That clip seriously gives me chills and everytime I listen to it I feel so puzzled. The stuttering sounds a bit excessive but the weezing/ deep breaths and the whinyness in his voice sounds very realistic. If you were in his position... knowing as much as you do and thinking about it constantly... knowing everyone you love might be in danger... when you talk about it the fear just has to overwhelm you. People usually get that way when they tell stories of ghosts they saw and stuff. That may be why he sounds fine in the begining but as he starts to go in depth, the fear overwhelms him. In the clip, the way he is speaking almost sounds like he is walking or out of breath. It gets me focusing on his pitch and how it changes like a kid going through puberty. It sounds realistic to me.

this is why you can't believe anything on art's show....and if you ask me that's just the way art wants it.

so how much do you think he's making from the movie rights to his and whitley streiber's book??

not that i have anything against people like art who sit on their arses all day playing with their equipment ( )......... 'cause i spent a few years doing that myself.... but why does he have to make so much darn money doing it?







[edit on 27-9-2004 by victor was right]

While I do trust George, I really wouldn't put it past Art to purposely have an equipment 'malfunction' in order to add to the eeriness of the call. Something about the guy strikes me as being untrustworthy.

Seems a little fake to me. Pretty disturbing though.

Why are we avoiding the discussion regarding the implications of the content of this man's call if what he is saying is true? Is this the wrong forum to ask people to theorize about aliens/extradimensional beings/UFOs?

I've asked this before and I will continue to ask the question: What will it take to show sufficient evidence that this call is true or false?

I understand that ATS' motto is "deny ignorance", and lately anything that can't be proven 100% is being debunked. However, a theory does not necessarily represent ignorance. A theory represents available information in the absence of both truth as well as ignorance.

If we wish to ever get beyond the "its true" vs. "its bogus" discussions, then at some point we will have to agree that it is often impossible to unconditionally deny or accept anything that comes from another person's experiences. Ultimately, we are not going to prove squat about this call, so why not work together to contribute theoretical implications?

MK

Originally posted by MKULTRA

Why are we avoiding the discussion regarding the implications of the content of this man's call if what he is saying is true? Is this the wrong forum to ask people to theorize about aliens/extradimensional beings/UFOs?

No, but way too many people here present their 'theory' as fact. If you disagree with them, the disinformation agents have obviously gotten to you. Gets annoying.

I've asked this before and I will continue to ask the question: What will it take to show sufficient evidence that this call is true or false?
And people (at least myself) have answered you, it just doesn't seem to have any effect

I understand that ATS' motto is "deny ignorance", and lately anything that can't be proven 100% is being debunked. However, a theory does not necessarily represent ignorance. A theory represents available information in the absence of both truth as well as ignorance.

Thing is, most theories here have NO evidence behind them. Heresay at best, ramblings as usual.

I'm going to break it to you as painlessly as possible- There is no, and I repeat, NO, verifiable or testable evidence that ET's have contacted Earth. That's the problem. You can only go so far on faith, which is what the belief in ET's is. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it's the truth.

If we wish to ever get beyond the "its true" vs. "its bogus" discussions, then at some point we will have to agree that it is often impossible to unconditionally deny or accept anything that comes from another person's experiences. Ultimately, we are not going to prove squat about this call, so why not work together to contribute theoretical implications?
MK

I personally don't want to becasue msot people around here are extremely gullible. The sort of person who turns on "Unexplained Mysteries" and take it as gospel truth. Anything wee say will seep into their midns and eventually become UFO lore "Fact". And I really do want to get to the facts of the matter, so I don't want to contribute to it's clouding.

Esoterica,

Thank you for the focused reply.

No, but way too many people here present their 'theory' as fact. If you disagree with them, the disinformation agents have obviously gotten to you. Gets annoying.

I personally welcome all points of view. I think diverse viewpoints are the rewarding nature of belonging to a discussion-based community. While I think it is plausible that some members of ATS are government employees, this would not necessarily invalidate their opinions (even if their task was to spread propaganda). Propaganda/disinformation can even be comforting to some types of people.

I've asked this before and I will continue to ask the question: What will it take to show sufficient evidence that this call is true or false?

And people (at least myself) have answered you, it just doesn't seem to have any effect

What effect do you expect to see? Hopefully my reply in this message will shed some insights.

quote: I understand that ATS' motto is "deny ignorance", and lately anything that can't be proven 100% is being debunked. However, a theory does not necessarily represent ignorance. A theory represents available information in the absence of both truth as well as ignorance.


Thing is, most theories here have NO evidence behind them. Heresay at best, ramblings as usual.

As I understand your point, you're attempting to prevent against a theory that produces a false positive? Certainly acceptable within the empirical approach. In many different fields of study, the only evidence that many theories have behind them are the observations (of certain phenomena) that provoke the development of such a theory to begin forming. In any empirical method the validity of these observations should be questioned (obviously). A false positive can be devastating. Such is the reason for replication of results, for example.

My viewpoint is that theories are essential because they generate ideas/hypotheses that can guide further research- which can illuminate (or discolor) the phenomenon in question. If we prematurely "close the book" on the development of a theory due to non-credible evidence (or ramblings, or heresay), then we *may* have committed a similar type of error: a false negative (saying something is false when in reality it is true).

I'm going to break it to you as painlessly as possible- There is no, and I repeat, NO, verifiable or testable evidence that ET's have contacted Earth. That's the problem. You can only go so far on faith, which is what the belief in ET's is. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it's the truth.

I agree with the above statement, given the available evidence that we have examined on this discussion forum. Its not a bad thing- it is the most accurate representation of reality. We just don't have the means to verify anything.

quote: If we wish to ever get beyond the "its true" vs. "its bogus" discussions, then at some point we will have to agree that it is often impossible to unconditionally deny or accept anything that comes from another person's experiences. Ultimately, we are not going to prove squat about this call, so why not work together to contribute theoretical implications?
MK

I personally don't want to becasue msot people around here are extremely gullible. The sort of person who turns on "Unexplained Mysteries" and take it as gospel truth. Anything wee say will seep into their midns and eventually become UFO lore "Fact". And I really do want to get to the facts of the matter, so I don't want to contribute to it's clouding.

I respect your position and agree with your assessment of the high frequency of gullibility/suggestibility. An empirical collection of verifiable facts will ultimately lead to a more refined theory that has a strong foundation. My approach is a bit different, as I have experienced rare instances/anomalies (in science) where theoretical discussions lead to a discovery of facts that can then be verified through further empirical inquiry. Ultimately we may both arrive at similar conclusions, even though we take distinctly different paths.

Now- do you think the man on Art Bell's radio show claiming to be a former employee of Area 51 is a complete lunatic? What is your opinion?

Kind regards,
MK

I respect your opinions, and agree to some extent. I guess I'm just a little to the opposite of center as you.

Personally, I think it would be very cool if he actually did work for Area 51. His information, though, is a little disheartening. That said, I can't in good conscience believe him. Right now, if I wanted to, I could call up Art (well, George tonight, but same difference) and make up some story about how I am a liason between the shapeshifting Old Hags and the UN NWO council. If I took a few acting classes, I could sound pretty convincing. If this is something I could do, then it's entirely possible that it's something this guy could do. The transmitter freaking out was either (IMO) bad luck, or Art deciding to have some fun with the listeners.

C2CAM is a great show. It's very entertaining and usually informative. And it makes me think. But that's all ti does, it makes me think. It doesn't make me believe. I leave that up to my own mind.

I read this just after you posted.I wanted to give it a real good listen a few times over before coming to any conclusions.I still have not come to a conclusion as there really is NO proof it is real or fake.
Just because a call was made in later on saying it was the same guy and was only playing a joke is NOT proof.It could have been me for all anyone knows.

The first thing that came to mind after listening to this was whats the deal with SEPTEMBER 11 !!!
I then looked at the date at which this 'Brian' and saw he 'calls back' April 28, 1998.Thats almost 8 months after the fact.Why wait that long?Ok,maybe wanted to make the 'hoax' last awhile.
So I listen to the clip of him saying he hoaxed it all and gave it a few listens.

I then started to think about something.This is no doubt the guy that called originally.But I think he started something he was not aware of.

Just as we talk about this and that about what is going on and what we know.Just as we dig deep into this topic,it could have been any of us taking what we 'believe' be it from here or general discussion with friends,calling in and making an 'assumption' 'speculation' theory call on what they are doing at Area 51 for example.
With what we think is going on and calling in to a show such as Art's,I think it may be a little too much knowledge or 'close to' for some people to allow out.
Just as any of us could 'speculate' our theories on what is going on and what we think may happen,it was too close for comfort in some words and someone got trigger happy with a satellite.

My opinion is that some words,or many,got someone a little un-easy.
I would be willing to bet that any one of us could call in and discuss what we do here with this subject in good detail and perhaps have the same thing happen.

I also started to think about the call back.Is it me or does the call back seem to be a bit shaky?Could it be that he was contacted,tracked down and some sort of mind control was set to make him call back and announce it was all a joke?Perhaps he was making the call while 'someone' was there making sure it was done.

Could Art have done this?Possible.But why?How many more listeners could come from it?What else is really to gain from it?A new Pepsi sponsor?
I know many think of Art as a joke and his show is filled with nothing but paranoia and crazy UFO/alien junkies.But where does that put us?Most of us who believe in the existence of alien life are doing the same thing here.He just happens to have those publicly announce it live instead of a messageboard.

[edit on 20-10-2004 by antipigopolist]

During gulf war I, my best friend's husband was still in the military.

His job with the USAF was to monitor media reports out of the war zone.
Tom very bluntly told his wife and I that there were major concerns in the control room regarding CNN's broadcasts live from Baghdad. He sat with his hand on the switch most nights waiting the command to shut the feed to American's televisions down, period.

Mind now, that was 11-12 years ago. Systems are much more sophisticated now. Any media can be shut off the moment the military or tptb decide they don't want xxxx info out in the public domain.

Bearing that in mind, ats could be axed and perhaps, glp was tonight.

will we ever know the truth? not likely.

rad

If i purely wanted this to be analyzed for its' shock value, i would not have put up a link to the call where this person claims the call to be a hoax. Indeed with all the evidence provided, it does at face value, seem like the case is closed; except the fact that THE SATELLITE THAT HOSTS THIS SHOW WAS KNOCKED OUT OF EARTH LOCK DURING THIS PARTICULAR CALL. Think outside the box. I know it's easy to be cynnical, but looking closer at something and having an open mind does tend to help one "deny ignorance".

[edit on 28-9-2004 by goregrinder]

I remember listening to this AS it was happening. I have to say that it was completely disorienting. Why? Because the show switched over to some prerecorded stuff and I had to check my radio to make sure that I hadn't imagined the whole thing and was just then waking up to hear the 'real' show.

What was my take at the time? Well, at first I wasn't paying too much attention to the guy. As time went on, though, I began to sense that both he and Art were getting more and more excited. And then... it just went off the air and some completely unrelated stuff came on. Like I said above, I checked to make sure that my radio actually was on. Since I was laying down at the time, I couldn't be sure that I had actually heard what I thought had just gone down. Only layer, when Art came back on, was I convinced that the caller wasn't a figment of my imagination...

...and then I tried to remember what he actually said. This bugged me for awhile.. but then I forgot about the whole incident. So... thanks for the thread.

As a side question, was the 'precursor' project related to the so-called Philadelphia experiment?

To be skeptical, though, in the early 90s there was an episode of star trek that involved aliens from another 'dimension' who abducted the Enterprise crew. This guy's story sounds a lot like that episode.

[edit on 28-9-2004 by onlyinmydreams]

Radstar, thank you for the insightful post. I think the reason alot of people aren't willing to accept the fact that our government lies to us, hides from us, and misdirects us, is because of a subconcious fear. The "reality" of this call is frightening. What makes it even more frightening is the thought that this schmuck stumbled accidentaly onto information someone didn't want us to hear. The amount of people that don't find this to be odd is rather amusing, and telling.

Originally posted by goregrinder
Radstar, thank you for the insightful post. I think the reason alot of people aren't willing to accept the fact that our government lies to us, hides from us, and misdirects us, is because of a subconcious fear. The "reality" of this call is frightening. What makes it even more frightening is the thought that this schmuck stumbled accidentaly onto information someone didn't want us to hear. The amount of people that don't find this to be odd is rather amusing, and telling.

As I stated,if any of us were to go on such a show and perhaps discuss what we know or feel we know,the same could happen to us.The air waves would go silent as if we tapped into a 'nerve' that made someone 'twitch'
BigBrother is among us and as stated above,ATS could be in a 'watch group' itself and all of a udden be gone one day due to a post by someone.Maybe someone like John Lear or Michael Horn or Billy Meier.

The amount of people that don't find this to be odd is rather amusing, and telling.

This is what they want,but in this day in age are not getting.We are not as 'blind' to such subjects anymore and they know it.All it takes is a few words to get someone buzzing and someone feels the time to chime in and make it disappear.
They cant silence everyone and soon,one day,as long as people dont put the subjects and proof on the back burner,they will be the ones being watched over.

SMR, do you believe there was any correlation between the date on which the call tookplace and the caller referring to "disasters in major population centers" and the call going out, or believe it was just a coincidence? I'm not sure what i think, to be honest. I do know it is a little too convenient that the show went out at this time.

For those who haven't, Id suggest reading Area 51: The Dreamland Chronicles for information about what was happening with the whole Area 51/ Toxic waste lawsuit. At the trial, originally, the govornment refused responsibility because Area 51 "didn't exist". Then, when they thought they were gonna be able to get an EPA inspection into the place, president Clinton signed an executive order forbidding public knowldge and inspeaction, even a classified inspection by the EPA, for reasons of national security, ect. Last time I checked, they still are trying to get compensation for the injured poisoned workers.

The Russian satelite photo of the burning toxic waste is included in this book. Its a real good read.

As for this paticular episode of the Art Bell show. My dad used to live in Pahrump. He used to listen to that show all the time, and turned me onto it when I used to visit.

I sort of remeber this paticular episoide in question, but I was like REALLY stoned when we were lostening to it, and when the feed cut off, we started laughing and making Twilight Zone noises, then stopped....suffered a bit of drug induced paranoia......then started laughing again.

I barely remeber the show. I remeber it was something to do with Area 51 and Aliens, like it almost always is, but I think we were yapping while the show was on, talking about alien butthole probes and why the blueprints for the Enterprise only contained one noticible toilet.

So, it seems, that while we were engaged in ouir "philisophical discussions" and passing the bowl around for about the 5th time....we actually missed something REALLY good. Its a shame I had to chose that paticular night to invite friends over to smoke weed and listen to the radio.

I wish I could listen to this broadcast, but my computer wont play it. Maybe when i get a better connection and comp, I can hear it, and see what it was that was good enough to get cut off.

From what I have seen here tho......hoax? Maybe, maybe not. But the implications......September 11 and talk about a disaster to hit a populated area....now normally, such vague predictions would not even register with me. Its just, that he mentioned this on THAT day, of all friggin days....that IS weird. If that is mere coincidence, its just about the creepiest one I have come across.

That audio convasation is quite interesting, ive never listened to any Art Bell's shows before so i cant pass judgement on wheather its a hoax or not, but the bloke who's calling in certainly does sound terrorified of something. very interesting and quite errie

I have been thinking about exactly what he said and tried relating it to other events. He mentioned the government could do something about this and there are a lot of safe places in the world where the population could move. If this was possibly true, was the man reffering to 9/11? I don't believe the date he called in had any significance because wasn't it Art Bell who asked workers of Area 51 to call in on that particular day? He talks about how aliens are not what we think and they are extra-dimensional beings I think he called it? Could they have known our future or could we have somehow seen the future which would predict the catastrophe of 9/11? Instead of focusing on wheather or not the call is true or false, cant we focus on the exact words he ended up saying and maybe find significance or truth in them. The part I still dont understand is about how they aren't what they claimed to be and they have taken over many aspects of the military. That kind of lost me.

Matt

Could the dates coincide? Well, the thing that baffles me when thinking about this is the fact that he mentions the destruction of major population centers. If in fact these are coincidences, three of them, eerily connected on one night, on a specific day, on a show that was cut off... That's a hell of alot of weirdness.