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18 Venn diagrams showing how corrupted American ‘democracy’ really is

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
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Great find, thanx for sharing.

If anyone has read my posts, this is what I have been talking about.

The government is ran by, and for, the capitalist class. The "government" is not to blame, it is those who have hijacked government in order to control the state for capitalist interests.

The whole political spectrum sold to us by the MSM is an illusion, there is no opposition to the capitalist class in government. There is no one representing workers. There is NO left-wing. Only a pseudo left-wing that is nothing but liberal right-wing, and mostly designed to give people issues to be concerned with that do not have an effect on the real problem, the capitalist economy. Issues that simply distract and divide working people, and keep us from organizing.

The "government" does nothing but make sure workers don't organize, and keep making profit for someone else.


Replace the word "capitalist" with "corporate fascist" and you'll be right. Those businesses and industries, along with the federal government, long ago abandoned capitalism.

/TOA




posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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You know all the people defending the Democrats and saying "eh wah. look at all the Bush/Cheney names, and it goes beyond Republican or Democrat" thats exactly the point. For years we have known how corrupt and abusive Bush was in office, every liberal and democrat constantly reminded us of that on a daily basis back when life was good (life was much better under Bush), and they touted how their party wasnt like that (the Ds) and they were the party for the people and all that nonsense. Well this diagram has shown just how involved the democrats have been at screwing our country (just exactly the same as how they fussed about the republicans, hypocrisy much?), here is yet more definitive proof that there is no major differences between the 2 parties. If they are sponsored and consequently win elections by the same people who have been in the last 3 DIFFERENT Presidents cabinets and colleagues' staff, then seriously what is the difference? And now based off of current donor trends made for Romney, what makes you believe anything of significance will change after this election cycle? Its the same.

So thank you to all the people pointing out how corrupt the Republicans have been, again, in fact im pretty sure everyone here knows that and pretty much agrees with that, so why dont yall wake-up and realize your savior and precious democratic party is just as bad as the republicans you hate so much. Hello, is anybody getting that? Obama is a crook, Bush is a crook, Clinton was a crook, Romney=crook! And this diagram is the proof, but to add the icing on the cake here are some quick links to more info tying this all together.

Romney Donors 2012: www.opensecrets.org...

Barack Obama 2008 www.opensecrets.org...

and of course Ron Paul............not a crook.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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It's really not that suspicious. ATS'ers are looking too hard. Majority of these people hold treasury positions in government, I wonder why
they work for an extremely successful bank, who else would you hire to work for the treasury? Someone who just graduated community college?
(not putting those in community college down, I go to the Community College of Allegheny County and it's a great way to start off your college career)



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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All those diagrams seem to relate to the executive and legislative branches. It would have been nice to see a few diagrams for the judicial branch.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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I'll sound like a horrible person by stating it, but.


This is not proof of corruption. It is proof of corporate feudalism. If anything, It's a statement that because the common American refuses to be politically active, groups of men, mind you with different opinions, have come together to fill the void.


No, this is actually American democracy in action. And it can just as easily go back to the way it was. It would be corruption if they were all one company with the same unilateral opinions and ethics. Thanks to them being different their blackmailing and cold wars between each other will inevitably be their undoing.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Incredible that when two guns are pointed at your head some people will still focus on the one that's blue or red rather than the fact that there are two guns pointed at your head!

Only took four posts


Let's say partisans are right and their team is good and the other evil. That means whoever is in charge is evil.

All conspiracies, all distopias, all segregation and genocide, all have one thing in common: government did it.
edit on 19-4-2012 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Replace the word "capitalist" with "corporate fascist" and you'll be right. Those businesses and industries, along with the federal government, long ago abandoned capitalism.


Corporate fascists as you call them ARE capitalists.

Corporations are just capitalists incorporating to protect their personal wealth.

So I am still right. Capitalism, the economic system of private ownership of the means of production, is the root system that has lead to corporatism.

Capitalism is not free-markets. Some people are under the illusion that everything but capitalism is the problem, and capitalism can be fixed by taking it back to a place when it seemed to work. Like there is no alternative, and capitalism just need to be fixed. Then there are those who claim we don't have capitalism at all. But the problems we are having are an inherent part of capitalism, exploitation, artificial scarcity of resources, profit above needs, you can't change the nature of capitalism with regulations, or adding prefixes like anarchism to it.

The economic system of capitalism is the root of our economic problems.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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The only ones to blame are ourselves for allowing this to happen.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Well, it looks like we have our list now, doesn't it?


edit on 19-4-2012 by ErtaiNaGia because: +gendo



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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I believe the overview is that we the masses have no real choice. Until the MSM stops playing us against each other and/or enough of us wake up to the corruption , the U.S. will make laws favoring the rich and the masses will have less. Such is the arc of our system.

This was fought with tooth and nail and much blood by the unions through last century and now people have forgotten and are being misled by the individual bootstrap idea of economics which, though noble in a way, is bunk.

Perhaps we should instate a community draft for polititians because if you want power, then you are likely unsuitable for it. Either way I wish the liberal/conservative meme dies fast as most don't even know what it really means and it's being used as a diversion.

I think everyone wants clean politics without money dictating policy and a limited gov that mainly keeps essentials running, provides a real education and cares for the vulnerable... seems reasonable to me, anyway.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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why isn´t there a law against that kind of "interest conflict" as we call it in germany in the us?
I mean: here in germany this would not be possible to that extend. What happened in your country that no one really cares? Don´t you have a press you can put pressure on to really report about this?



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Well I apologize for hurting your fragile sensibilities.

A majority of people on ATS are from the US, indeed, the site itself is based in the US.

So maybe next time you have a complaint, try not being so rude. Maybe I would've edited the post if you had been polite.

But now I think I will leave it the way it is just make you mad.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals

Originally posted by ideasarebulletproof
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If, by your statement, removing laws helps keep things like this from happening, exactly what laws would you get rid of that would in any way fix this problem?

Honestly that makes zero sense to me, but please explain your position.

Thanks.


I think we'd be better off without the PATRIOT Act and NDAA for instance. Most of the laws passed in the last decade have been to the detriment of the public and freedom. It was illegal to give money in unlimited amounts to politicians not long ago and the repeal of Glass-Steagal is a major reason for the failure of so many banks.
edit on 19-4-2012 by Asktheanimals because: added comment


Don't get me wrong, I think most laws written today are absolutely useless and a detriment to a free society. But repealing the PATRIOT ACT and NDAA will not stop the revolving door of government and corporate America scratching each others backs.

And if Glass-Steagal were reinstated that indeed would be more laws/regulation, not less.

I get what you're saying though. The whole legal process needs to be simplified in my opinion, no more 1500 page proposals given to politicians the day before a vote.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual
I firmly believe that those politicians are heading for a major wake-up call in the coming two years. People are wanking up to the open corruption throughout our governments, and the people will remove it whether these politicians like the idea or not.

Really, what are we going to do about it? We are those people in those countries that we either mock or have pity for. We have no way to fix it. We are powerless against the corruption. They have the money, army, surveillance, and coordination. We are a sparse and argumentative bunch. We have no power.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by kauskau
Don´t you have a press you can put pressure on to really report about this?

The press is in on it.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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These diagrams are the same ones passed off before that it's author bent over backwards to avoid including any Republicans on the list, especially highly placed ones like John Ashcroft or Justice Clarence Thomas, who sit on the boards or have been retained as legal council for corporations they then pass rulings on.

Monsanto *is* The Federal Government - The Venn Diagram

Focusing just on Monsanto, we have these Republicans connected to that company (from the Notable persons "who's who" database NNDB.com:

Monsanto Executives, current board members, past board members, etc.;
www.nndb.com...

 


Donald K. Bandler
AKA Donald Keith Bandler
www.nndb.com...
US State Department Head of Political-Military Affairs, Paris, France (1985-89) - REAGAN
US State Department Coordinator, Conference on Security & Cooperation in Europe (1983-85) - REAGAN


Arnold W. Donald
www.nndb.com...
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
George W. Bush for President (PAC)


Juanita H. Hinshaw
www.nndb.com...
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
John McCain 2008 (PAC)
Romney for President (PAC)


Robert B. Shapiro
www.nndb.com...
Searle Pharmaceuticals Chairman & CEO, Nutrasweet (1982-85) - Under Rumsfield
Searle Pharmaceuticals General Counsel (1979-82) - Under Rumsfield
Bilderberg Group
Been serving under gov. councils since Nixon.


John W. Bachmann
www.nndb.com...
Party Affiliation: Republican
Bill Bradley for President (PAC)
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
Dreier for Congress Committee (PAC)
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority Board of Governors
Friends of Senator D'Amato 1998 Committee (PAC)
Gephardt for President (PAC)
Leadership PAC 2006
National Association of Securities Dealers Board of Directors
National Republican Congressional Committee
Romney for President (PAC)
US Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors


Gwendolyn S. King
www.nndb.com...
Commissioner of Social Security, 1989-92 - appointed by REAGAN
White House Staff Deputy Assistant to the President (1986-88) - REAGAN
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
George W. Bush for President (PAC)


William U. Parfet
www.nndb.com...
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
George W. Bush for President (PAC)


George H. Poste
www.nndb.com...
US Defense Department Defense Science Board - 2004, BUSH
Council on Foreign Relations


William Ruckelshaus
William RuckelshausAKA William Doyle Ruckelshaus
www.nndb.com...
Party Affiliation: Republican
US EPA Administrator (1983-85, second term, invited by James Baker) - REAGAN
US Deputy Attorney General (1973) - NIXON
US EPA Administrator (1970-73) - NIXON
US Justice Department Assistant Attorney General (1969-70) - NIXON
Council on Foreign Relations Board Member
George W. Bush for President (PAC)
Kay Bailey Hutchison for Senate (PAC)
Watergate Scandal Refused to fire Archibald Cox, was replaced by Robert Bork


John M. Berra
www.nndb.com...
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
George W. Bush for President (PAC)
John McCain 2008 (PAC)


Jeffrey E. Curtiss
www.nndb.com...
Party Affiliation: Republican
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
John McCain 2008 (PAC)
Kay Bailey Hutchison for Senate (PAC)


Ray R. Irani
www.nndb.com...
Party Affiliation: Republican
US Official Secretary of Energy Advisory Board
George W. Bush for President (PAC)
John McCain 2008 (PAC)
McCain 2000 (PAC)
Romney for President (PAC)


Alan D. Lourie
AKA Alan David Lourie
www.nndb.com...
US Court of Appeals, Federal Circuit - BUSH
US Appeals Court Judge, Federal Circuit (1990-) - BUSH


S. Jay Stewart
www.nndb.com...
George W. Bush for President (PAC)


Clarence Thomas
Clarence ThomasAKA Clarence P. Thomas
www.nndb.com...
Party Affiliation: Republican
Executive summary: US Supreme Court Justice - BUSH
US Supreme Court Justice Justice (1991-) - BUSH
US Appeals Court Judge, DC Circuit (1990-91) - BUSH
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Chairman (1982-90) - REAGAN
US Education Department Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights (1981-82) - REAGAN
Congressional Staff Legislative Assistant to John Danforth (1979-81) - REAGAN


Larry D. Thompson
AKA Larry Dean Thompson
www.nndb.com...
Party Affiliation: Republican
US Attorney Northern District, Georgia (1982-86)
Bush-Cheney '04 (PAC)
John McCain 2008 (PAC)
National Center for State Courts Board of Directors
US Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors - BUSH

 


Which is just the tip of the iceberg, but all I can squeeze in, in one post.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by phishfriar47
I think that pretty much sums up how useful the Democrats are.


People on that list work for however is in the White House at the time, I believe.

Some of them say Clinton/Bush, so they worked in the same position for both sides.


I think it's more like:
Whoever is in the White House at the time works for those people on the list; on site tails wagging the dog.
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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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I'm sorry, but why do people continue to poo-poo people's comments that we are, in many ways, a fascist country? You don't have to round up and systematically murder Jews, Gypsies and Jehovah's Witnesses to be fascist. Fascism was coined by Mussolini, who would blush at this sort of corporate collusion (Top down State Socialism).



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Oh and by the way, this forum is called "US Political Madness".

So maybe you should pay better attention of what you say to people, and in what forum you are in before blowing a gasket and calling someone a "Dumb F***" like a 12 year old.



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