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Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by RealSpoke
Never once on the battlefield have I wielded a sword and hewn the enemy limb from limb....
The guy on your avatar disagrees with you...
Originally posted by muse7
Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
I bet you can see pretty much the same at your local slaughter house, or check the way animals are treated before they end up in your dish.
Its not that I care that much, after all I still eat it, its just that this "holier than thou" attitude about some crap the military does when you have pretty much the same or worse just around the corner.
This military bashing is getting out of hand... just shut up. Here's a quote to anyone that just spits out crap about the army... just think about that before posting "anti-army" crap...
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post."
Are you actually serious? Telling me to shut up huh?
This was not an "anti-army" thread, this thread was aimed to shed light on the use of live animals for military exercises that can easily be replaced by something much more humane.
And for your information, I've been a vegetarian for 10+ years, so don't try to inform me of what goes on at slaughter houses.
And lastly, man 1776 was a long time ago. I don't know of any group out there that is planning to invade the U.S. and take away our "freedom". All I hear is middle eastern people demanding for us to get the hell out of their countries.
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by muse7
This is indeed disturbing... but what I find even more disturbing are the people on here that will cry and moan about a goat being killed, but see nothing wrong with taking an innocent human baby out of the womb, sticking a pair of scissors in it's skull and throwing it in a trash can, or sucking a human fetus out of the womb with a vaccum cleaner.
A new simulation facility at the medical center will give medical residents, staff and students a first chance to experience surgery without the high stakes of a real operation.
Surgical residents will be among the first doctors to use the center. The new surgeons will get "a chance to have a 'do-over' because they can practice and rehearse not once, but several times until they are comfortable," said Sandra Feaster, the center's program director. "This is a chance for teams to train and to enhance their communication skills, with the goal of improved patient safety."
Within a year of Hosokawa joining the MU Medical School, the use of animals in teaching had been phased out — a trend that mirrors what’s happening in schools across the country. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, only a dozen of the nation’s 125 accredited medical schools still use live animals to teach skills in physiology, pharmacology and surgery.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, I;ll say the new technology for simulators is promising and I also hope for a day that technology is SO advanced that the stress and sheer panicky action needed with a real wound spurting all over the place can be duplicated without a living being on the other end of the wound. That would be best for everyone...Indeed.
Until then. Well.. We;re talking about training the people you will see as the last hope you have with a wound that's killing you.or me...or someone we care about. Who knows where these guys go after the Service? Our whole Emergency Dept here is run and staffed largely by vets.
When the new ways will work, by all means, switch. Until it's 120% proven and accepted to produce the same quality and problem solving ability in a field medic...I'll just feel a little bad for the goats who died so I may live. What those goats died to teach a medic working on me will certainly never be forgotten if I'm the one benefiting from the knowledge their little sacrifice brought.