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I agree. I have been pondering the US vs THEM scenario quite a bit lately myself...I've been thinking about how sites like ATS would not exist without the US vs THEM paradigm...also, this thread wouldn't exist without you setting yourself vs THEM "prophets," for example...
Originally posted by wrdwzrd
I think what really bugs me is that it is presented as an US vs THEM scenario...
Ezekiel 3:16 At the end of seven days the word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."
Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
I'd give you more stars if I could, OP. Why? Just to spite all of these "self-proclaimed awakened ones" who care so much about stars. Also, you speak my feelings.
There are a few tests I do whenever I read a post by a member in this thread.
The first one is to checking the Ego. The more they talk about all their accomplishments or just the more they talk about themselves, the less credibility they have with me. If they say things like "I had my first experience back in X" or "I have been studying this for X" or "I am a(n) X", it's probably the Ego talking, since the Ego loves titles and more evidence for its false self of identification.
Secondly, if they are claiming some heavy stuff, I will check their previous posts and replies and see what kind of personality they have. The masters that I have met have been nothing but respectful, kind, and loving. There is a quote which I can't seem to find but it basically says: "How someone treats a person, they will eventually treat you like that." If they are being disrespectful to someone in another thread, it is because they have disrespect in them, and so they could treat you with it.
Lastly, I leave you with a quote from Lao Tzu!
Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know.
Originally posted by Manula
reply to post by Manula
I don't think it is your ego speaking.
What is ego?
Is it bad to analise a situation and express yourself?
You think there is a lot of BS in the spiritual community? So do i, we are giving a legit opinion, i cant see what ego has to do with it.
Do you want to be better than others by saying that? I don't think so.
For me ego is just the drive to be better than others. An ego person always feels better or worst than others, its the need to be above other people, there is no equality, there is hierarchy and a war to conquer status. There is no cooperation between people, only competition.
Originally posted by wrdwzrd
Hey ATS peeps....
This my favorite forum so I'm hoping my fellow like minded travelers can excuse my rant while I vent some steam. I know the topic of charlatans, fake prophets, etc is nothing new but I just feel there is so much insincerity in the metaphysical world right now and it's really bugging me.
I am in my late 30's so I clearly remember a time when reading books, going to the library, talking to a real live human being and doing the practices for yourself was the way to "get a head" so to speak. The internet has been a blessing and a curse, there is so much information, which is great but it leads to so many becoming over night "experts" that it's getting annoying.
There is no shortage of podcasts, blogs and authors who did some psychedelics a few years ago and now claim to see energy fields, talk to aliens, have insider knowledge from ancient cultures and self appoint themselves as "shamans" holding lectures and workshops across the world.
I think what really bugs me is that it is presented as an US vs THEM scenario where these people must know so much more than us, be more pure than us and be more connected than us when in reality our experiences and paths are just as valid as anyone else, we just haven't decided to tell everybody we can think of about it in book or podcast form.
The other part is that 99% of it is UNORIGINAL content, they are just echoing the same lines everyone else in this area of knowledge has been talking about forever!
I know this frustration is coming from a place of Ego and in most cases there is a sense of jealousy, I am very aware of that. I am still very much a work in progress!
It just seems the teaching of living humbly and losing your identification to being a "spiritual" person and just being is pretty much lost on everyone. The ancient texts spoke of this but we seem to have forgotten this important teaching.
If we keep our mystical experiences to ourselves as they just as important as others?
Can we keep our mouths shut in the presence of ignorance allowing others to get to where they need to on their own?
Is our daily personal work still valid if no one knows we are doing it?
I find this part of the practice to be quite challenging!
Anyways, rant over so thank you. Just wondering if anyone else is feeling a little overwhelmed with this lately?
Thanks and Much Peace!
Originally posted by LastProphet527
I remember as if it was yesterday” 180,000years ago when you are so called Noah landed on earth and started breeding with the human race. I even knew the first of us that controlled and paved the way for your Jesus Christ as my teacher claims to have taught Moses.
I have jumped in and out of humans for over 200,000 years now and counting and it’s nothing a human can do to stop me. It was 33 of us when we arrived when the dinosaurs once roamed your earth and now…it is only two of us.
Nostradamus and the other fake Prophets did nothing but create your future, as you to believe It and as it comes true…from your thoughts as the masses of thought, brings truth, into the realm of what was taught,
In the realm before.
We helped you shape your earth to develop evolved matrix changing tunes to lead you to this level of life as you see it today.
If it were not for the birds, the airplane and all aircraft would be obsolete in your time of the evolved. If it was not for the whale and bats you, humans would not have developed sonar that is used for just about everything as far aviation and underwater travel is concerned .
To make along story short…don’t blame the prophet ,blame the messenger.