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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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I like this post a lot. I don't generally believe a lot of conspiracy theories, but I definitely would not say that they don't exist. In fact, I think it helps disprove some conspiracy theories. Most of these were known about pretty soon after they happened, yet all the modern ones claim that they are being kept perfectly secret. How could any government, especially now with better cameras, the internet, the ability to contact someone anywhere in the world, etc. keep something that big secret? Any way, thanks for the post!




posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 12:47 AM
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Your post is fabulous! But those conspiracies have nothing really to do with what is happening, & the reality of the situation we face now. I'm sorry, but it's late in the game, so I'm going to go right out and say:

9/11 :

1) The buildings would not fall like that even if jet fuel could've weakened the beams.
2) It was reported that building 7 fell BEFORE it actually happened on a certain news channel (forget which one), I think it was BBC, but PLEASE correct me on that.
3) NATO stood down, & would not shoot the planes down before they hit the buildings.
4) The gov had prior knowledge of the attack.
5) There was prior knowledge of the attacks, & we have firemen sayign there were bombs in the buildings, etc...
You know the rest.

I almost feel reluctant to say this, but I think it's important to make this clear, & if people will stop worrying about what people think, or share info despite that most people will automatically dismiss it because it's far out, we must understand that everything is far out; There are ZILLIONS of particles in the space of one pixel on your screen.... - That's pretty far out. The fact that the Universe is aware of itself via lifeforms that are made possible under certain conditions is the foundation of the logic behind the high probability that we are not alone, since life is a natural occurence. - It is therefore easy to see that the ancient descriptions of extraterrestrial interaction with our planet are more than plausible. - It is what happend, beyond a doubt. - They presented themselves as gods, & interbred with humanity. The people who were around during the various Pyramid buildings around the world by the reptilians (highly documented in abduction cases, etc) claim that their 'leaders' were Lizard men. - You can laugh, but it's not wize to do so unless you've done some research like reading David Icke's book the Biggest Secret. Anyways, what is happening now is all by design, & all these issues have been intentionally accumulated in order to caused a distraction , division & conquering , & world domination. - We are SO conditioned, Alex Jones is even not really affraid to talk of UFOs, but avoids it for credibility purposes not because it's not true.

UFOs, Aliens & the fact that cosmic reptilians are in FACT behind everything & are the root of the Monarchy & governments... Just looking at the familly tree, it seems imparative for this bloodline to be maintained.... It's HIGHLY suspicious that they have been interbreeding for thousands of years... They require the sacrifice of humans, & the Bohemian grove amongst other things that go on inside Skull & Bones is a no brainer connection to things like ancient paintings that depict a Reptilian eating human body parts while the native people sit around eating grains.

---> Main important reason why Alex Jones & everyone should really look seriously into the issue of UFOs is because I wouldn't be writing this if I was not certain that there is definitive proof that there are technologies that have been develloped by reverse engineering Alien space crafts that would prevent a massive global problem of food shortages, etc if they pretend there is no more Oil. - Solar panels would be great as well, but zero point energy is a physics, & a solid science & reality that should be applied! - If we could all have a box in our homes & cars that accesses the energy from space, we could save the human race from the inevitable destruction we face if we don't change cource ASAP!

---> Furthermore, if it (UFOs & free energy) were Disclosed on the news (As much as they did with Micheal Jackson) people would be less inclined to be decieved by a fake 'alien' invasion that would be staged by the shadowy government, & get us into a one world government. - It would be 1000 X more effective than 9/11.

There are tons of other important conspiracies than need to be known, such as man-made AIDS, Fluoride, Aspartame, Murcury in Vaccines, etc.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 01:03 AM
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Awesome post! I had no idea about Panama Canal. Fascinating stuff. Thanks for finally giving me dirt on TR. I've been wanting to pin something on him for a while.

I'd like to throw Shakespeare into this mix. That whole situation reeks of an overblown Elizabethan conspiracy.



posted on Jun, 18 2008 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by W35M4N
How could any government, especially now with better cameras, the internet, the ability to contact someone anywhere in the world, etc. keep something that big secret?


Simple: It's hidden in plain view, plus most people dont have to time nor inclination to do anything except watch TV or go on mainstream websites, & many people are not even aware of alternative media sources like infowars.com or coasttocoastam.com or this site, & when one is new to conspiracy issues, it's hard to know where to look first. - There are also many misconceptions, namely the assumption that conspiracies are all merely thereories. - There are theories, but there are ACTUAL conspiracies. Some people think we didn't even land on the Moon, but that is a falacy caused by the fact that they had to re-create most of the footage of the landing in a Hollywood studio because of all the anomalies, because they were not alone...

If you keep the people dumbed down with food additives, keep their time occupied with Work in order to obtain money which is fueled by the conditioning of society to be materialistic, & time is usually consumed by mindless entertainment while most people who are certain of something like UFOs for example are reluctant to speak to their friends about it for fear of being laughed at or called crazy.
Furhtermore, when the elite write the history books, the bible, & created the religions, they form a VERY distorted view of what the World is, & their true agenda for World domination & human enslavement is not realized by the majority because mainly, the media is controlled & the most important issues are overlooked by garbage & propaganda to further their agenda.

- The truth is right there in front of us, but they lay out their buffet of lies...



posted on Jun, 19 2008 @ 10:04 AM
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Maybe and Just Maybe the biggest conspiracy is that most of the posters here are of a body that does not support the genuine theme.. Maybe your most trusted friends are not your most trusted of friends but act for a government funded policy. In Australia for instance you would never know if your compadre's friends or family where affiliated with a government body with a different motive in mind.... ie your not even allowed to mention your applying for a position in Australia's top level security advisory bodies.. How does that retire a public's scrutiny.. its more like the secret police set up of Nazi germany but its ok in OUR world of terror.. what rot



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 03:50 AM
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Awesome thanks for that, now I've got some ammo for my friends who always pay me out about my new found interest! Thanx a million!

Peace and love K.W!



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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Has anyone mentioned Operation Snow White? Operation Snow White was the largest infiltration ever of the United States government. It was ordered by L. Ron Hubbard, directed by his wife, and carried out by members of the Church of Scientology. 136 different government agencies, embassies and consulates were infiltrated, especially the IRS. It is estimated that there were more than 5,000 covert agents working for the Church. Documents critical of Scientology were destroyed, while information on Scientology's critics was stolen for Hubbard's use. 11 people, including Hubbard's wife, were found guilty in federal court of obstruction of justice, burglary and stealing government property.

en.wikipedia.org...

The article above also mentions Operation Freakout, a smaller conspiracy to discredit and silence an author named Paulette Cooper.

Enjoy.



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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The Gunpowder Plot and The Watergate Scandal are the best. I’m getting all conspiracy theory-tingly just from thinking about them. And who blew one of them out of the water, just a couple of men who were contacted by a brave agent who wanted Americans to know the truth. Amazing when you think about how much time and effort has gone into some conspiracy cracking that has yet to accomplish its goal.

*Star for you.



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 07:50 AM
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Actually, there is no consensus on who was behind the Reichstag fire. Historians disagree on whether it was a lone nut, a communist, a fraction within the NSDAP or the German government that was responsible.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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Excellent post. what with all the modern day conspiracies going on my focus is usually on them, friends and family look at me like i`m loopy! but these are classic undeniables (well..i`m sure somebody would try) next time i start a rant to my friends i`ll quote a few of these first then hit em with the global conspiracy theory, u know.. ease them in.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 05:39 AM
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Still... the Dreyfuss affaire and the Reichstag fire are quite poor examples, whereas more prominent examples like the French Revolution (a conspiracy to overthrow the French monarchy) or the Russian Revolution (a conspiracy to overthrow the Russian monarchy) are not mentioned.

Or what about the destruction and defamation of the Knights Templar by the Pope and the French king?
What about the destruction of the Kathars?
What about the Gunpowder Plot of 1605?
etc.



posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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US & NATO protecting Afghan drug trade
05-08-2008 Pakistan Post - Naveed Miraj
Got from www.infowars.com

ISLAMABAD: After the fall of Taliban government, Afghanistan has again become a hub of narcotics cultivation and smuggling. Thanks to protection, being provided by the US troops, western forces and the Afghan government which are fully involved in the business in the name of war on terror.

The poppy cultivation that came to an end during Taliban period has risen to its highest level as the farmers have cultivated opium in a vast area of 477,000 acres of land in 2007, a 14 per cent increase over the previous year and total production, spurred by unusually high rainfall. Last year it was cultivated on 165,000 hectres, which is 60 per cent more than that of the previous year while Drug Enforcement Agency has the capacity to eliminate only one per cent of the production in the country. Afghanistan supplies 93 per cent of the world’s opium, the main ingredient of heroin and cultivation of poppy has reached at unprecedented level as the opium harvest jumped 34 per cent last year to an estimated 8,200 tonnes. Most of the fields of opium in Afghanistan are owned by the pro-government people specially the warlords who also control various areas and promote poppy cultivation there under the protection of US and allied forces. The US and western forces for certain reasons have given a free hand to the Afghan farmers to cultivate opium therefore turning the country into the biggest opium producer in the world.

There are also reports that the US forces are exporting drugs in collaboration with these warlords who also provide handsome money to the US forces. According to a recent report published by The New York Times, John Schewit a senior US official who had been posted in Afghanistan during the past five years as the Chief of US Anti-Narcotics Agency in an article of 12000 words has confirmed that the US forces and Afghan government have done nothing to control and stop poppy cultivation. Even the US Congress has also criticised the US AID for not providing alternative sources of income to the Afghan people. The Golden Crescent drug trade, launched by the CIA in the early 1980s, continues to be protected by US intelligence, in liaison with NATO occupation forces and the British military. In recent developments, British occupation forces have also been found involved in promoting opium cultivation through paid radio advertisements.

According to reports, the Karzai government officials have also close links with drug smugglers and the government is totally helpless before these warlords. A chain has been made for narcotics smuggling from Afghanistan and opium first product of poppy is first sent to the north of the country for its procession and then smuggled to Central Asian states from where it travels to Europe via Iran.

Afghanistan’s economy has become a criminal economy and narcotics or drug smugglers have so permeated into the Afghan society that no force can control them. The independent observers are of the view that drug business is the major component of the Afghan economy and it is being run under the umbrella of US agencies working in the country in the name of socio-economic revival but to cover their illicit activities the US agencies specially CIA is blaming ISI for helping warlords to promote terrorism there. ISI that played tremendous role in Afghan war against Soviet aggression in 90s is now under fire from the US agencies as it has become main obstacle in their way to promote drug smuggling from Afghanistan via Pakistan and now they have to adopt alternative routes for this purpose. The Afghan government and allied forces have miserably failed to control internal security situation as they are more interested in the business other than bringing normalcy in the war-torn country and blaming ISI to protect their hidden agenda and Afghanistan is a golden arrow for them due to expanding drug business...



posted on Aug, 13 2008 @ 06:36 AM
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None of those are conspiracies. Regarding Panama its called strategic planning. I mean geez the loose language used would mean that any contrived notion is a conspiracy.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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Research the information below. See how your politicians have deceived you in front of your very eyes! (Brainwashing 101)

1) Do you "drive a vehicle" or "travel in a car"?

Driving a vehicle is a privilege involving the use of public roads in order to make a living (a job) related to commerce. This has to do with an occupation like a bus driver, a taxi driver, a race car driver, etc. Traveling is a right to which the state has NO AUTHORITY to regulate or place restrictions upon. (This, however, does NOT give you a right to violate someone else’s rights.)

2) Are you a "resident" or an "inhabitant" of your state? (How does this effect Presidential qualifications?)

A resident is a temporary place of living. For example, if you were a college student and you went to school in another state, the dormitory/apartment where you live while going to school would be considered a residence (a.k.a., a residence hall). Your domicile would be your permanent home. For most students, that would be your parent’s house. Also, you would be considered an inhabitant of the state in which you were born.

3) Is your name be spelled with ALL CAPITAL LETTERS or Upper and Lower Case Letters? Does your ACL name represent a human being or a corporation under the law? Is DOE a dear or is it the Department of Energy? Is DOT a period or is it the Department of Transportation?
See
www.famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/Articles/MemLawOnTheName.htm

Another article about ALL CAP NAMES is on www.crosstheborder.org/ss-motb/AppendixJ.htm . Read it and see what you think of it. Ask yourself why does the government spells your name in ALL C. LETTERS on your Birth Certificate, Social Security Card, driver's license, etc.? It's all about federal control, now isn't it?

4) Were you born in the United States of America (includes the real 50 states like Ohio, Texas, etc.) or the United States (This is where the United States terms like OH, TX, etc. causes problems)? Why? Because OH is not the same state as Ohio, TX is not the same state as Texas, etc. Do you live in the United States of America or the United States? (United States of America is the name of our country. The United States is the name of our capital a.k.a. Washington, DC.) Are you a 14th Amendment citizen of the United States or are you a free inhabitant of one of the 50 states? A 14th Amendment citizenship is the federal United States citizenship created for the slaves.

5) Is the yellow fringe on the U.S. Flag a decoration or does it represent something more sinister? What jurisdiction does this particular flag represent? Is the U.S. Flag the same flag as the flag for the United States of America represented in the Pledge of Allegiance?

See the websites like www.outlawslegal.com/answers/goldflag.htm www.outlawslegal.com/organic/flag.htm

6) Is a "republic" the same as a "democracy"?

Republics are ruled by law. Our country is a Constitutional Republic and we are ruled by Constitutional law. We are NOT a Democracy! Why? Democracy is defined as mob or majority rule. Some have described it as two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. V. Lenin is said to have stated himself that democracy is indispensable to socialism.

7)Is a "right" the same as a "privilege"? If they are not the same, what is the difference?

No, our rights come from God and government has no authority to regulate them. The Declaration of Independence states that government’s job is to secure these rights. Secure is the key word and it is defined in Black’s Law as “to give security”. Security is defined as protection: assurance: indemnification, etc.” Privilege, on the other hand, is defined as “a particular benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens… “ Governments/states (civil) can give privileges, but they can't give us rights. This is why the 14th Amendment term “civil rights” is a manipulation of the terms.
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posted on Sep, 10 2008 @ 08:10 AM
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Nicely done and well put. I enjoyed reading it.



posted on Sep, 10 2008 @ 08:44 AM
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Very nice work indeed. But you must understand one thing.

People just don't commit conspiracies in the 21st century. hehe

Some great facts and very valid proof that governments are generally at the core of most conspiracies. People just don't want to believe that people in power are willing to do whatever they deem 'necessary' to maintain that power. It's a joke really. This government (with the hands of the MIC and defense industry DEEP in their pockets and vice versa) is NO DIFFERENT. They will do whatever it takes to achieve their own personal goals. Some will do it because they will believe they are being patriotic when indeed they are simply being used by the true PTB.

Very nice post.



posted on Sep, 10 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by tigpoppa
None of those are conspiracies. Regarding Panama its called strategic planning. I mean geez the loose language used would mean that any contrived notion is a conspiracy.


Care to change your mind on your statement?




1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.


Because according to the above definitions taken from Dictionary Reference.Com

They are all conspiracies. I think that you, along with many others, need to re-evaluate what you consider a conspiracy to be. A conspiracy is contriving a plan to achieve and ends to a means. Be it for patriotic reasons or not. Be it 'strategic' (another name for conspiracy in this situation, just a nicer term since our government and MSM have turned conspiracy into a bad word) or patriotic it is a conspiracy.

You think that the Panama Canal takeover was legit? That it was good strategy? For whom? The U.S.? Not as a whole. It was strategic for the corporations that would forever benefit from it. The Bay of Pigs is yet another 'strategic' move attempted by factions within this government. Why? Because they WANT WAR. War means money in their pockets. We are seeing it now and have seen it for the past 8 years. It's always about money and power my friend.

Not strategy.



posted on Sep, 10 2008 @ 09:01 AM
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There is a saying that "two people can keep a secret when one of them is dead", or alternate, "it's not a secret if more than one person knows". That would make conpiracies 'open secrets'. So how can they're really be conspiracies without every one finding out? Paranoia is becoming fashionable.


Here is how it is done:
1. Cells: You only know two other people.
2. Threats of extreme violence: You know eveyone you hold dear will be murdered if you are suspected of speaking-up.



posted on Sep, 10 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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I know conspiracys exist. I conspired to smuggle drugs, kill people[assassinate], and many other conspiracys. Your county,State and Federal prosecutor, prosecute conspiracies all the time.


"The War on Drugs" is one of the most open and biggest money making conspiracies.

FIRST MAKING THE SUPPLYLINE SECURE:

1. Despite the "Secure the Border Act" and "Homeland Security" the Mexican Border is A wide open highway for drugs. (SEE MOVIE BORDER) www.grassfire.org...

2. Mexican Trucks can cross the border without inspection and travel throughout the USA

SECOND MAKE PROFITTING FROM THE SALE OF DRUGS LEGAL

1.Federal Civil Asset Forfeiture Laws then allows the government to seize property without charging anyone with a crime. So police allow drugs to be sold and confiscate the cash. They need no warrant and do not have to waste government money trying and convicting the pushers. Just turn him loose and harvest again, what a moneymaker!

2. Federal Civil Asset Forfeiture Laws allows harvesting of anyone the police take a dislike to. For example the government forfeited a farmer's tractor for running over rat and obtained a judgment of forfeiture against the sailboat "Flash II," once owned John F. Kennedy,





When asked why a search warrant would not be served on a suspect known to have resale quantities of contraband one officer responded:
"Because that would just give us a bunch of dope and the hassle of having to book him (the suspect). We've got all the dope we need in the property room, just stick to rounding up cases with big money and stay away from warrants."

In another case officers were instructed to wait until most of a large shipment was converted into cash.

This perversion of law enforcement priorities was the subject of an empirical study "Efficiency is measured by the amount of money seized rather than impact on drug trafficking." , Drug Enforcement's Double-Edged Sword: An Assessment of Asset Forfeiture Programs described forfeiture as a "dysfunctional policy" that forces law enforcement agencies to subordinate justice to profit.

www.ingentaconnect.com...
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"Civil asset forfeiture has allowed police to view all of America as some giant national K-Mart, where prices are not just lower, but non-existent — a sort of law enforcement 'pick-and-don't-pay.'"
—U.S. Representative Henry Hyde,

Innocent owners who are never charged with a crime still must prove their innocence in complex proceedings, where many cases are lost before even coming to trial. Most forfeiture cases are never contested, in part because contesting the proceedings can cost more than the value of what's been confiscated. "The average vehicle siezed is worth about $4,000," states FEAR president Brenda Grantland, Esq. "To defend a case, especially when you're out of state, they've pretty much made it cost prohibitive." Under civil asset forfeiture laws, the simple possessoin of cash, with no drugs or other contraband, can be considered evidence of criminal activity. www.fear.org...


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