Florida's 25 electoral votes by the Congressional Black Caucus (2000 election) , as Al Gore Presided over the Certification banging his gavel in objection, be accepted as true, and if so, since he is a fellow member of skull and bones with Bush, and didn't endorse any challenge to the challenges which also happened to be from a state that was governed by Bush's brother, and the probable cause of his "defeat", be considered at least in the top 12 conspiracies?

This is what I think to be one of the worst. Thank Goddess there are others out there with out their head in the sand. This government is the single most threat to freedom, life and human dignity and as bad as the tyrants who rape rob and pillage their ppl. We are lambs being lead to slaughter! No wonder every 3rd world nation wants to irridicate us. I can not blame them in the least. I say Viva Revolution! Thus we forget that IS one of our rights which the government wipes up our spilt blood with.... The Bill of Rights!

You have already seen 1-7. Here are 9 to 13 on the list for you to look at now. (14-17 could come later) Ask yourself what else your government is hiding from you.

9) Does it take a "resolution" or an "act" of Congress to declare war? Have the U.S. government lawfully declared a war since WW2?

Resolution (Black’s Law) – A formal expression of the opinion or will of an official body or a public assembly, adopted by vote: as a legislative resolution. Such may be either a simple, joint or concurrent resolution. The term is usually employed to denote the adoption of a motion, the subject matter of which would NOT PROPERLY CONSITUTE A STATUTE, SUCH AS A MERE EXPRESSION OF OPINION: AN ALTERATION OF THE RULES: A VOTE OF THANKS OR OF CENSURE, ETC. Such is NOT LAW, BUT MERELY A FORM IN WHICH A LEGISLATIVE BODY EXPRESSES AN OPINION. Baker v. City of Milwaukee, 271 Or. 500,533 P.2d 772,775.


The Chief distinction between a “resolution” and a “law” is that the former is used whenever the legislative body passing it wishes merely to express an OPINION as to some given matter or thing and is only to have a temporary effect on such particular thing, while by a “law” it is intended to permanently direct and control matters applying to persons or things in general.

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Joint Resolution – A resolution adopted by both houses of congress or a legislature. When such a resolution has been approved by the president or passed with his approval., it has the “EFFECT” of a law ( NO CASE LAW – Also, the term “effect” is the key word here. In other words, it isn’t law, but we will treat it as such anyway. Just one problem here. The Constitution demands an “act” of Congress!) See the law dictionary desciption that stated below:

An “act” of Congress “is necessary” to the commencement of a foreign war and is in itself a “declaration” and fixes the date of the war. Rosenau v. Idaho Mut. Ben. Ass’n, 65 Idaho 408, 145 P.2d 227,230. See Article. 1, Sec. 8, cl., 11, U.S.Const.

10) If there is suppose to be a separation of Church and State, why does the government allow a pagan phallic symbol (the Washington Monument) to stand in the middle of Washington, DC? Isn't that federal property? Isn't that kind of like placing a huge cross in DC to represent John Quincy Adams?

11) Since Involuntary servitude is forbidden by the Constitution, isn't a mandatory draft unconstitutional? There was information about this subject on www.hourofthetime.com , but you can find it in other places as well. Seek and you shall find it.


12) If the Constitution says nothing but Gold and Silver coin is to be used in payment of debts, isn't the Federal Reserve Note unlawful money?

13) Is a "trial by jury" the same as a "jury trial"?

Nope, the former puts all the major decisions in the hands of the jury and out of the hands of the judge and prosecutors. The judge is more of a referee. The latter allows the judge to take more of the controls. In this case, the judge is more than a referee. The jury is there, but it doesn't have as much authority in this case.

14) Can your President constitutionally suspend the Constitution for any reason? Do "Executive Orders" apply to the average citizen or are they for members of the Executive Branch?

No! There is NO provision in the Constitution allowing the President to suspend the Constitution for any reason. When the government tries to claim such authority, it is a sign that your government is becoming more tyrannical. As for Executive Orders, they are for the employees of the Executive branch only. If you don’t work for the Executive Branch, the President has NO AUTHORITY over and above what the Constitution give him to run your life. If he tries to take on powers not delegated to him by the Constitution, you are looking at a tyrant/traitor on the order of King George.

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I realize that historians don't believe that the US's entry into WW2 wasn't a planned event but come on! I doubt that there's many "thinking" Americans that buy that story. Our President was itching for a fight in Europe and used the Japanese to get into it. We choked the Japanese into a war and Germany fell in to the trap that the soon to be Allies laid for them. That has GOT to be one of the top 10!

I read somewhere that Et TU Brutus also means -you too my son-or bastard son -impling that one of the killers was Caesars own son .

Did anyone mention the Business Plot of 1933?

Taken from Wikipedia:

The Business Plot (also the Plot Against FDR and the White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933 wherein wealthy businessmen and corporations plotted a coup d’état to overthrow United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 1934, the Business Plot was publicly revealed by retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler testifying to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional Committee. [1] In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler's allegations of the existence of the plot,[2] but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten.

Great thread Jb1

Ill be keeping this in my favourites

Btw are you planning on doing another thread like this?

What about the old NWO Eugenics Conspiracy? Seeing how fema has built some where upward of 800 fully funtional concentration camps to be used "Just incase the pres declares marshal law." Awfully convienient that all this is happening along side the proliferation of air born TB and in the midst of a "war on terror" where for any reason at any time the pres could declare marshall law and the attorney general would have to have absolutely 0 reason to name you as an enemy of the state.

Personally I'd have to say a great deal of us ats'ers are already on Mr. Ashcrofts roundem up first list.

I would have to agree with many others, that the JFK scandal is in my opinion the biggest conspiracy ever. Not just because of his death, but marilyn monroe's death, the death of practically everyone in his family I. E. curse of the kennedy's, their ties to the mafia. There is too much revolved around the kennedy's. I think that family is one of the biggest mysteries.

I would like to also bring up the death of my hero, John Lennon.
Is it there not a strong possibilty that John Lennon as killed by a member of the C.I.A, or the brainwashed individual Mark David Chapman? John Lennon was near the top of the FBI's headlist due to his anti- vietnam stance, and it is said that officails were working desperately to get him out of the country...

i read the first couple of pages, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned:

i'd like to punctuate the admission of the JFK conspiracy to the list with the Bay of Pigs fiasco, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident... as they seamlessly flow one into another and add weight to the theory.

oh... and how about MLK? even the king family is convinced that james earl ray either did not act alone or was set up. they went so far as to provide him with a lawyer.


great thread btw.

well...these are all conspiracies that the main conspiracy (control of the planet) has allowed to go mainstream.

it's a little difficult to prove the big conspiracies that have taken place in recent history because they are still taking place and our msm is part of it.

the lowly reporters can deny all they want but there's a reason that their hierarchy won't allow some things to get out. maybe it's survival instinct on their part. people at the top of the corporate media ladder are probably some of the most morally corrupt, easiest controlled human beings on the face of the earth.

One could also add the incident in 1939 when members of the Nazi SS dressed up as Polish Army officers and staged an attack on a German radio station.

Nazi Germany was full of conspiracies. The Holocaust itself for example.

What about the Conspiracy to "classify" and thus keep secret information on the existence of Extra-Terrestrials and that they have visited Earth?

A short comment of conspiracies. They do exist but when, such as Pearl Harbor, you have a choice of causes either conspiracy or incompetence, choose incompetence every time.

Most historians generally agree that Van der Lubbe was involved in the Reichstag fire. The extent of the damage, however, has led to considerable debate over whether he acted alone. Considering the speed with which the fire engulfed the building, Van der Lubbe's reputation as a fool hungry for fame, and cryptic comments by leading Nazi officials, it is generally believed that the Nazi hierarchy was involved in order to reap political gain.

Pardon my ignorance...
So, we don't know for sure that the Nazis did start the fire at the Reichstag? (although there's no doubt that they benefited)

I mean, it's supposedly the prime example of a false-flag op, there has to be more evidence than the supposed Goering confession. (hearsay) I had always been under the impression that the evidence against the Nazi was solid- it appears it isn't at all. Is anyone familiar with the incident?

Was it a false-flag operation, or Allied propaganda?


[edit on 18/1/09 by ConspiracyNut23]

Interesting choices in the OP - I'd never think of going back to ancient Rome for conspiracy fodder.

I'd like to vote for MKULTRA and COINTELPRO as being very important and proven conspiracies, in that they were revealed to the public by government investigations so undeniably happened. Both show disgusting disregard for the victims by the perpetrators and for civil rights.