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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
So one guy says there were dead bodies at WTC 7. The people who were with him disagree with him. He subsequently admits he was wrong and retracts his statement.
How can anyone possibly still think there were bodies there? You would have to be a moron.
I used Barry's account of WTC7 being completely evacuated and empty by the time he got there.
Originally posted by FlyingFox
Just apply Truther logic...
Since the firemen likely have no prior experience being inside a demoed building vs a free-falling building, how can their impressions have any validity? That is, how can they tell them apart?
They can't.edit on 21-4-2012 by FlyingFox because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Flatcoat
reply to post by GenRadek
Right...of course. People hear booms, watch a building fall down and naturally assume it was a car crash. Definitely a steaming pile of something.
Originally posted by GenRadek
Unfortunately what people seem to forget is, that there are A LOT of things that can go "kaboom" in such a massive conflagration. You have an airliner scattered across 10+ floors in each Tower, you have about 30+ floors burning, each an acre in size. So 30+ acres burning, plus the degradation of the structural integrity due to the impact, damage, and fires. What can't go kaboom in that?
Originally posted by GenRadek
Originally posted by Flatcoat
reply to post by GenRadek
Right...of course. People hear booms, watch a building fall down and naturally assume it was a car crash. Definitely a steaming pile of something.
It is no wonder the "Truth" Movement hasnt gone anywhere in all these years. The ignorance is really putting a drag.
Also I see your reading comprehension skills are right where they should be.......... nonexistent. Thank you for being the model "Truther".
Now will you stop acting like a troll or are you going to contribute something useful? Besides being a typical ignorant "Truther"?
Originally posted by maxella1
Here's how I would post the same thought;
So one guy said that he felt like he was stepping over people, but didn't actually see what he was stepping over in WTC 7, and now he is unfortunately deceased. RIP. The only other person that we know of that was there with him doesn't remember stepping over anything. Then the whole building is destroyed.
How can anybody know for sure what he was talking about?
And I would just omit the “moron” part because it's just rude.
Originally posted by Flatcoat
You know, maybe if you stopped being so incredibly arrogant, people might start taking you seriously. Besides, everything you mentioned in your "Big Book of Things that go Boom" was happening 90 stories above the firemen in the video. And don`t give me that old "fireball travelling down the elevator shaft" garbage; this was obviously after the plane had crashed.
Originally posted by petrus4
You nearly had me, here...except for the specific pieces of testimony where witnesses describe themselves being blown backwards. A pancake effect from weakened beams (I still consider the jet fuel element as complete BS, but that is a seperate issue) would cause vertical momentum downwards; not horizontal blasting force.
You need something else to cause that.
Originally posted by GenRadek
Originally posted by Flatcoat
You know, maybe if you stopped being so incredibly arrogant, people might start taking you seriously. Besides, everything you mentioned in your "Big Book of Things that go Boom" was happening 90 stories above the firemen in the video. And don`t give me that old "fireball travelling down the elevator shaft" garbage; this was obviously after the plane had crashed.
Arrogant? What was your first post to me again?
........Let he without sin cast the first stone...........
Maybe then I'll take you seriously.
Ok, so firefighters are describing hearing "explosions" above the firemen. Ok, what is 90 floors above them? 15+ acres of offices burning, with a 767 inside. OMG!! Explosions being heard in that mess?? Seriously, its as if you never heard of explosions happening in a large fire. Your personal incredulity is about as arrogant as it gets. I watched a garage fire occur little more than a year ago. I counted at least four decently LOUD explosions emanate from the garage as it burned. In fact I and a few others warned the firefighters arriving on scene to be careful cause we heard explosions from the garage. I guess there must have been bombs planted inside that garage to make those explosions.
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Originally posted by maxella1
Here's how I would post the same thought;
So one guy said that he felt like he was stepping over people, but didn't actually see what he was stepping over in WTC 7, and now he is unfortunately deceased. RIP. The only other person that we know of that was there with him doesn't remember stepping over anything. Then the whole building is destroyed.
How can anybody know for sure what he was talking about?
And I would just omit the “moron” part because it's just rude.
Sorry, but you do have to be pretty thick (or have an agenda) to believe the statement of one guy when it contradicts every other witness and source. A statement that he eventually retracted!
Your characterisation of the "same thought" is ridiculously biased. You leave out the fact that Jennings retracted what he said. And you introduce his death, years later, presumably in order to inject some kind of suspicion. You also choose to ommit the total lack of supporting evidence for dead bodies: no family members coming forward, a report of a total evacuation from the fire teams. Not to mention how illogical the notion is anyway - do you really think they evacuated the building but some people stayed behind (there is zero evidence for this) and they were all killed when the bombs went off?
The whole idea of the 'dead bodies' is based on one statement from one guy which he later said was wrong. Why on earth would anyone but a fool continue to believe it?edit on 22-4-2012 by TrickoftheShade because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by maxella1
Really? That's your response? LOL
Talk about zero reading comprehension...
Why don't you read it again, a little slower this time..
Originally posted by maxella1
Here's how I would post the same thought;
So one guy said that he felt like he was stepping over people, but didn't actually see what he was stepping over in WTC 7, and now he is unfortunately deceased. RIP.
The only other person that we know of that was there with him doesn't remember stepping over anything. Then the whole building is destroyed.
How can anybody know for sure what he was talking about?
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
Just in case your reading comprehension is lacking, let me explain..
In the video where Barry Jennings retracts his statement he actually says “it felt like I was stepping over people, I never saw them”. I introduced his death to point out that it is impossible to ask him what he was talking about..
Every word in my characterization of the "same thought" is based on facts.
And the only thing I was trying to point out is that you “debunkers are exactly what you call truthers” a bunch of liars.
You don't know what Barry Jennings was talking about because he never specified what he was stepping over. He simply said “it felt like I was stepping over people, I didn’t see them”m, and because he is no longer alive, Hess doesn't not remember stepping over anything at all, and we don't know who the firemen are. We will never find out..
Get it?
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
Just in case your reading comprehension is lacking, let me explain..
In the video where Barry Jennings retracts his statement he actually says “it felt like I was stepping over people, I never saw them”. I introduced his death to point out that it is impossible to ask him what he was talking about..
Every word in my characterization of the "same thought" is based on facts.
And the only thing I was trying to point out is that you “debunkers are exactly what you call truthers” a bunch of liars.
You don't know what Barry Jennings was talking about because he never specified what he was stepping over. He simply said “it felt like I was stepping over people, I didn’t see them”m, and because he is no longer alive, Hess doesn't not remember stepping over anything at all, and we don't know who the firemen are. We will never find out..
Get it?
I get that you're seemingly desperate to believe that people died at WTC 7 based upon a guy saying he didn't see any bodies and no other evidence. Why that would be I have absolutely no idea.
I note that you're backtracking in order to pretend that what you meant is that it's impossible to know whether there were bodies. It's not really. Or at least not to any standard of reasonable doubt. You just want to be able to keep this in the Truther column marked "stuff that is kinda weird/doesn't add up about 9/11".
You just want to be able to keep this in the Truther column marked "stuff that is kinda weird/doesn't add up about 9/11".