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reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 06:43 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by DarthMuerte



The DNC is a (you guessed it) "corporation". All news sources are (you guessed it) "corporations". This is so transparent it's scary a single American would be for this. Time to start kicking these Teachers back sides for dumbing down the whole country to the level people like this can fool them this easy.

That quote from Roberts I posted from the article is from Obama's attempt to control political speech in the media to silence his opposition.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 06:47 PM by neo96
reply to post by Blaine91555




They want state run media now who are the fascists?

Second says zeig heil may the sun never fade or a bad word ever be said about the Potus it is all about stacking the deck this election cycle to make sure there are 4 more years.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 08:19 PM by Kali74
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux



Exactly right, we don't need taxpayers footing the bill for our own screwing any more than we already are. They've all lost their friggin minds. Yet amazingly people still see things as one side better than other and I can only say this because I had the same tunnel vision not so long ago.

I bet the toilet paper in all their offices has the Constitution printed on it.


reply posted on 20-4-2012 @ 09:46 AM by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

Our founders had an idea, its called democracy
What founders does she speak of? Our founding fathers of this United States of America specifically rejected "Democracy" as a form of Government. Is Nancy trying to covertly change our form of government like so many before her?

The Founding Fathers universally rejected democracy and hoped that posterity would never turn the United States into one. The word they used was Republic, which is not synonymous with Democracy. The word Democracy is not in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights. Even the Pledge of Allegiance is to the Republic for which it stands.
Benjamin Franklin defined democracy as two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
tenthamendmentcenter.com...

Is Nancy wearing sheep's clothing over something else?


reply posted on 20-4-2012 @ 12:21 PM by Indigo5
OK..Just because I think that facts are helpful...I know...I know...radical thinking!

On the OP Source...CNS "Conservative News Service"..tagline "The right news, right now"

Just sayin...

Second, WHAT DID SHE ACTUALLY SAY? Transcipts anyone? I don't trust spin. GIVE ME HER ACTUAL FULL STATEMENTS...CUZ I CAN"T FIND THEM...ONLY RIGHT WING MEDIA TELLING ME CRAP...QUOTES? TRANSCRIPTS?

As best I can tell...they both spoke along with other congresspeople at the same summit. I am not denying she endorsed the Amendment...but please show me where..Facts matter.

Third
The text of the amendment

Section 1. We the people who ordain and establish this Constitution intend the rights protected by this Constitution to be the rights of natural persons.

Section 2. People, person, or persons as used in this Constitution does not include corporations, limited liability companies or other corporate entities established by the laws of any state, the United States, or any foreign state, and such corporate entities are subject to such regulation as the people, through their elected state and federal representatives, deem reasonable and are otherwise consistent with the powers of Congress and the States under this Constitution.

Section 3. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to limit the people's rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, free exercise of religion, and such other rights of the people, which rights are inalienable.

freespeechforpeople.org...

The Bills Author

“I‘ve introduced a People’s Rights Amendment, which is very simple and straightforward,” Rep. Jim McGovern (D.-Mass.) said at the forum. “It would make clear that all corporate entities, for-profit and non-profit alike, are not people with constitutional rights.


So far Montana's supreme court has defied the Federal ruling and held that Corporations are not people...

The legislatures of New Mexico, Vermont and Hawaii have passed resolutions calling for an Amendment and di so by largely bi-partisan votes.

11 Attorney Generals have signed on in support of this..
Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia.

I know...I know....it's inconvenient that they are all not "blue states"...it unfortunately suggests that this is not simply a left vs. right thing ripe for name calling and partisan ignorance.


reply posted on 20-4-2012 @ 12:22 PM by Indigo5

Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA), the original sponsor of the People’s Rights Amendment in Congress, spoke at the Congressional Summit on Overturning Citizens United, held on Capitol Hill today.

His complete remarks follow.

· I want to thank the other Members who spoke before me, Marge, all of the panelists and everyone who had a role in making today’s summit happen. It is a testament to how important it is to overturn Citizens United.

· The Citizens United marked the most extreme example of the so-called corporate personhood movement, where corporations assert fabricated rights under the Constitution to strike down public interest laws protecting the environment, health care, consumer rights, civil rights, and now elections.

· Corporations are not people. They do not breathe. They do not have children. They do not die in war. They are artificial entities which we the people create and, as such, we govern them, not the other way around.

· My “People’s Rights Amendment” is simple and straightforward. It would make clear that all corporate entities - for-profit and non-profit alike - are not people with constitutional rights. It treats all corporations, including incorporated unions and non-profits, in the same way: as artificial creatures of the state that we the people govern, not the other way around.

· Let me make clear - the People’s Rights Amendment preserves all of the individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution. Individual members of corporations have free speech and constitutional rights like everyone else.

· I am proud that the People’s Rights Amendment has bipartisan support in the House and I look forward to working with all of you to lift up the promise of American self-government: of, for and by the people

freespeechforpeople.org...


reply posted on 20-4-2012 @ 12:32 PM by kalisdad
Originally posted by xuenchen
Pelosi: Amend the First Amendment
allow Congress to regulate political speech when it is engaged in by corporations as opposed to individuals.



Are not corporations considered people, and vice versa?

wouldn't regulation of political speech, by corporations, effect every single person in America? considering we are incorporated at birth with the registration of our birth certificate and registration into the Social Security System?


reply posted on 20-4-2012 @ 12:35 PM by Indigo5
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
If Pelosi is so concerned about taking corporations out of the realm of "person" then she would have a hell of an easier time just repealing
Section 7343 of Title 26 U.S.C.,and Section 7701 of Title 26 U.S.C., as well as Section 30 of Article I from the U.C.C.. Of course, Pelosi knows this and is not stupid, nor is she a nut job, this is what she thinks of you, and you, and you, and you over there, and you, you too, and you...


In these conversations you often cite these definitions of "speech" while willfully ignoring the fact that each law in it's application defines it's terms specifically. It is illogical, if not dishonest to pretend that there is a single resource and single definition that is applied to all laws and then to cherry pick those definitions most favorable to your line of defense and present them as the singular authority to define those terms.

Such logic seems an unusual failure when applied to the constitution.

With such clear and absolute defintions of corporations as people, how did Citizens United ever arrive at the SCOTUS?

In short..it arrived there because it is the SCOTUS's responsibility to interpret what the constitution meant by "speech".

I tend to assume given the time period, that they meant the actual product of PEOPLE as opposed to legal constructs structured for the sole purpsose of profit.

This definition is supported when they also secured the "Freedom of the Press"...if "speech" was meant to encompass corporations and entities...why did they need to elaborate and include "the press"??? Would that not have been covered under "Speech" already?

I suspect that most people in the debate understand in thier heart that the founders were referring to actual, living people and not legal constructs who have no interest in "life", "Liberty", "happiness" or the "welfare of the people" or "common good" etc. A corporation is an entity on paper designed to maximize profit...and that is it.

When folks opt to claim "corporations are people too"...they must know somewhere beneath thier idealogical agenda that is not the truth.
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