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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Misleading is to imply that my title, "Creation by the Numbers - An Evolutionists Elemental Nightmare" is somehow implying a happy message for evolution. On the contrary, the title is in a Creationists forum with a title that says that the Evolutionist will have a nightmare because of the truth in this thread. I think I have been more than transparent from word one. Creation.
Evolutionists have NEVER stated there is no creator. They merely show the mechanical and biological processes that allowed life to evolve and flourish on this planet. They never even attempt to address what started all of that.
That is your opening for a creator, why there is something instead of nothing. Science tries to address this, but with intangible, and untestable, theories.
But at least people using science tend to understand the science, instead of, well, to put it bluntly, MAKING CRAP UP.
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by EnochWasRight
The leading research on this is in Russia.
No fake scientific discoveries have ever come out of Russia. Maybe you should go back to the thread you lifted that video from, and actually READ it. Nah, scratch that, we both know you won't.
You can't manipulate science, ignoring some while modifying others, to make it fit. That's not how it works.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by Iason321
That's really amazing. I never considered the descendants being variations on the tree. Consider this video of the 6 days as I describe them.
hales' most famous belief was his cosmological thesis, which held that the world started from water. Aristotle considered this belief roughly equivalent to the later ideas of Anaximenes, who held that everything in the world was composed of air. The best explanation of Thales' view is the following passage from Aristotle's Metaphysics. The passage contains words from the theory of matter and form that were adopted by science with quite different meanings. "That from which is everything that exists and from which it first becomes and into which it is rendered at last, its substance remaining under it, but transforming in qualities, that they say is the element and principle of things that are." And again: "For it is necessary that there be some nature (φύσις), either one or more than one, from which become the other things of the object being saved... Thales the founder of this type of philosophy says that it is water." Aristotle's depiction of the problem of change and the definition of substance is clear. If an object changes, is it the same or different? In either case how can there be a change from one to the other? The answer is that the substance "is saved", but acquires or loses different qualities (πάθη, the things you "experience"). A deeper dip into the waters of the theory of matter and form is properly reserved to other articles. The question for this article is, how far does Aristotle reflect Thales? He was probably not far off, and Thales was probably an incipient matter-and-formist. The essentially non-philosophic Diogenes Laertius states that Thales taught as follows: "Water constituted (ὑπεστήσατο, 'stood under') the principle of all things."
"For it is necessary that there be some nature (φύσις), either one or more than one, from which become the other things of the object being saved... Thales the founder of this type of philosophy says that it is water."
Waters and Water: When referenced today, we comprehend that the word 'Waters' is to apply to something with in the context of H2O, while in it's use in ancient texts, especially the Torah and many others, this does not apply. Rather, the use of the word 'Waters' pertains to a collective group of distinct characteristics of many sub-groups. One example of this, would be to exchange the word 'Waters'(Plural) for the term "Electromagnetic Spectrum", and then to exchange the word "Water" (singular) for such denotations in terminology that pertain such as ELF, SLF, NUV, EUV. One more example; Waters = Hydrogen(In which all heavier elements are derived from, and created through the death of stars to keep it simple). Also the word Waters in this context may apply to the collective of all elements, somewhat like referencing the Periodic Table of Elements, and Water = Any number of elements or element(Singular) that are a construct from the original Hydrogen element, resulting from the cycles, functions, and relational influences their masses have on one another.
Originally posted by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS
THIRD DAY - Layer 3 - 4
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
The Creation of Heavier Elements:
4 - Be, Beryllium
8 Be has a very short half-life of about 7×10−17 s that contributes to its significant cosmological role, as elements heavier than beryllium could not have been produced by nuclear fusion in the Big Bang.
This is due to the lack of sufficient time during the Big Bang's nucleosynthesis phase to produce carbon by the fusion of 4He nuclei and the very low concentrations of available beryllium-8. The British astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle first showed that the energy levels of 8Be and 12C allow carbon production by the so-called triple-alpha process in helium-fueled stars.
***The gathering of elements and the dry ground appearing and such.., is a reference towards the creation of heavier elements with in and from stars. Their 'gathering' is a reference towards the force of gravity, and the pressures of stars, compressing elements into heavier ones***
***Also to be noted, there is seemingly 3 creation stories with in genesis, and they do have transcendent qualities that link them all together. This is where conceptual metaphors and such can become confusing. For the consistent use of such words like water, seeds, beasts and such become increasingly difficult in their representing of something else. While still confined to the aspect of creation, confusion sets in once other concepts enter the equation.***