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The Marine Corps school that produces infantry combat officers will enroll its first-ever female students this year, Marine Corps Times has learned.
As part of the service’s extensive research campaign to determine what additional jobs could be opened to women, an undetermined number of volunteers will attend the Infantry Officers Course in Quantico, Va., said Gen. Joseph Dunford, the Corps’ assistant commandant. There, Marine officers are groomed to serve in direct combat roles and lead troops into battle.
Soon, enlisted women also will have an opportunity to attend infantry training, Dunford said. Marine officials are developing plans to assign female Marines to the Corps’ Infantry Training Battalions, which fall under the Schools of the Infantry.
Additionally, new functional fitness tests are being developed to help Marine Corps leaders determine how women and men perform in, and cope with, various combat tasks. The goal is to establish “gender-neutral” physical fitness standards. Details are scant, but the Marine Corps’ Training and Education Command is looking to purchase a variety of new equipment specifically for these tests, suggesting the tasks associated with them will closely mimic combat-essential duties such as operating and moving heavy weaponry, and carrying casualties from the battlefield.
The Marine Corps defines gender-neutral physical standards as being identical for men and women, rather than weighted — or “gender-normed” — like those applied in the service’s annual Physical Fitness Test. During the PFT, women can earn a minimum or maximum score with fewer repetitions and a slower run times than their male counterparts.
Biologically, women have less lean muscle mass than men, and unless you are going the way of steroids and/or growth hormones, that isn't gonna change.
But what should change is the 11Bravo MOS being only for men.
Originally posted by jheated5
Sorry but I think this is BS. I'm all for letting women join the Marines but lowering the physical demands of the troops is a disgrace, there is a reason they are the best of the best. By lowering their standards they are basically saying woman are not equal and can't compete with their male counterparts, I say give women the same exact treatment as men and if they can't hack it, oh well......
Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by facelift
One of the problems with the whole 'lowering' of standards argument is that the fitness standards have been designed around male physiology.
While I made a statement regarding "All men are equal ..." in my last post, there are indeed some physiological differences between men and women where some things regarding physical stress, pain management, balance, decompression, flexibility, and lower body muscle management and control, as well as thermal regulation in many cases and studies give strong indication of feminine dominance in those areas.
Were the fitness regimes designed around both physiological standards, you'd find just as many men lacking in areas where women excel over men as you do with women where physical fitness regimes are designed around a purely male physiology.
edit on 19-4-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by usmc0311
I fully understand that but infantry weapons, gear, and combat, don't distinguish between man muscle and women muscle. That is where I am coming from on that issue
I hear you Lima Charlie chief...not saying they should be a 60 gunner, just that a 2 way firing range doesn't discriminate amongst the sexes, so let 'em drive on.
Originally posted by EyesWideShut
reply to post by Druscilla
You're waaaay out of your lane right now, we're not talking about scientific study and theory, we're talking about the physical requirements of a job that many of us have done. I'm all for debate here, but you're ignorant in this subject.